Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

uli84 · 28-10-2020 09:29AM

So it starts, redundancies in the company I work for, that is the one which would be considered “safe” even in the current environment, that’s how bad it is...

kittensmittens · 28-10-2020 09:44AM

I've posted this in the other covid thread but will post it here as well.

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

bucketybuck · 28-10-2020 09:52AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

Tony Holohan knows all about women dying due to failures in cancer screening.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 10:02AM

JRant wrote: »

Thanks Pen.

I wonder why they didn't do a rolling 5 weeks aggregate for a year over year analysis. Compare October 2019 with 2020. Maybe that's beyond there capabilities but would be a fairly straightforward data analysis.

I was thinking the same. They would likely have that information on their systems.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 10:08AM

walus wrote: »

There were 421 suicides in Ireland last year. That makes it approximately 1.4% of all deaths. How did you come up with your figure?

Ah! My mistake. I was basing it over the whole population, not just deaths. Using round numbers I averaged deaths by suicide over the past ten years (500) and used a figure of 5 million for the population.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 10:09AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Pulled from a recess deep within oneself I imagine

No, I used real numbers. Admittedly, the wrong numbers...

average_runner · 28-10-2020 10:12AM

uli84 wrote: »

So it starts, redundancies in the company I work for, that is the one which would be considered “safe” even in the current environment, that’s how bad it is...

What company is that?

28-10-2020 10:22AM

uli84 wrote: »

So it starts, redundancies in the company I work for, that is the one which would be considered “safe” even in the current environment, that’s how bad it is...

Same for me and I work in IT which is considered safe.

People think it’s just hospitality, services, tourism and entertainment sectors hit.

But most IT companies are providing support to companies that are offering some kind of service. Take that away and the IT jobs also go.

I feel it’s going to get really bad next year when lockdowns and restrictions continue.

A lot of companies can pause for a few months, not for over a year though.

average_runner · 28-10-2020 10:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Same for me and I work in IT which is considered safe.

People think it’s just hospitality, services, tourism and entertainment sectors hit.

But most IT companies are providing support to companies that are offering some kind of service. Take that away and the IT jobs also go.

I feel it’s going to get really bad next year when lockdowns and restrictions continue.

A lot of companies can pause for a few months, not for over a year though.

IT in general is safe, there is loads of jobs out there right now in the IT sector.

paw patrol · 28-10-2020 10:37AM

Penfailed wrote: »

No, I used real numbers. Admittedly, the wrong numbers...

a classic.:D

I'm stealing this line (if you don't mind) for work.

ShyMets · 28-10-2020 10:38AM

average_runner wrote: »

IT in general is safe, there is loads of jobs out there right now in the IT sector.

The problem is that there are now a lot more people chasing those jobs

paw patrol · 28-10-2020 10:43AM

average_runner wrote: »

IT in general is safe, there is loads of jobs out there right now in the IT sector.

I work in IT albeit a specialised position - IT isn't safe it may suffer a delayed reaction. IT is a huge generalised term they aren't all transferable skills between different sides of IT. The lad programming for a bank on AS400 mighnt even get an intern role in Google.

When the money stops coming in and service companies like insurance and banks take a hit then we will see job losses and dumping of staff on the market competing for less roles and so on..maybe google and those type of tech are safer but there is a lot more than them.

I know BOI Group IT canned a few projects and let contract staff go in recent months all because of covid uncertainty. Doesn't make the news cos they were contract self employed staff.

KennisWhale · 28-10-2020 10:46AM

It's sad to hear of all the job losses which are so needless and can be saved by simply abandoning the restrictions, which could be done at the drop of a hat.

This is more of a social and economic crisis than a health crisis the last 6 months. Fcuk the spineless government and ivory tower NPHET.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 10:48AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same for me and I work in IT which is considered safe.

People think it’s just hospitality, services, tourism and entertainment sectors hit.

But most IT companies are providing support to companies that are offering some kind of service. Take that away and the IT jobs also go.

I feel it’s going to get really bad next year when lockdowns and restrictions continue.

A lot of companies can pause for a few months, not for over a year though.

We lost people after the original lockdown ended. They just didn't start again. This is construction which never really stopped apart from a few weeks complete shutdown.

darconio · 28-10-2020 11:01AM

There is not such thing as a safe job, especially in this situation. The employer won't think twice before implementing a "redundancy program" if that will save the company budget, but hey, we are in this together, even unemployment, so it will be grand :-(

It has been estimated that 150 million people will struggle to survive in poverty with 2$ a month next year as a consequence of the restrictions implemented for covid

_Kaiser_ · 28-10-2020 11:03AM

Our crowd (financial services) let all the contractors go in the summer, imposed a "voluntary" 10% pay cut on most staff for 6 months, and has cancelled/frozen a lot of the bigger projects, so it's definitely hitting a lot wider than others

Any company that provides a service/product to clients or relies on their financial well-being will be impacted by this - it's just a matter of when and how badly.

28-10-2020 11:10AM

We have essentially pressed pause on a production line that simply can not afford to be stopped.

I genuinely believe that this period now is the calm before the storm.

Huge hospital waiting lists, huge backlogs for treatments and screenings, recession, high levels of unemployment, austerity, spending cuts... I really fear that all of that is ahead of us.

Hearing our Taoiseach say that this will continue through 2021 is disheartening.

More and more experts coming out each day now saying that a vaccine won’t solve the problem and restrictions will remain.

Something has got to give. We can’t continue like this for another year.

average_runner · 28-10-2020 11:11AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Our crowd (financial services) let all the contractors go in the summer, imposed a "voluntary" 10% pay cut on most staff for 6 months, and has cancelled/frozen a lot of the bigger projects, so it's definitely hitting a lot wider than others

Any company that provides a service/product to clients or relies on their financial well-being will be impacted by this - it's just a matter of when and how badly.

Banks will always cut bank first though and companies will always remove contractors or not renew their contract when uncertainty occurs.

But the Irish market is not the main thing to affect IT companies, it depends on the world market more. Also IT is usually the first one to come back up when it goes down.

uli84 · 28-10-2020 11:23AM

average_runner wrote: »

What company is that?

one of the biggest ‘contract research organisations’

SusieBlue · 28-10-2020 12:14PM

average_runner wrote: »

IT in general is safe, there is loads of jobs out there right now in the IT sector.

I previously worked in the IT industry and lost my job during the first lockdown.
From speaking to ex colleagues there have been more temporary lay offs and redundancies since then.
IT isn’t as safe as what is being made out at all. All industries rely on each other being prosperous for each of them to function.
The effect of the indefinite mass shutdown of several huge industries will eventually trickle over to the ‘safe’ sectors too.

polesheep · 28-10-2020 12:17PM

average_runner wrote: »

IT in general is safe, there is loads of jobs out there right now in the IT sector.

And there was no shortage of opportunities just before the dot-com bubble burst.

polesheep · 28-10-2020 12:21PM

average_runner wrote: »

Banks will always cut bank first though and companies will always remove contractors or not renew their contract when uncertainty occurs.

But the Irish market is not the main thing to affect IT companies, it depends on the world market more. Also IT is usually the first one to come back up when it goes down.

That saying originated with advertising. Remember advertising? It's now a shell of what it once was and is never coming back.

Cyrus · 28-10-2020 12:24PM

polesheep wrote: »

never coming back.

advertising is never coming back?

polesheep · 28-10-2020 12:33PM

Cyrus wrote: »

advertising is never coming back?

It's a pale shadow of what it once was. There's plenty of marketing these days but only a fraction of the advertising that there was even just twenty years ago. Most of the big ad agencies in Dublin went to the wall and it's a similar picture around the world.

There was a time when your decision to buy a particular brand of washing machine could have been influenced by a full page ad in the Sunday paper. Now, you will most likely do some online research to find what you believe to be the best machine for the price you are willing to pay. Therefore, a brand is unlikely to pay for a full page ad in the paper.

It's a natural decline, but it was a popular belief once that advertising would always be the first thing to come back after a recession. But the fact is, today, it's nothing like the industry it once was.

walus · 28-10-2020 12:33PM

The economic contraction is going to be felt across all industries. 70% of global economy is driven by consumption, which is exactly what has been put on hold by the lockdown(s). It will take possibly another year for all people to start feeling the pinch, possibly at the same time the next budget is announced. But make no mistake, everyone but the few wealthy people, will experience the negative consequences of this.

funnydoggy · 28-10-2020 12:38PM

I wonder in a few weeks / months will the mile long queues for the social welfare have social distancing..

Chalk McHugh · 28-10-2020 12:39PM

walus wrote: »

The economic contraction is going to be felt across all industries. 70% of global economy is driven by consumption, which is exactly what has been put on hold by the lockdown(s). It will take possibly another year for all people to start feeling the pinch, possibly at the same time the next budget is announced. But make no mistake, everyone but the few wealthy people, will experience the negative consequences of this.

Really? Was reading McWilliams yesterday and he said something like 70% of people are better off financially since Covid. The whole public sector haven't lost any money and savings are up due to less expences like travel etc. Some sectors are feeling the full brunt while others are doing as well or even betrer than before. We are not 'all in this together'.

funnydoggy · 28-10-2020 12:40PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Really? Was reading McWilliams yesterday and he said something like 70% of people are better off financially since Covid. The whole public sector haven't lost any money and savings are up due to less expences like travel etc. Some sectors are feeling the full brunt while others are doing as well or even betrer than before. We are not 'all in this together'.

:eek:

Cyrus · 28-10-2020 12:40PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's a pale shadow of what it once was. There's plenty of marketing these days but only a fraction of the advertising that there was even just twenty years ago. Most of the big ad agencies in Dublin went to the wall and it's a similar picture around the world.

There was a time when your decision to buy a particular brand of washing machine could have been influenced by a full page ad in the Sunday paper. Now, you will most likely do some online research to find what you believe to be the best machine for the price you are willing to pay. Therefore, a brand is unlikely to pay for a full page ad in the paper.

It's a natural decline, but it was a popular belief once that advertising would always be the first thing to come back after a recession. But the fact is, today, it's nothing like the industry it once was.

yet google, facebook, linkedin et al make a fortune selling targetted online advertising.

walus · 28-10-2020 12:51PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Really? Was reading McWilliams yesterday and he said something like 70% of people are better off financially since Covid. The whole public sector haven't lost any money and savings are up due to less expences like travel etc. Some sectors are feeling the full brunt while others are doing as well or even betrer than before. We are not 'all in this together'.

Can you share a link? Thanks.

I struggle to see how that holds true. Unless we really consider just the present moment and ignore the fact that although some of them are indeed better off, that it at the expense of their future financial well being. Overall i cannot see this 70% (70% - really?) cohort to be any better long term.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings