Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

zetecescort · 25-10-2020 06:56PM

local windscreen place here cut glass for an old Duncan cab for me a few years ago. any shape as long as it was a flat pane of glass. only thing he couldn't do was drill holes for handles or hinges

dzer2 · 25-10-2020 07:55PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Parts list is here - roofs are listed on page 102:
https://www.iwt.co.uk/iwt-parts/download/4290

Can't find an accurate price but, this is the only one I can get (roof prices on pg 6):
https://www.barlowtrailers.co.uk/image/catalog/PDF/Ifor-Williams-Parts-Price-List-2016-17.pdf

Cross ref the part no from the first into the price list - works out at about £100 - £150 per sheet depending on the trailer - bear in mind that price list is from 16/17. Each trailer requires two.

Do you need two or is the damage confined to a single side?

You will get steel sheets from your local fabricator cheaper, but they'll not have the heat reflective surface that IW put on them. You could paint them though. I'm not 100% as I've not done this job before, but I don't think they need to be rolled to fit the roof frame profile - I think if you start at the upper vents and work towards the centre line then the rivets should pull it into place - just get it al squared before you start and don't overbore the holes when taking out the existing rivets.

I'm not sure what a plain sheet would cost locally - it would be roughly 10' x 4' x 2" - if it was a TA510 10ft - as the sheet is jointed along the centre ridge (I think). You'll need a tube of seam sealer too.

If you do decide to do it yourself, I'd recommend not using the self drives with the hex heads as they can catch on cattle - best using rivets or pancake head self drive.

Just on the hex head screws give the part through the steel.a tap.of a hammer and they break off clean enough not to catch on the cattle

emaherx · 25-10-2020 08:06PM

Base price wrote: »

My brother put a cap on the Fiat. He removed the sun roof, heater radiator and cut out all the rusty metal. He welded in new bits to carry the roof, re did the wiring for the lights, put in new switches overhead, fixed the wiper motor (I can't remember it working) cut out part of the floor that had a hole and replaced with aluminium chequered plate, plated and bolted the near side door/hinges and cut out and replaced other bits. I have to get clear carbon/perspex stuff for both doors and we still have to put the new second hand tyres on the front. It watertight now which is a luxury in itself

Looks great, a few tyres would finish off nicely. I know you fixed up rather than replace but at least now if you decided to upgrade you'd have a much easier to sell machine too.

emaherx · 25-10-2020 08:33PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Ahh its yourself - I was just going to ask you a question emaherx!

Those weigh scales you got - how to they react to a live load? Also, could they be cut and shortened down? We have a similar setup to yourself - albeit with a analogue clock. I was considering getting a platform folded and then it can all be stored on a shelf and not take up as much space as the weighbridge crush. Weighing the cattle is a bit of an demoralising task as you have to go to another farm, put it on the tractor and drive back, set it up, use it, wash, put it back on tractor, back to farm off load... If it was simpler to set up we would be more inclined to monitor their progress and adjust feed.

I see that stumpy scales are around £550 on Amazon. Have you investigated the scales to see if they can be easily shortened?

Do you know roughly what height each scale is - too much of a step could make it a pain to use.

No issue with a live load, although you have to wait for the animal to settle down a bit if they are excitable. The crush makes a good job of it as animal has no option but to put all 4 feet in and with the bar behind them and head gate if nessacery they settle quick enough, a bucket with a little meal helps the most excitable of them settle fairly quickly.

Not sure of exact height of beams, but you could shorten handy enough or just remove the weigh cells and connect directly to your new platform someone else here has done exactly that, I'm thinking maybe Limestone Cowboy but I'm not sure.

Edit: found you the thread
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058097664/2

Donald Trump · 25-10-2020 08:50PM

zetecescort wrote: »

local windscreen place here cut glass for an old Duncan cab for me a few years ago. any shape as long as it was a flat pane of glass. only thing he couldn't do was drill holes for handles or hinges

They should be able to drill it as long as its done before it is tempered. Well I'm guessing that. I've never had it done.

Base price · 25-10-2020 09:05PM

I should have added that the brother made up a yoke to fold the sheet of galvanised steel for the roof including gutters along the side. I will take a pic of it next time I'm at his place.

emaherx · 25-10-2020 09:24PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

That is exactly what I was thinking about. How did he get a CE mark on that platform?
I wonder was that a transplant from the original scales!?!

Projects and ideas racking up now.

What ever you build, share some pics

How's the trailer planning going? And do you have that alias Xiaomi by any chance?

emaherx · 25-10-2020 09:33PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

From that thread you seem to have stumbled upon I don't see the worth in it, however, I'll probably get outvoted.
If it were to start with an old tractor trailer chassis, then it might be workable but from what I've read about truck chassis, its the wrong starting point.

Well it's always good to do the research before getting too invested in a large project like that. You still learn a lot which may be useful down the line.

kevthegaff · 25-10-2020 09:43PM

Base price wrote: »

I should have added that the brother made up a yoke to fold the sheet of galvanised steel for the roof including gutters along the side. I will take a pic of it next time I'm at his place.

He done a great job Base

Nekarsulm · 25-10-2020 10:04PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

He done a great job Base

Agriline Products show Fiat 880 door glass as available at £88.00 plus vat.
Malpas online show the same at £180.00 plus vat.

Perspex has got very expensive, due to demand for screens in shops, the proper glass mightn't actually be any more expensive than buying a sheet of perspex.
No harm in pricing the glass in Sheridans and Charlie Boylans ( Crossdoney).

emaherx · 25-10-2020 10:11PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Agriline Products show Fiat 880 door glass as available at £88.00 plus vat.
Malpas online show the same at £180.00 plus vat.

Perspex has got very expensive, due to demand for screens in shops, the proper glass mightn't actually be any more expensive than buying a sheet of perspex.
No harm in pricing the glass in Sheridans and Charlie Boylans ( Crossdoney).

Yes I considered building a green house with polycarbonate earlier in the year but none could be got, I ended up building a poly tunnel instead. Perspex sheets in a tractor are a disaster, some of the polycarbonate stuff lasts much better but glass is by far the best option and not that expensive if sheets are flat.

Nekarsulm · 25-10-2020 11:00PM

emaherx wrote: »

glass is by far the best option and not that expensive if sheets are flat.

Not sure about the 880's, but 90 series door glass has a slight ( very slight) curve in it.

emaherx · 26-10-2020 06:59AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Not sure about the 880's, but 90 series door glass has a slight ( very slight) curve in it.

It can make a big difference if getting once off glass cut. But if Agrilineproducts.com and similar have them on the shelf as they do for most popular models then that's different anyway.

Nekarsulm · 26-10-2020 01:01PM

No matter what you put in the door, factory glass, perspex or glass cut by a windscreen supplier, it's worth remembering to never let a passanger lean against a Fiat door glass.
It can pop out complete, and your passanger is gone .....

BullBauld · 27-10-2020 11:27AM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Parts list is here - roofs are listed on page 102:
https://www.iwt.co.uk/iwt-parts/download/4290

Can't find an accurate price but, this is the only one I can get (roof prices on pg 6):
https://www.barlowtrailers.co.uk/image/catalog/PDF/Ifor-Williams-Parts-Price-List-2016-17.pdf

Cross ref the part no from the first into the price list - works out at about £100 - £150 per sheet depending on the trailer - bear in mind that price list is from 16/17. Each trailer requires two.

Do you need two or is the damage confined to a single side?

You will get steel sheets from your local fabricator cheaper, but they'll not have the heat reflective surface that IW put on them. You could paint them though. I'm not 100% as I've not done this job before, but I don't think they need to be rolled to fit the roof frame profile - I think if you start at the upper vents and work towards the centre line then the rivets should pull it into place - just get it al squared before you start and don't overbore the holes when taking out the existing rivets.

I'm not sure what a plain sheet would cost locally - it would be roughly 10' x 4' x 2" - if it was a TA510 10ft - as the sheet is jointed along the centre ridge (I think). You'll need a tube of seam sealer too.

If you do decide to do it yourself, I'd recommend not using the self drives with the hex heads as they can catch on cattle - best using rivets or pancake head self drive.

Thanks for the reply. I'll try and source the steel locally first and see how I go.

Cheers again.

davidk1394 · 28-10-2020 03:42PM

Night time reading sorted

I came across it while cleaning out the grandparents house.

patsy_mccabe · 28-10-2020 06:21PM

ArmaTrac 1104 Tractor - It looks well anyway.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-armatrac-1104/26356138

3 the square · 28-10-2020 06:52PM

Any one recommend a good 3 ton trolley jack nothing out of the mind expensive

emaherx · 28-10-2020 07:09PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

ArmaTrac 1104 Tractor - It looks well anyway.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-armatrac-1104/26356138

Spec looks good on paper anyway. Wonder will these cheaper brands start to take up some of the market considering the crazy prices of the major brands.

hopeso · 28-10-2020 07:44PM

emaherx wrote: »

Spec looks good on paper anyway. Wonder will these cheaper brands start to take up some of the market considering the crazy prices of the major brands.

Looks decent enough, with a very high spec. I wonder what the yellow and orange levers in front of the seat are for?

zetecescort · 28-10-2020 07:48PM

hopeso wrote: »

Looks decent enough, with a very high spec. I wonder what the yellow and orange levers in front of the seat are for?

ejector seat?

Gillespy · 28-10-2020 08:45PM

I remember reading a thread in a UK forum about ArmaTrac and it was fairly positive. Most of the budget brands seem to have Perkins engines which are supposed to be poor now, no where near the great engines they were. The ArmaTrac is Deutz according to that ad. I wish they would put bigger wheels on them, 28 fronts and 38 back would set it off better than them small ones.

kevthegaff · 28-10-2020 09:19PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

ArmaTrac 1104 Tractor - It looks well anyway.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-armatrac-1104/26356138

How much is it?

patsy_mccabe · 28-10-2020 09:35PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

How much is it?

£1,234

No idea, sorry.

Gillespy · 28-10-2020 09:44PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/hattat-4110/26290643

These wouldn't be 100 miles from me. He has the good manners to put up prices. That €1,234 thing is infuriating.

hopeso · 28-10-2020 10:13PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

£1,234
No idea, sorry.

Half the price of a Massey, it seems....

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=379268902758839

davidk1394 · 29-10-2020 07:56AM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

The Arbos is a lovely looking machine too - I think they have Kohler engines in them.
Not sure of their price - don't think they are a bargin though.

Tractors now have gotten beyond the basic stockman tractor. Emmission regulations have made the engines more complex and manufacturers putting in more and more complex transmissions with increasing splits is getting ridiculous.

I sat in the cab of an Arbos. Awful cab and I'd the comfort in the cab would be slim to nil

davidk1394 · 29-10-2020 08:50PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Surprised about that TBH. It looked well in the photos I seen. Appearances can be deceptive!

I sat into one at Agritechnica. From the outside it looks fine. When I sat into it, the cab was tight, very plastic, the layout of controls wasn't great, head height was low and where the foot throttle is would give you a pain in the knee.

MfMan · 29-10-2020 08:50PM

Any sign of these beasts to land?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/sima-2019-more-details-emerge-on-mancels-europe-wide-plans/

Odelay · 29-10-2020 09:23PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojq7sS7fCmM

Interesting tracker recovery of stolen machinery. Uses radio and GPS. GPS seemingly is not reliable, radio seems very reliable. No idea of costs.

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