Schools closed until February? (part 3)

khalessi · 28-10-2020 10:05PM

froog wrote: »

pausing the app would be essential for situations like locker rooms where employees all store their phones together while they work. various manufacturing environments where phones are not allowed.

Or to stop 30 teachers being alerted that they have come in close contact with someone covid +ve.

Strange that it has only become an issue since the above occured. BTw HCWs dont store their phones together while they work.

thomas 123 · 28-10-2020 10:06PM

froog wrote: »

pausing the app would be essential for situations like locker rooms where employees all store their phones together while they work. various manufacturing environments where phones are not allowed. or basically anytime you leave your phone unattended.

Please explain how that would be essential?

If it was essential would it not be a case of turning the phone off or turning off Bluetooth.

As someone working in IT it seems like a redundant feature to me and you would think the HSE would be interested in sourcing potential close contacts even if it occurred while the phone was in a locker.

thomas 123 · 28-10-2020 10:08PM

To add I would say its actually totally counterproductive to the assumed purpose of the app.

Dickie10 · 28-10-2020 10:10PM

seems madness to open schools next week just as numbers are tumbling? i think this shows th amount of cases in schools, surely leave them shut for next fortnight and make up the 2 weeks in late May into June when perhaps no danger and vaccine got. why the panic, put the LC back to late June.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-10-2020 10:21PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

seems madness to open schools next week just as numbers are tumbling? i think this shows th amount of cases in schools, surely leave them shut for next fortnight and make up the 2 weeks in late May into June when perhaps no danger and vaccine got. why the panic, put the LC back to late June.

No you're 100% wrong.

And I'm not bothered explaining why.

Tiresome.

Blondini · 28-10-2020 10:32PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This thread has shown how many very prolific posters in here have absolutely no clue what actually goes on in schools. Making assumptions to get a point across.

The ignorance is entertaining.

For example, I myself am an expert on dentistry because I've been to the dentist many times you see!

wirelessdude01 · 28-10-2020 10:34PM

Blondini wrote: »

The ignorance is entertaining.

For example, I myself am an expert on dentistry because I've been to the dentist many times you see!

My new specialism are sofas seeing as I've been sitting on them sooooo much over the past while while not in school.

Dickie10 · 28-10-2020 10:42PM

ok so what exactly is so very very wrong about an extra week off as holiday and a week or two of remote teaching. ? weather is vastly different to the heatwave in april and may kids wont be as hard to corrall at home these days. dont see why we shouldnt try at least,

Jinglejangle69 · 28-10-2020 10:45PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

ok so what exactly is so very very wrong about an extra week off as holiday and a week or two of remote teaching. ? weather is vastly different to the heatwave in april and may kids wont be as hard to corrall at home these days. dont see why we shouldnt try at least,

Huh?

suicide_circus · 28-10-2020 10:46PM

khalessi wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaireLineen/status/1321516245276151815

RTE taking more notice of discrepencies in numbers

Ok with these cases and schools around europe starting to close can folks stop with the nonsense that schools are not a source of transmission please? How in the name of god would they NOT be a source of transmission?? Hundreds of kids in a building 5 days a week all giving eachother wet willies.

awec · 28-10-2020 10:48PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Months off on full pay and now threatening to strike after a few weeks back?

I almost hope they go ahead with this.

They'll be on for some shock at the public reaction to such a tone-deaf move.

Teachers should be ashamed of their union - and of themselves if they support this.

They hardly care what the public think. Full salary whether they're stuck at home or not. No PUP worries for teachers.

byhookorbycrook · 28-10-2020 10:48PM

Anne1984 wrote: »

Has anyone addressed what teachers are doing on their lunch break? Two schools in north county Dublin where large numbers of staff had to self isolate as close contacts of a teacher who had covid. One school had to close the other had to only take in 5th and 6th years.

Surely they are not all in the staff rooms together? Having lunch on their own in a classroom is surely the bare minimum safety requirement that should be followed!?

Because of staggered breaks and extra supervision and carving up a space to create a second lunch space , there are never more than 6 staff at lunch in our school . The question is moot , though , when you have 30 unmasked 11 year olds in a room with a teacher for 5 hours.

Nonoperational · 28-10-2020 10:52PM

khalessi wrote: »

Ok this example I have given a few times here. Firstly teachers are not considered close contacts of children who test positive despite spending all day with them. In secondary students wearing masks and in primary they are not.
Teachers have been told due to teachers wearing masks and students they will not be considered close contacts.

In healthcare, staff considered close contact despite both wearing masks.

Anyhow few weeks ago I spent 1 hour 2 days running, sitting either side of a desk, with a student who didnt have a mask who tested positive, I was told I was not a close contact and no test.

Meanwhile, my sister came in contact with a doctor, both wearing masks, and in my sisters words at least 2m apart. She got tested 3 times in 7 days all negative tg. SHe stood at door speaking to doctor.

Contact tracing was carried out on doctor, no contact tracing on student as despite being around 28 students, 2 teachers and an SNA, there were no close contacts.

There have been lots of examples of teachers not being classed as close contacts, such as the 30 teachers in Drogheda who were aleerted via the app and then told to ignore it.

There have been various posts where teachers are not provided PPE, they have had to buy their own. Some SNAs throughout the country had to get onto Forsa as they were given no PPE despite working in close contact with students.

That must be a private facility or your sister told you half the story. As someone who has been in contact with many covid positive patients and indeed colleagues, you are deemed a close contact only if you fit the close contact criteria. Otherwise you're a casual contact and you continue to work, without being tested.

wirelessdude01 · 28-10-2020 10:53PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Because of staggered breaks and extra supervision and carving up a space to create a second lunch space , there are never more than 6 staff at lunch in our school . The question is moot , though , when you have 30 unmasked 11 year olds in a room with a teacher for 5 hours.

Same story in ours. No more than 5 at any one time. Staggered breaks are a necessary evil but boy have they ripped the heart out of the school. There is half the staff I no longer see as staffroom is out of bounds before and after school and not on same break as them. Socially distant conversations across a room are a pain in the behind.

Lucylou2020 · 28-10-2020 10:58PM

khalessi wrote: »

Or to stop 30 teachers being alerted that they have come in close contact with someone covid +ve.

Strange that it has only become an issue since the above occured. BTw HCWs dont store their phones together while they work.

Neither do primary school teachers store their phones together. Interesting general assumptions that some people make

Lucylou2020 · 28-10-2020 11:08PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Because of staggered breaks and extra supervision and carving up a space to create a second lunch space , there are never more than 6 staff at lunch in our school . The question is moot , though , when you have 30 unmasked 11 year olds in a room with a teacher for 5 hours.

Ah....but "children are not SUPPOSED to be as contagious"!!!

28-10-2020 11:14PM

Meanwhile in the real world, only 3% of school contacts, remember these are only the very close contacts who because of the poor contact tracing in schools represent worst case for potential exposure, actually test positive as close contacts in schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1028/1174484-irish-schools-covid/

khalessi · 28-10-2020 11:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world, only 3% of school contacts, remember these are only the very close contacts who because of the poor contact tracing in schools represent worst case for potential exposure, actually test positive as close contacts in schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1028/1174484-irish-schools-covid/

Hey raind did you figure out yet why cases in 5-14 year olds are rising? The maybe they got off their parents isnt a solid argument

wirelessdude01 · 28-10-2020 11:18PM

khalessi wrote: »

Hey raind did you figure out yet why cases in 5-14 year olds are rising? The maybe they got off their parents isnt a solid argument

How very convenient comes to mind.

28-10-2020 11:20PM

khalessi wrote: »

Hey raind did you figure out yet why cases in 5-14 year olds are rising? The maybe they got off their parents isnt a solid argument

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or maybe since a route of community transmission was cut off 3 weeks ago with level 3, the family home and school is the the one that remains. People make the mistake that some here believe transmission does not occur in schools. What people actually try to articulate is that schools are not the driver, the problem is caused by what happens in the community. As greater restrictions impact that transmission in the community , there will be a lag on what happens in the schools, and that is what I contend is happening in the data. Its only once the reduced community cases starts to see less children entering schools with the virus, that the rate among schools kids will fall. What this should show is a slower rate of decline in these age groups, followed by the parents age groups, with the decline led by those groups without children

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Icyseanfitz · 28-10-2020 11:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world, only 3% of school contacts, remember these are only the very close contacts who because of the poor contact tracing in schools represent worst case for potential exposure, actually test positive as close contacts in schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1028/1174484-irish-schools-covid/

i thought the rate was 1.7-2.1% and definitely not higher?

Smacruairi · 28-10-2020 11:26PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

i thought the rate was 1.7-2.1% and definitely not higher?

I thought that level 3 restrictions were sufficient, they had played a blinder in Dublin according to raind too.

28-10-2020 11:30PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

i thought the rate was 1.7-2.1% and definitely not higher?

This worst case only contact tracing is still far lower than the broader level.

I am certainly not and never have denied cases can and will occur in schools. My point has always been that this follows what is seen in the communities. And I could still be proven wrong. If in the 10days to 2 weeks following return from midterm cases pick back up with only schools back, well in the absence of any other major change, there can then only be one major driver. It’s not a perfect test case of the theory, but the best we may get

Smacruairi · 28-10-2020 11:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This worst case only contact tracing is still far lower than the broader level.

I am certainly not and never have denied cases can and will occur in schools. My point has always been that this follows what is seen in the communities. And I could still be proven wrong. If in the 10days to 2 weeks following return from midterm cases pick back up with only schools back, well in the absence of any other major change, there can then only be one major driver. It’s not a perfect test case of the theory, but the best we may get

Good to see you start to come around to logical thinking. See you here in a few weeks so, you know I love to quote you, big fan

wirelessdude01 · 28-10-2020 11:32PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

I thought that level 3 restrictions were sufficient, they had played a blinder in Dublin according to raind too.

How many times had peak occurred?

Stabilisation has also occurred many many times.

28-10-2020 11:35PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

I thought that level 3 restrictions were sufficient, they had played a blinder in Dublin according to raind too.

They seemed to, but further data indicated that Dublin is too interconnected with the remainder of the country to succeed at a different level. Earlier on I believed that local restrictions would be sufficient, but this country is so interconnected that large population centres can never be isolated from the rest of the country to the extent than increased restrictions in Dublin or other significant regional population centres can have a sustained effect independent of the rest of the country.

Follow the data, not unconscious bias

28-10-2020 11:38PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Good to see you start to come around to logical thinking. See you here in a few weeks so, you know I love to quote you, big fan

See you on the 14th then:). I will prepare some lovely charts

Smacruairi · 28-10-2020 11:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They seemed to, but further data indicated that Dublin is too interconnected with the remainder of the country the succeed at a different level. Earlier on I believed that local restrictions would be sufficient, but this country is so interconnected that large population centres can never be isolated from the rest of the country to the extent than increased restrictions in Dublin or other significant regional population centres can have a sustained effect independent of the rest of the country.

Follow the data, not unconscious bias

I appreciate you holding your hand up and saying you were wrong, big of you. However, rather than seeing Dublin as inextricably linked to the rest of the country, would you not look at the MASSIVE COMMUNITY LINKS which were within thr County, ie schools.. Go on, I'll see you in a few weeks!

28-10-2020 11:45PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

I appreciate you holding your hand up and saying you were wrong, big of you. However, rather than seeing Dublin as inextricably linked to the rest of the country, would you not look at the MASSIVE COMMUNITY LINKS which were within thr County, ie schools.. Go on, I'll see you in a few weeks!

See it’s not even county level. Galway has had a massive spike but my own local area within Galway is well below the national average. If I could be arsed going through my posting history on this or the preceding thread I may be able to find when I suggested schools should consider temporary closure in the face of large localised spikes, but not on a national level. Back in august I’d say it was

Jinglejangle69 · 29-10-2020 12:43AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Same story in ours. No more than 5 at any one time. Staggered breaks are a necessary evil but boy have they ripped the heart out of the school. There is half the staff I no longer see as staffroom is out of bounds before and after school and not on same break as them. Socially distant conversations across a room are a pain in the behind.

Yep.

Like all workplaces across the country right now.

Pain in the hole but that's life at the moment.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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