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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • #3272
    niamh247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    irishblessing wrote: »
    This whole situation is insane. Will there a be a strike so, since there is no information as to what is going to be specifically provided/conceded on?

    We are agonising over sending the kids back tomorrow. I can keep them home with me, I can manage the schoolwork with them, it's not ideal of course. But I don't know how to send them in consciously knowing that there's so much mismanagement and concealing happening which compromises all our safety. I just read an article yesterday about the effects of long covid that researches are learning more and more about. Covid causes the immune system to basically attack itself instead of the virus.
    I don't want to roll the dice with my family's health. :(

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/health/covid-antibodies-autoimmunity.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0X5RzwnaZW2lS0KMUmlEbM6i1ipeCaDGK5ixuX6h-zLmIXIjjLVdXY930

    Several parents are in the same boat, confused and tense. The drop in infections rates now while the schools are closed, appears to indicate that schools were a major factor in rising rates last couple of months.

    Parents are not being given any clarity about why the schools should be open even in Level-5, risking infections and transmissions. The insistence about keeping schools open seems to be not based on enough evidence about transmission. I can write more reasoning, but who listens and who thinks?


  • #3273
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I concede that there is, at the very least, a likelihood that schools have significantly contributed to the second wave of Covid cases. Given that pupils have lost 3 months of tuition, what difference would missing another few weeks have made? I don't see how pupils are benefiting from still going to school when there's a second wave. Wouldn't having the schools closed for 3 weeks (including the mid-term break) have reduced the length of this lockdown by 2 or 3 weeks?


  • #3274
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    political analyst wrote: »
    I concede that there is, at the very least, a likelihood that schools have significantly contributed to the second wave of Covid cases. Given that pupils have lost 3 months of tuition, what difference would missing another few weeks have made? I don't see how pupils are benefiting from still going to school when there's a second wave. Wouldn't having the schools closed for 3 weeks (including the mid-term break) have reduced the length of this lockdown by 2 or 3 weeks?

    It seems obvious schools were kept open mainly for economic reasons.

    The government's colours are well and truly nailed to the mast on this, even going so far as to appear to move the goalposts specifically for schools regarding restrictions and testing criteria, compared to the rest of society.


  • #3275
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    niamh247 wrote: »
    The drop in infections rates now while the schools are closed, appears to indicate that schools were a major factor in rising rates last couple of months.


    It does not indicate it since change in infection rate is delayed for 1 week or more from triggering factor. If yesterday's rate will remain on approximately same level over few nearest days, we could guess this is related to schools closure. But to prove this scientific investigation will be required.


  • #3276
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Blondini wrote: »
    It seems obvious schools were kept open mainly for economic reasons.

    The government's colours are well and truly nailed to the mast on this, even going so far as to appear to move the goalposts specifically for schools regarding restrictions and testing criteria, compared to the rest of society.

    What are those economic reasons?


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  • #3277
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    That is a serious accusation.

    Is there any evidence - as opposed to hyperbole - to support your claim?
    I wish I was you, living in your RTE world. It seems like a nice place.


  • #3278
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    I am just throwing these up for your perusal

    https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1322921080235958289


    https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1322922919366983686


  • #3279
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Glad rte are finally starting to report on reality in schools.

    School in Limerick with 1,200 students + 167 sanitizers to empty, wash + refill(thats if they can even get the new sanitizer in time) with 3 days notice over the weekend during the midterm.

    Disgraceful.


  • #3280
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    political analyst wrote: »
    What are those economic reasons?

    Working parents need schools open to enable them to go to work to keep the economy flowing.


  • #3281
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    Blondini wrote: »
    Working parents need schools open to enable them to go to work to keep the economy flowing.


    Are these parents have so short working day?


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  • #3282
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Thats me wrote: »
    Are these parents have so short working day?

    Sorry, what do you mean?


  • #3283
    j@utis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭j@utis


    Thats me wrote: »
    Are these parents have so short working day?
    You have to pay after school club only (pick-ups and 2-4hrs of minding) as opposed to full-time childcare.


  • #3284
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    khalessi wrote: »
    I am just throwing these up for your perusal

    https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1322921080235958289


    https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1322922919366983686

    Good find.

    From the doctors mouth : "Being designated a close contact means no school, and that has immediate childcare consequences."

    Basically what we have been saying here all along.


  • #3285
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    The truth of what we have been saying for weeks is finally beginning to emerge. Health care professionals just being honest.

    Pity our politicians couldn't just have been honest rather than treating us like plebs who couldn't and/or wouldn't see/understand what was happening right in front of our eyes.


  • #3286
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    When the schools re-opened .... I did the correct thing. Kept my son out of school because he had symptoms. A waste of time. GP didn't care and school demanding to know why he was absent. Now, I have had a bad cold for the last week. I will not be contacting doctors nor schools.


  • #3287
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    j@utis wrote: »
    You have to pay after school club only (pick-ups and 2-4hrs of minding) as opposed to full-time childcare.


    Now i recognise this can be a real scenario. If this is the case then irishblessing were right writing that government lies since they have declared necessity in remaining schools open because education is essential while it is not about education but just a childcare. Also it is unlikely to reach optimal solution while declaring false objectives.


  • #3288
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Scoondal wrote: »
    When the schools re-opened .... I did the correct thing. Kept my son out of school because he had symptoms. A waste of time. GP didn't care and school demanding to know why he was absent. Now, I have had a bad cold for the last week. I will not be contacting doctors nor schools.

    Hello. There is no need to panic, but that would not be the correct protocol. Please see the following guidance document which will explain the correct procedures to follow :

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/472f64-covid-19-coronavirus-guidance-and-advice/


  • #3289
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Now, I have had a bad cold for the last week.


    Any cold is caused by infection. How you managed to get cold while everybody distancing and wearing masks?


  • #3290
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. There is no need to panic, but that would not be the correct protocol. Please see the following guidance document which will explain the correct procedures to follow :

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/472f64-covid-19-coronavirus-guidance-and-advice/

    Hello. I didn't sense any panic from the poster. Frustration maybe, at the ambiguity surrounding the different rules for schools compared with wider society.

    I'm not sure a copy and pasted link will solve this disparity.


  • #3291
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Scoondal wrote: »
    When the schools re-opened .... I did the correct thing. Kept my son out of school because he had symptoms. A waste of time. GP didn't care and school demanding to know why he was absent. Now, I have had a bad cold for the last week. I will not be contacting doctors nor schools.

    I could tell stories about the "health Service" employees who have symtoms or are close contacts that are still expected to work. Why ? ... because without them the service will collapse. One rule for some people, another rule for health service employees. This has not been highlighted in the RTE world.


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  • #3292
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Thats me wrote: »
    It does not indicate it since change in infection rate is delayed for 1 week or more from triggering factor. If yesterday's rate will remain on approximately same level over few nearest days, we could guess this is related to schools closure. But to prove this scientific investigation will be required.

    Actually you couldn't because level 5 restrictions were so close to school closing. If schools are significant factor the numbers might increase or fall less in two weeks time.

    Anyway the numbers are falling so it's perfectly fine to bring kids back. It just proves that those who left kids in school when rate was 1200 per day and are keeping them home at 550 are not exactly the smartest.


  • #3293
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Just to clarify ...

    Are some posters (eg Irishblessing) saying that the government and RTE are deliberately lying about COVID figures and presenting fraudulent information to Irish citizens? If so, this is a very serious accusation that will have to be backed up by proof (sorry Irishblessing, proof does not include anonymous posts on Facebook or Boards).


  • #3294
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Just to clarify ...

    Are some posters (eg Irishblessing) saying that the government and RTE are deliberately lying about COVID figures and presenting fraudulent information to Irish citizens? If so, this is a very serious accusation that will have to be backed up by proof (sorry Irishblessing, proof does not include anonymous posts on Facebook or Boards).

    Just to clarify are you trying to walk Irish Blessing into saying something that could get her legal difficulties? Issue was dealt with by mods.


  • #3295
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    Just to clarify ...

    Are some posters (eg Irishblessing) saying that the government and RTE are deliberately lying about COVID figures and presenting fraudulent information to Irish citizens? If so, this is a very serious accusation that will have to be backed up by proof (sorry Irishblessing, proof does not include anonymous posts on Facebook or Boards).

    Not every opinion here must be backed up by proof, as a lot of opinions, no matter how ridiculous, are based on personal experience, as I'm sure you well know.


  • #3296
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Blondini wrote: »
    Hello. I didn't sense any panic from the poster. Frustration maybe, at the ambiguity surrounding the different rules for schools compared with wider society.

    I'm not sure a copy and pasted link will solve this disparity.

    Why wouldn't there be different rules if positivity rate in schools is lower? That just means we do the stupid thing and panic where there is no need to panic and neglect areas where stricter measures are needed. We wouldn't want to be irrational in response would we? Or would you take the resources away from where they are needed to increase the resources where they are needed less?


  • #3297
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    irishblessing wrote: »
    MelbourneMan, perhaps you'd like to contribute your opinion, excuse me- facts, on the matter about the government obscuring data and releasing false figures to the Irish people?

    This is crazy stuff to be posting on a public forum.

    You are saying it’s a “fact” that the Irish government are obscuring data and releasing “false figures” to the Irish public. What are you basing this on?


  • #3298
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Blondini wrote: »
    Not every opinion here must be backed up by proof, as a lot of opinions, no matter how ridiculous, are based on personal experience, as I'm sure you well know.

    I’m afraid something like this does have to be backed up by actual facts.


  • #3299
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    khalessi wrote: »
    Just to clarify are you trying to walk Irish Blessing into saying something that could get her legal difficulties? Issue was dealt with by mods.

    Irish Blessing is achieving that all by themselves.


  • #3300
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Why wouldn't there be different rules if positivity rate in schools is lower? That just means we do the stupid thing and panic where there is no need to panic and neglect areas where stricter measures are needed. We wouldn't want to be irrational in response would we? Or would you take the resources away from where they are needed to increase the resources where they are needed less?

    I think I'll refrain from engaging in this particular conversation for obvious reasons.

    Have a nice evening. :)


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  • #3301
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    irishblessing wrote: »
    You've already gone there. And I've already answered you. Why are you asking yet again.

    Is it any crazier than admitting you didn't teach your classroom of children during lockdown and yet took your salary?

    Yes it is crazier. Do you not realize why?

    I’m not trying to catch you out ... but you are effectively accusing named people of fraud. Can you not see the problems that could cause for both you personally and this site?


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