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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #6992
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    OwenM wrote: »
    "Largest number of covid patients discharged in a single day since early May"

    ---- Isn't the headline, would be far too positive, not on message, and would displease the Technocrats

    Looking at what is happening in Europe now, the Irish technocrats were right. We look to be escaping the worst of a horrible second wave that is sweeping the continent. There were 2,750 deaths in Europe yesterday. Czech Republic now has the same number of deaths per capita as Italy did in March. The UK government is preparing for 500 deaths per day next month. France had 500+ deaths yesterday.

    Ireland locked down faster and harsher than anyone else in Europe and currently has one of the best outlooks ofr the next few months.


  • #6993
    Icantthinkof1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    After having all of my necessary treatments cancelled for the guts of a year, I'm now awaiting biopsy results on what formed in my body in the waiting time - wouldn't have happened if I'd had the scans, consultations and operation I needed. And now I need more major surgery (had my cancelled one last week).


    And I actually feel LUCKY because I've heard of many far worse off than me. I just feel lucky that because I'm young and otherwise healthy, my biopsies should hopefully come back clear.



    If I was offered covid in return for having my next operation today, I'd take it in a heartbeat even though I fall into the risk category.


    Best of luck, I hope it's just a cyst

    Thanks so much as luck would have it I literally just had a phonecall from the clinic and have an appointment next week.
    I’m so sorry to hear about your treatments being cancelled it must be so scary and upsetting.


  • #6994
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    No travelling home for Christmas will be encouraged according to the wireless.

    They can get absolutely ****ed if they try enforce that.

    Tourists have more rights to travel compared with citizens returning home?


  • #6995
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Goldrickssan wrote: »
    They can get absolutely ****ed if they try enforce that.

    Tourists have more rights to travel compared with citizens returning home?

    How do you enforce encouragement?


  • #6996
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    How do you enforce encouragement?

    "If they try enforce that"


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  • #6997
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    No travelling home for Christmas will be encouraged according to the wireless.

    they can go swing

    I have been nothing but receptive to covid restrictions, encouraged them to a point

    but if the government think I'm spending christmas in the kip that is Dublin they've another thing coming

    Will pay all the 70 fine's they want


  • #6998
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    How do you enforce encouragement?

    They wont. They'll just go through the tried and tested approach of going on and on about it so as to wind up part of the population, who will then ostracise their friends and neighbours who do travel home, creating more division, and thereby discouraging a certain % of people from travelling


  • #6999
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    We have no data on school clusters. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence so we are good.

    https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1321078150722252802?s=20


  • #7000
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    If yes, it is reasonable to assume that what I heard is true.

    It's not reasonable at all.

    It's complete and utter nonsense and whoever told you either has something wrong with them or is winding you up on purpose.

    Or Both.


  • #7001
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Looking at what is happening in Europe now, the Irish technocrats were right. We look to be escaping the worst of a horrible second wave that is sweeping the continent. There were 2,750 deaths in Europe yesterday. Czech Republic now has the same number of deaths per capita as Italy did in March. The UK government is preparing for 500 deaths per day next month. France had 500+ deaths yesterday.

    Ireland locked down faster and harsher than anyone else in Europe and currently has one of the best outlooks ofr the next few months.

    When the effect of level five is yet to feed into the data?

    Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

    NPHET have an asymmetrical risk, no deaths and no economy they smell of roses, funding a health service from 2022-2030 when GDP/GNI is halved will be a 'political concern',


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  • #7002
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Icantthinkof1 wrote: »
    Thanks so much as luck would have it I literally just had a phonecall from the clinic and have an appointment next week.
    I’m so sorry to hear about your treatments being cancelled it must be so scary and upsetting.

    Brilliant, the very best of luck with it, you'll be in my thoughts. Here's hoping it's something minor :)


  • #7003
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Germany considering "Lockdown Light".

    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-lockdown-angela-merkel/a-55412332
    Scientists believe it is likely that next week will see the daily infection rate reach 20,000 people. Barely two weeks ago, when infection rates stood at just over 2,000, Chancellor Merkel had warned that Germany could see 19,000 daily cases by Christmas — and was accused of fearmongering by her critics

    What is it with "critics" and the sudden war on basic maths?


  • #7004
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This could be explained by decrease in construction related injuries, car accidents, sports injuries due to initial lockdown. Correlation does not imply causation. Also, the spinal injury unit is not an ICU.

    I don’t believe that. If 20 were admitted due to suicide in 2019 and 20 were admitted in 2020, there is no point to the article. You don’t believe restrictions = increase in self-harm/suicides so we are going around in circles until the evidence comes out.


  • #7005
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Boggles wrote: »
    Germany considering "Lockdown Light".

    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-lockdown-angela-merkel/a-55412332



    What is it with "critics" and the sudden war on basic maths?

    Whose 'basic maths' have been proven right?

    Epidemiology is not basic maths.


  • #7006
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭quokula


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    How do you enforce encouragement?

    You don't, there will be some people who don't care about anyone else and ignore it, but if even 50% of people are responsible enough to heed the messaging then it will save lives.


  • #7007
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    They wont. They'll just go through the tried and tested approach of going on and on about it so as to wind up part of the population, who will then ostracise their friends and neighbours who do travel home, creating more division, and thereby discouraging a certain % of people from travelling

    Already seeing it here. ;-)
    Got to admire the tactic.
    Look above my comment.


  • #7008
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    OwenM wrote: »
    Whose 'basic maths' have been proven right?

    Epidemiology is not basic maths.

    Well we know whose "basic maths" has been proven wrong and it's not even November.

    Cases rise - Pandemic Denial rises.

    Basic maths.


  • #7009
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Boggles wrote: »
    Well we know whose "basic maths" has been proven wrong and it's not even November.

    Cases rise - Pandemic Denial rises.

    Basic maths.

    So no examples then?


  • #7010
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    they can go swing

    I have been nothing but receptive to covid restrictions, encouraged them to a point

    but if the government think I'm spending christmas in the kip that is Dublin they've another thing coming

    Will pay all the 70 fine's they want

    Everybody has a point where they make their own decisions regarding restrictions and shun Holohan's 'advice'.


  • #7011
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    You've just said, Let people do what they like. Using your logic, will you be happy to accept that if someone sees you doing something irresponsible in a public place, they can comes up to you and spray you with a long lasting very visible dye to indicate to others that your actions may result in others being adversely affected?

    There is a down side to this, If you have dye on you, then you are not allowed into places like supermarkets during the period where they give priority to people who are vulnerable, and the vulnerable hours should be extended to ensure that the relevant places are accessible and available to them.

    For dye marked people, a medical grade mask would be mandatory in all enclosed public places, and hand sanitising would be mandatory on entry to places like supermarkets.

    Public transport would also be barred to "marked" people.

    If you're happy with that concept, then maybe there's a way forward, if you're not, then maybe there's a fatal flaw in your argument.

    I've read some mental stuff recently, but this really is up there.


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  • #7012
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Another study this time from the University of Edinburgh highlighting how the reopening of schools causes the R transmission rate to surge.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html


  • #7013
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    polesheep wrote: »
    Everybody has a point where they make their own decisions regarding restrictions and shun Holohan's 'advice'.
    I think he really needs to keep it up, relentlessly. Every person that becomes more cautious as a result, is, as he says, a move in the right direction.


  • #7014
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    quokula wrote: »
    You don't, there will be some people who don't care about anyone else and ignore it, but if even 50% of people are responsible enough to heed the messaging then it will save lives.

    And Christmas 2021 if nobody drives home for Christmas that will also saves lives. Will you support that?


  • #7015
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    March and April. I don’t imagine it is any better now.

    In March and April of this year, 17 per cent of patients admitted to the National Spinal Injuries Unit in the Mater Hospital had sustained injuries in a suicide attempt compared to 1 per cent in the same period last year.

    The numbers involved are small but they reflect a trend which is being seen elsewhere. According to a recent US study, 45 per cent of people with suicidal thoughts explicitly linked them to Covid-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

    On Monday, the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland (CPI) concluded a survey of 615 consultants. The data is still being analysed but there are early indications of a worrying trend, the college said.

    “A large proportion of consultants are reporting that they are now seeing an increase in people experiencing both new-onset and relapse of mental illness compared to the early stages of the lockdown but also to before the lockdown came into place,” said Andrea Ryder of the CPI.

    Given they seem to have very obviously avoided given a true comparison from last year to this year in numbers it seems like the numbers are likely not that scary.


  • #7016
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    JP100 wrote: »
    Another study highlighting how the reopening of schools causes the R transmission rate to surge.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html
    So not house parties, communions, funerals nor GAA celebrations?


  • #7017
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I think he really needs to keep it up, relentlessly. Every person that becomes more cautious as a result, is, as he says, a move in the right direction.

    It was more a comment on the hypocrisy of people who push hard for restrictions until it's a restriction that they are not willing to comply with themselves.


  • #7018
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,833 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    No travelling home for Christmas will be encouraged according to the wireless.

    and we'll have adults everywhere acting like toddlers


  • #7019
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,094 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So not house parties, communions, funerals nor GAA celebrations?

    Both.

    Children’s return to classrooms was followed by an average 24-per-cent rise in the R transmission number, University of Edinburgh researchers found after analysing data from 131 countries. The only other measure linked to a higher increase in the rate is lifting a ban on groups gathering, which led to a 25-per-cent rise in R.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7020
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,721 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    JP100 wrote: »
    Another study this time from the University of Edinburgh highlighting how the reopening of schools causes the R transmission rate to surge.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html

    In a different country when NPHET were adamant that the schools were not an issue as recently as yesterday evening.


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  • #7021
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,591 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    In a different country when NPHET were adamant that the schools were not an issue as recently as yesterday evening.

    131 different countries.
    Tranmissions rise by 24 per cent within a month of children returning to classrooms, models using data from 131 countries show


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