Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Smacruairi · 30-10-2020 05:15PM

Blondini wrote: »

Standards of teacher slating has really gone to the dogs around here.

Where's Fringey and Marko and all that gang. They had some scruples.

Who was the guy with the marquees. I genuinely can't remember now.

Blondini · 30-10-2020 05:17PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Who was the guy with the marquees. I genuinely can't remember now.

Alrightttythen or something. Mr copy and paste. I believe he's now back as an Ozzie!

Theboinkmaster · 30-10-2020 05:18PM

s1ippy wrote: »

They closed last Friday, which makes it a week today by my estimate. Given the fact that it takes a 5 days to show symptoms, people who would have been contracting it the Monday just gone weren't, thus reducing the positivity rate coming into this weekend.

5 days to show symptoms after catching it. It can take up to 10-14 days to show symptoms.

Anyone who thinks the positivity rate is declining this week due mid-term is absolutely delusional.

The positivity rate is down due to household ban/level 3/enforcement and talk of moving to level 5 - all happened 2-3 weeks ago.

Theboinkmaster · 30-10-2020 05:20PM

Case numbers are dropping, positivity rate down, R is down.

Lads the schools are staying open. Get over it.

eagle eye · 30-10-2020 05:22PM

Theboinkmaster wrote:

Case numbers are dropping, positivity rate down, R is down.

And this all happening while the schools are closed.

blanch152 · 30-10-2020 05:25PM

Thats me wrote: »

Does not common sesnse also telling on highest level of lockdown schools should be closed and education provided remotely?

Science recently told me that children are likely super-spreaders of the infection, that superspreaders are responsible for 80% of cases and schools adding 24% to R.

What science said to you, blanch152? Do you refer some undefined "overwhelming evidence"?

There is more than one leap in logic in your post.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

"Data gathered worldwide are increasingly suggesting that schools are not hot spots for coronavirus infections, according to an article in the leading science journal Nature.

In conclusions that tally with evidence presented by the Health Service Executive in relation to schools in Ireland, the Nature article finds that despite fears, Covid-19 infections have not surged as a result of the reopening of schools and childcare centres.

It says the international evidence also shows that when outbreaks do occur, they mostly result in only a small number of people becoming ill.

This again corresponds with HSE findings that in the relatively rare cases where transmission is believed to have occurred in a school setting, the average number of people infected is just three."

Only published yesterday in Nature, so you may have missed it. Glad to help you keep up.

khalessi · 30-10-2020 05:26PM

blanch152 wrote: »

There is more than one leap in logic in your post.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

"Data gathered worldwide are increasingly suggesting that schools are not hot spots for coronavirus infections, according to an article in the leading science journal Nature.

In conclusions that tally with evidence presented by the Health Service Executive in relation to schools in Ireland, the Nature article finds that despite fears, Covid-19 infections have not surged as a result of the reopening of schools and childcare centres.

It says the international evidence also shows that when outbreaks do occur, they mostly result in only a small number of people becoming ill.

This again corresponds with HSE findings that in the relatively rare cases where transmission is believed to have occurred in a school setting, the average number of people infected is just three."

Only published yesterday in Nature, so you may have missed it. Glad to help you keep up.

Is that the new age mag, have you a link, thank you

meeeeh · 30-10-2020 05:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And this all happening while the schools are closed.

Surely this is just trolling, nobody can be that ignorant after months of discussions on delayed effects of restrictions.

Theboinkmaster · 30-10-2020 05:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And this all happening while the schools are closed.

ah jaysus - if you think kids not being in school on a monday impacts the case numbers/R rate/test positivity rate 4 days later you are an idiot.

By that logic on Friday 6 November we are going to start seeing all 3 of those increase HAHA not a chance.

Thats me · 30-10-2020 05:29PM

blanch152 wrote: »

"Data gathered worldwide are increasingly suggesting that schools are not hot spots for coronavirus infections bla-bla-blah"

Same telling our "overwhelming evidence"

meeeeh · 30-10-2020 05:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

Is that the new age mag, have you a link, thank you

I quoted one from German researchers yesterday saying the infections even dropped in some regions when schools opened. But that was probably voodoo right?

The only reliable information is on Facebook.

khalessi · 30-10-2020 05:32PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I quoted one from German researchers yesterday saying the infections even dropped in some regions when schools opened. But that was probably voodoo right?

The only reliable information is on Facebook.

Actually I asked for that link and the NOrwegian one and you never gave it to me. And no need for snide comments as a nurse I look at all information thank you so wind your head in. Please send them on. The good thing about them being European is the HSE might read them

Thats me · 30-10-2020 05:32PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

my primary school has 700+ kids in it and not a single case in 8 weeks.

How you know? All of them were tested?

blanch152 · 30-10-2020 05:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

Is that the new age mag, have you a link, thank you

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02973-3

"“There’s no such thing as zero transmission or zero risk,” says Russell. But the risk of infection at school is low, especially when community transmission is low, she says."

Schools should be the last thing to close, other than hospitals.

Theboinkmaster · 30-10-2020 05:35PM

Thats me wrote: »

How you know? All of them were tested?

Because i drop my son in every day for 8 weeks and all the kids and staff are happy and healthy.

That's good enough for me.

blanch152 · 30-10-2020 05:35PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I quoted one from German researchers yesterday saying the infections even dropped in some regions when schools opened. But that was probably voodoo right?

The only reliable information is on Facebook.

And it's a Facebook page that reports the real truth that the Government is trying to hide from you.

meeeeh · 30-10-2020 05:44PM

khalessi wrote: »

Actually I asked for that link and the NOrwegian one and you never gave it to me. And no need for snide comments as a nurse I look at all information thank you so wind your head in. Please send them on. The good thing about them being European is the HSE might read them

The link is in article I posted the link to but it's in Norwegian. Quick Google translate says that there is little transmission in schools even high schools and most transmission is outside.

MerlinSouthDub · 30-10-2020 05:52PM

s1ippy wrote: »

They closed last Friday, which makes it a week today by my estimate. Given the fact that it takes a 5 days to show symptoms, people who would have been contracting it the Monday just gone weren't, thus reducing the positivity rate coming into this weekend.

Swab numbers today are tests processed yesterday, likely referred for a test a day or two before that. Any impact of schools being closed would not be in the data yet (and, in any case, would be muddled up with the impact of the Level 5 restrictions).

Our + rate has been falling steadily for the past 12 days. Our + rate is 75% lower than Northern Ireland's. I know where I'd rather be living right now.

wirelessdude01 · 30-10-2020 05:54PM

Blondini wrote: »

Standard of teacher slating has really gone to the dogs around here.

Where's Fringey and Marko and all that gang. They had some scruples.

And the aul 'gal' teacher as well who seemed to despise teaching despite being one.

irishblessing · 30-10-2020 06:01PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

yeah common sense - my primary school has 700+ kids in it and not a single case in 8 weeks.

all my friends are the same - zero cases in their own kids schools.

100% the primary schools should stay open.

That you know of. Are you the principal, or do you have access to absence records and the reason why? Some parents don't inform the schools, and some principals don't inform the teachers.
And also is it not possible some kids had it, were asymptomatic and spread it to someone else who brought it home - and probably more than likely classified as a community source due to asymptomatic spread of which children are more likely to have?

I can't see how you can say with any definitiveness that your school didn't have a single case.

khalessi · 30-10-2020 06:12PM

meeeeh wrote: »

The link is in article I posted the link to but it's in Norwegian. Quick Google translate says that there is little transmission in schools even high schools and most transmission is outside.

Thanks for making it easy to find, and thanks for the apology on the judgemental snide remark.

irishblessing · 30-10-2020 06:14PM

meeeeh wrote: »

The link is in article I posted the link to but it's in Norwegian. Quick Google translate says that there is little transmission in schools even high schools and most transmission is outside.

Would you say that the Irish government's economic agenda to keep the schools open at any cost is a unique one?

meeeeh · 30-10-2020 06:16PM

khalessi wrote: »

Thanks for making it easy to find, and thanks for the apology on the judgemental snide remark.

You're welcome.

irishblessing · 30-10-2020 06:17PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Because i drop my son in every day for 8 weeks and all the kids and staff are happy and healthy.

That's good enough for me.

I drop my kids in every day and I don't see any other teachers but one and even less of the whole student population as times are staggered. I also don't roll call each and determine who is missing from drop-offs. You do?

meeeeh · 30-10-2020 06:19PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Would you say that the Irish government's economic agenda to keep the schools open at any cost is a unique one?

Not unique. Unlike Northern Ireland (where SF is in power) who value shopping centres more than kid's education there are countries like Ireland, Germany, France who will close schools as a last resort.

Blondini · 30-10-2020 06:19PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Case numbers are dropping, positivity rate down, R is down.

Lads the schools are staying open. Get over it.

Name one poster here who wants them closed?

What a bizarre and vacuous post.

Odd, to say the least. Very odd.

Blondini · 30-10-2020 06:21PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

And the aul 'gal' teacher as well who seemed to despise teaching despite being one.

Halcyon days indeed my friend.

khalessi · 30-10-2020 06:33PM

Blondini wrote: »

Halcyon days indeed my friend.

I sometimes wonder which reregs they are but then I realise that they dont realise that we read research too as it suits the narrow beliefs in their heads that all teachers do is look at FB instead they are just here to post snide remarks and complain no one is asking for their research.

Thanks Irish for pointing me to the article, I appreciate it.

30-10-2020 06:37PM

Well I for one think teachers do a great job, and in my experience, having kids in school, are diligent, innovative in how they are dealing with the changes in school and above all full of integrity. It is the facts being peddled on the thread not the profession I have an issue with

khalessi · 30-10-2020 06:44PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02973-3

"“There’s no such thing as zero transmission or zero risk,” says Russell. But the risk of infection at school is low, especially when community transmission is low, she says."

Schools should be the last thing to close, other than hospitals.

Blanch for someone who claims the "higher scientific ground" you presented an article with probably in its title. It then goes onto say " In an analysis5 of German schools, Haas’s team found that infections were less common in children aged 6–10 years than in older children and adults working at the schools."

This is nothing new, It has been said that 0-5 carry more infection in nose that adults but spread is unknown. Meanwhile teachers have always stated the 10years upwards, which is 4th class up, corroborated by above .

But “we don’t actually understand the natural history of transmission in children, because we mitigate against it”, says paediatrician Fiona Russell at the University of Melbourne, Australia, who was involved in the Victoria school-outbreaks study. Children aren’t in a typical school environment — instead, they’re social distancing, wearing masks and following other precautions.

This is also from the article. The difference here is that there is no social distancing in schools, there is not masks in primary, and there is also no proper testing.

This is mainly a rip off of the South Korean study, especially the last paragraph, " Why young children seem less likely to spread the new coronavirus to others is unclear, says Haas. One possibility is that because they have smaller lungs, they are less able to project infectious aerosols than are
adults"

It is a pretty article but if you had read the South Korean study you would have spotted the similarities. I can recommend an actual study from India which doesn'r have probably in the title.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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