Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

thecomedian · 31-10-2020 06:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Austria the latest country to announce second national lock down. UK following later today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1031/1175138-coronavirus-world/

Good that Ireland got out in front and is suppressing spread now.

Our approach has been spot on.

Apart from going to level 5, which was wrong.

Also I think a huge spike of cases were caused by GAA county championships (celebrations). Just stopping them and staying at level 3 would have done.

charlie14 · 31-10-2020 07:06PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

The “win” I’m referring to is the fact that you and people like you desperately need/want Sweden to have gotten their response wrong and will latch onto ANYTHING that you think proves it. This is not it. No matter how much you want it to be.

I have no wish to see needless deaths anywhere.
There were three strings to the original Swedish March strategy of Giesecke and Tegnell and all have failed as well as people now not even following the recommendations from back then which has resulted in five regions making up the majority of the population now going their own way.
Hopefully that will have an effect in bringing numbers down and preventing deaths.

acequion · 31-10-2020 07:11PM

thecomedian wrote: »

Apart from going to level 5, which was wrong.

Also I think a huge spike of cases were caused by GAA county championships (celebrations). Just stopping them and staying at level 3 would have done.

Careful now!

I got lynched here some time ago for suggesting that it was house parties that led to the spike. Who knows?

On another thread one poster suggested that the spike was caused by too much coming back at the same time in September after being over suppressed for so long. County championships, confirmations, schools reopening, pubs reopening. It makes sense. And it also makes sense that people made up for lost time. Human nature.

And I agree that Level 3 restrictions alone would very likely do the trick. But we don't do anything by halves in this country.:rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 31-10-2020 07:21PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Problem is they were no longer taking that sensible advice which has resulted in such an exponential rise in cases that these regions have now gone a different route.

Look mate, you are wrong. You’ve been proven wrong over and over again. Now your just clogging up the thread trying to prove you aren’t wrong, when you demonstratively are. It’s a waste of everyone’s time, yours writing it, and us reading and laughing at it.

ChikiChiki · 31-10-2020 07:24PM

Ironhead93 wrote: »

I would hope the same, but NPHET seem to have an agenda to ruin the country as much as possible so im not sure they will do that, but they wont be able to extend it past the 6 week mark with these numbers.

No they don't. Look after yourself. Maybe stay off boards for a bit. Can't be good for the mind making such assumptions.

risteard7 · 31-10-2020 07:30PM

Level 3 is working just fine, it's a pity the government hadn't the balls to tell Tony where to go. Unless Hoolahan is ran nothing will change

CalamariFritti · 31-10-2020 07:43PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Level 3 is working just fine, it's a pity the government hadn't the balls to tell Tony where to go. Unless Hoolahan is ran nothing will change

I'm divided on the man.

Half of me thinks he's a manipulator with a god complex and should have been fired three weeks ago.
The other half of me thinks maybe he's just a decent guy with half a brain who realises he has nothing but idiots around him and if he's not looking after business everything will go tits up.

Don't Chute! · 31-10-2020 07:44PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'm divided on the man.

Half of me thinks he's a manipulator with a god complex and should have been fired three weeks ago.
The other half of me thinks maybe he's just a decent guy with half a brain who realises he has nothing but idiots around him and if he's not looking after things all will go tits up.

I know which one I’m going for anyway!

31-10-2020 09:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Austria the latest country to announce second national lock down. UK following later today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1031/1175138-coronavirus-world/

Good that Ireland got out in front and is suppressing spread now.

Our approach has been spot on.

posts like this show how easily the Irish people buy into this nonsense.

Our budget showing a 20 billion deficit.
Record numbers of unemployment.
Lots of viable business have been forced to close the shutters.
The longest and harshest restrictions in Europe.

We had just over 400 cases today. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Government have done little to nothing to increase capacity.

Easier to force people out of work and cancel Halloween on the kids than try actually manage.

Hopefully the lenders tell us to get f*cked soon.

31-10-2020 09:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

posts like this show how easily the Irish people buy into this nonsense.

Our budget showing a 20 billion deficit.
Record numbers of unemployment.
Lots of viable business have been forced to close the shutters.
The longest and harshest restrictions in Europe.

We had just over 400 cases today. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Government have done little to nothing to increase capacity.

Easier to force people out of work and cancel Halloween on the kids than try actually manage.

Hopefully the lenders tell us to get f*cked soon
[/QUOTE 100% its only when the cookie jar is empty that we will have to make the correct decisions..

bucketybuck · 31-10-2020 09:19PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'm divided on the man.

Half of me thinks he's a manipulator with a god complex and should have been fired three weeks ago.
The other half of me thinks maybe he's just a decent guy with half a brain who realises he has nothing but idiots around him and if he's not looking after business everything will go tits up.

3 weeks ago?

I doubt Vicky Phelan would agree with that.

acequion · 31-10-2020 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

posts like this show how easily the Irish people buy into this nonsense.

Our budget showing a 20 billion deficit.
Record numbers of unemployment.
Lots of viable business have been forced to close the shutters.
The longest and harshest restrictions in Europe.

We had just over 400 cases today. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Government have done little to nothing to increase capacity.

Easier to force people out of work and cancel Halloween on the kids than try actually manage.

Hopefully the lenders tell us to get f*cked soon.

I really wish the lenders would tell us to get "****ed"

When we went into austerity we were told tough lenders won't entertain us, we've lost our triple A status and we have to reign in our budget with massive cuts, remember that?? Now suddenly there's a golden trough. Enabling FF to do what they always do, throw borrowed money around. And where are the fiscal rectifiers, FG, the sensible Paschal and all that?

The worst thing that happened this country this year was actually not Covid, bad as it is, but the election which forced the worst coalition ever on us. A bunch of people with nothing in common and who just can't get along. And so they go hide behind the likes of NPET and Holohan. Go figure!

The optimist in me tells me we're not totally ****ed but only the optimist!

JRant · 31-10-2020 11:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Austria the latest country to announce second national lock down. UK following later today.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1031/1175138-coronavirus-world/

Good that Ireland got out in front and is suppressing spread now.

Our approach has been spot on.

Oh yeah, 100's of thousands out of work and countless businesses and lives destroyed.
Spot on indeed.

patnor1011 · 31-10-2020 11:07PM

acequion wrote: »

I really wish the lenders would tell us to get "****ed"

When we went into austerity we were told tough lenders won't entertain us, we've lost our triple A status and we have to reign in our budget with massive cuts, remember that?? Now suddenly there's a golden trough. Enabling FF to do what they always do, throw borrowed money around. And where are the fiscal rectifiers, FG, the sensible Paschal and all that?

The worst thing that happened this country this year was actually not Covid, bad as it is, but the election which forced the worst coalition ever on us. A bunch of people with nothing in common and who just can't get along. And so they go hide behind the likes of NPET and Holohan. Go figure!

The optimist in me tells me we're not totally ****ed but only the optimist!

And why wouldn't they entertain us? The money we borrow are conjured out of thin air. The amount is so huge there is no chance to repay it. Then we will see how we will lose real things as repayment of this debt as state still "own" quite a lot of interesting things. These will be taken as "repayment of the debt".

JRant · 31-10-2020 11:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

posts like this show how easily the Irish people buy into this nonsense.

Our budget showing a 20 billion deficit.
Record numbers of unemployment.
Lots of viable business have been forced to close the shutters.
The longest and harshest restrictions in Europe.

We had just over 400 cases today. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Government have done little to nothing to increase capacity.

Easier to force people out of work and cancel Halloween on the kids than try actually manage.

Hopefully the lenders tell us to get f*cked soon.

This would have been almost fully through week 3 in level 3. The results are showing it was working. We have been repeatedly told it's far too soon for any results of level 5 to be seen. Another 4.5 weeks of this gick would be almost criminal.

bush · 31-10-2020 11:32PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I hate the "virus doesn't care about X" rhetoric. Is it just me?

The virus doesn't care if NPHT are concerned

amandstu · 01-11-2020 01:34AM

Did I something to the effect that if you were walking from home you could go more than the 5 kilometres (If it was the one round trip,presumably)?

Or did I get that badly garbled?

Thought I heard that when the Level 5 restrictions came in last week...

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 01:53AM

amandstu wrote: »

Did I something to the effect that if you were walking from home you could go more than the 5 kilometres (If it was the one round trip,presumably)?

Or did I get that badly garbled?

Thought I heard that when the Level 5 restrictions came in last week...

There's a 5km radius so you could feasibly walk for as far as you wanted within the 5km.

amandstu · 01-11-2020 02:48AM

Penfailed wrote: »

There's a 5km radius so you could feasibly walk for as far as you wanted within the 5km.

Maybe that is what I heard.

So it would go against the restrictions to cycle out ,say to a distance of 8k?(I have heard of people doing this and I wasn't sure if it came under this reading or whether it was just someone pushing the envelope.)

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 03:50AM

amandstu wrote: »

Maybe that is what I heard.

So it would go against the restrictions to cycle out ,say to a distance of 8k?(I have heard of people doing this and I wasn't sure if it came under this reading or whether it was just someone pushing the envelope.)

Yes...if the 8k is outside the 5km radius.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-11-2020 04:20AM

JRant wrote: »

Oh yeah, 100's of thousands out of work and countless businesses and lives destroyed.
Spot on indeed.

Inevitable. The world is in the middle of a pandemic where national govt choices are not that relevant when it comes to economic disruption and job losses. This occurs regardless. Only control of the virus can allow economic gains ie South Korea.

Without this control it will be rolling lockdowns for the next two years.

patnor1011 · 01-11-2020 04:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Inevitable. The world is in the middle of a pandemic where national govt choices are not that relevant when it comes to economic disruption and job losses. This occurs regardless. Only control of the virus can allow economic gains ie South Korea.

Without this control it will be rolling lockdowns for the next two years.

Control of the virus?
LOL. God complex?

Very little things can be controlled. Virus ain't one of them.

3xh · 01-11-2020 07:10AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes...if the 8k is outside the 5km radius.

Just to really nail this deliberately confusing limit down for those interested;

The 5km boundary refers to exercise. Only.

You can be >5km from your residence, cycling on a bike, for the purposes of any one of those myriad of exemptions, like visiting graves, buying animal feed, buying food, bike parts, etc etc.

The question is more; would a guard stop you on your push bike and ask where is your residence and are you cycling for exercise or cycling to engage in one of the exemptions.

SI 448 of 2020 is worth a read.

Quantum Erasure · 01-11-2020 07:44AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes...if the 8k is outside the 5km radius.

Reminds me of a story I heard once. Stranger cycling on a country road, meets a local, stops and asks him 'how far is town?'
Local lad says 'three miles over that direction, as the crow flies'
Stranger looks down, and says '...well, what if the crow had a bike?'

CruelSummer · 01-11-2020 09:23AM

Things are looking ominous in Europe...each country falling back into lockdown as the week progresses.
I read an article re SAGE advice in the U.K. & unlike NPHET here - their forecasting models seem to be more available to the media than ours were from NPHET. They seem to be showing greatly exaggerated outcomes - almost to justify the lockdown.
The only senior politician who stood up to NPHET & lockdowns publicly - Leo, has been under constant attack in the media since. Now a GP contract impropriety - that the rest of them all do as par for the course. Who drives these agendas when we need politicians taking measures decisions and not hysterical NPHET tunnel vision ones.

Pictures from the U.K. last night...we didn’t have this level of socialising all summer, never mind now:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8901451/Coronavirus-UK-Revellers-Newcastle-Soho-mark-Halloween.html

Golfman64 · 01-11-2020 09:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

posts like this show how easily the Irish people buy into this nonsense.

Our budget showing a 20 billion deficit.
Record numbers of unemployment.
Lots of viable business have been forced to close the shutters.
The longest and harshest restrictions in Europe.

We had just over 400 cases today. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Government have done little to nothing to increase capacity.

Easier to force people out of work and cancel Halloween on the kids than try actually manage.

Hopefully the lenders tell us to get f*cked soon.

I made the point on here a number of weeks ago after Level 3 + House visit restrictions were introduced that the government should wait 2/3 weeks and see the affect this would have in case numbers. Now, as this seems to be working well given our significant decrease in cases and stabilisation of hospital figures, the additional cost (+€1 billion) to the exchequer of moving from 3+ to 5 would seem to be a very expensive mistake, in my opinion.

Maybe i am in the minority and the €1 billion additional cost is more acceptable that the risk of waiting 2/3 weeks for Level 3+ results to manifest themselves but we certainly can’t continue with these type of costly mistakes if we are to assume that COVID is here for another few years, in my view.

Stormyteacup · 01-11-2020 09:53AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Things are looking ominous in Europe...each country falling back into lockdown as the week progresses.
I read an article re SAGE advice in the U.K. & unlike NPHET here - their forecasting models seem to be more available to the media than ours were from NPHET. They seem to be showing greatly exaggerated outcomes - almost to justify the lockdown.
The only senior politician who stood up to NPHET & lockdowns publicly - Leo, has been under constant attack in the media since. Now a GP contract impropriety - that the rest of them all do as par for the course. Who drives these agendas when we need politicians taking measures decisions and not hysterical NPHET tunnel vision ones.

Pictures from the U.K. last night...we didn’t have this level of socialising all summer, never mind now:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8901451/Coronavirus-UK-Revellers-Newcastle-Soho-mark-Halloween.html

I don’t feel it’s ominous (first time round was seriously ominous!) - there seems to be a pragmatic response to increased infections while acknowledging death rate is nothing like first time round.

Goal is to protect each counties health service. Message is that health services will become overloaded on current trajectory and action is taken accordingly to protect them.

By some of the reactions in this country you’d be led to believe rest of Europe were caught with their pants down. Each country is monitoring closely the strain on their health services and will make the call for a short lockdown to relieve pressure.

The idea that the Irish government are the only ones in Europe with their eye on the ball is ridiculous.

As before, this time round other counties in Europe will have shorter lockdowns and will relax their restrictions more quickly than us.

NHPET and our government will continue to paint this virus as a deadly pandemic and try keep fear factor to a maximum as long as possible to avoid admitting to the public that the only reason we can never come out of lockdown is because our bed capacity is severely below par, and not much has been done about it.

MelbourneMan · 01-11-2020 10:06AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

By some of the reactions in this country you’d be led to believe rest of Europe were caught with their pants down. Each country is monitoring closely the strain on their health services and will make the call for a short lockdown to relieve pressure.

Hello. I would class this statement as somewhat true.
But it is also worth noting that the timeing and level of Irish responses has been very good, and probably better than many other countries. Those with blowhard leader like the UK are clearly not doing it was competently, as they are always delayed by the bluster and bullish talk that works for them on many topics, but not with virus suppression.
We may also be the first to avoid the 'opening up' mistake committed everywhere in the summer and settle to a steady Level 3 type containment over the next year, acknowledging some sectors must be left mothballed in the long term. Countries with bluffer PMs are likely to still go through the boom and bust type cycles instead. And to their cost.

Thierry12 · 01-11-2020 10:07AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Inevitable. The world is in the middle of a pandemic where national govt choices are not that relevant when it comes to economic disruption and job losses. This occurs regardless. Only control of the virus can allow economic gains ie South Korea.

Without this control it will be rolling lockdowns for the next two years.

2 years haha

Its going to be over very soon, very

Germany have said the most vulnerable will all be vaccinated by end of December

Once thats done know one is gonna give a **** anymore

Watch the UK vaccinate all the vulnerable in December

Wont be another lockdown after that

This is the peak

Enjoy it Kermit

CruelSummer · 01-11-2020 10:30AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I don’t feel it’s ominous (first time round was seriously ominous!) - there seems to be a pragmatic response to increased infections while acknowledging death rate is nothing like first time round.

Goal is to protect each counties health service. Message is that health services will become overloaded on current trajectory and action is taken accordingly to protect them.

By some of the reactions in this country you’d be led to believe rest of Europe were caught with their pants down. Each country is monitoring closely the strain on their health services and will make the call for a short lockdown to relieve pressure.

The idea that the Irish government are the only ones in Europe with their eye on the ball is ridiculous.

As before, this time round other counties in Europe will have shorter lockdowns and will relax their restrictions more quickly than us.

NHPET and our government will continue to paint this virus as a deadly pandemic and try keep fear factor to a maximum as long as possible to avoid admitting to the public that the only reason we can never come out of lockdown is because our bed capacity is severely below par, and not much has been done about it.

Good post, the elephant in the room is our healthcare system. I heard a member of NPHET or the HSE recently saying they don’t want the virus circulating here to ‘get to the level’ where we need to worry about hospital capacity. I had to double take, a now endemic virus which will continue to circulate as long as we continue to exist...we are in no mans land re a way forward.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings