Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 04:22PM

Surely the north can start shipping people over to the mainland... Instead of us offering them beds.

flanna01 · 26-10-2020 04:23PM

How long do you think 400 snots would last you for in say .... Templebar??

Try getting a Paddy Whackery Irish Coffee & a Gin & Tonic in any bar in Dublin, it's your pockets that are light, not your head.

Take the Mrs out in Grafton St for the night... Post your bank statement the following day..

Stheno · 26-10-2020 04:23PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Surely the north can start shipping people over to the mainland... Instead of us offering them beds.

Hospital capacity in the UK is under pressure in multiple cities

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 04:24PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Pubs closing won't stop a 400e a week drinking habit. You were an alcoholic for 15 years. Fair play for getting your life together but pubs opened or closed won't impact on that type of addiction.

They'll just drown themselves at home or in a drain somewhere.

Pubs closing will possibly add to the problem, plenty of people who never drank at home are falling into the habit, far easier to drink regularly when you don't even have to go out, cheaper also, will result in many alcoholics who would never have developed a problem only for covid 19

Risteard81 · 26-10-2020 04:24PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Surely the north can start shipping people over to the mainland... Instead of us offering them beds.

This is the Irish mainland. Our mainland isn't in a foreign country.

kilkenny31 · 26-10-2020 04:24PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Very mixed feelings over the Northern Ireland situation. We went hard and firm to keep our non covid care as functional as possible. This required enormous economic sacrifice. Now it looks like we may have to curtail non covid care because the dysfunctional sh1tfest that is the United Kingdom couldn't make the sacrifices we could and if sh1t continues going the way it does in the north we won't have enough beds for them anyway!

But I know we have to help. I'm just frustrated by the fact it could have a severe impact on us. One that could have been avoided.

Things are improving in the North as they are here. It's unlikely that in a few weeks that they will need us.

PokeHerKing · 26-10-2020 04:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I never had drink at home. I never felt like I needed a drink during the week.
I wouldn't ever drink at home.
This was a social thing and obviously feeling good and no pain when you are full as a bingo bus.

You either spent 400e a week on alcohol or you didn't. If you did then you were a stone cold alcoholic.

If you didn't then you spent 400e a week on drink, food, placed a few bets, taxis, entry into nightclubs, match day tickets etc. Or in other words lived a normal life

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 04:26PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Very mixed feelings over the Northern Ireland situation. We went hard and firm to keep our non covid care as functional as possible. This required enormous economic sacrifice. Now it looks like we may have to curtail non covid care because the dysfunctional sh1tfest that is the United Kingdom couldn't make the sacrifices we could and if sh1t continues going the way it does in the north we won't have enough beds for them anyway!

But I know we have to help. I'm just frustrated by the fact it could have a severe impact on us. One that could have been avoided.

My preference would be to act as a broker to help the Northern Ireland executive negotiate a deal with Irish private hospitals whereby the Irish private hospitals take in Northern patients without effecting the HSE. I would hope the government would explore this options before offering HSE beds.

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 04:27PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

This is the wrong place to be saying this, too many posts that are distracting from content, but here goes.

We need to redefine the whole scenario, and get away from essential/non essential wording, as that's only adding to the confusion and the temptation to break the rules.

What the relevant authorities need to be emphasising very clearly and very loudly is that shopping for the next number of weeks needs to be on the basis of specific need, and NO BROWSING, which is where most of the problems (especially in places like clothes shops) are coming from,

People with hands that haven't been sanitised reefing through racks of hangars to see if they like the shape/colour/fit of the multiple items on display, to be followed a few seconds later by another browser. Between the hands on contact, and the risk of spread via airborne, that's the sort of shopping we don't need and can't afford right now. If people can order on line, that means they know what they want, and should be able to get what's needed.

Shopping needs to be for items that are needed for every day life to continue with as little disruption as possible. What's non essential for some is seriously urgent for others, so that needs to be recognised and facilitated.

Shops that are closed and complaining need to be reminded that they had 9 months to look at alternatives like on line ordering options, there was plenty of warnings that another wave was a strong possibility, and there's plenty of companies that could have helped with that. I do a lot of on line searching, and finding Irish suppliers of some items is almost impossible, and for some areas, that's down to a lack of an on line presence. That needs to be changed, but it's down to management recognising that times have massively changed.

To be fair the state bodies that help out with some of these things like the LEO (Local Enterprise Office) network and others have been banging on for years about the need for more businesses to have online presence. There’s only so much can be done to get some of these companies thinking beyond their own front door.

I appreciate it’s hard to get the time to create an online store, but given the circumstances it’s crazy that more haven’t.

There are some wonderful examples of business that have been very successful online and have excellent online presence, but they’re few and far between here.

It’s not unique to Ireland either. Small businesses and even quite large ones have missed the online boat really badly, including major retailers who often have poor online presence.

The same is true of many of the newspapers. They’re moaning about being unable to cope online, yet very few of them seem to comprehend the market or want to open up things like one off purchases of papers. Why for example would most people want to sign up for some online subscription, when they used to just buy the paper physical for say a Euro without any commitment or complications?

I agree it’s frustrating to see so many businesses not taking the opportunity to go online. Setting up Shopify or similar isn’t rocket science and there are loads of currently struggling small web developers who would be glad of the contracts and very competent and capable of doing it.

There needs to be a major change of mindset from some traditional businesses. The world was already changing, COVID-19 has brought those changes forward by about a decade.

Where the state and councils could help is:

1) improve online presence - cluster marketing projects and websites to make it easier to find people and boost their search rankings. That could also allow people to share online presence / infrastructure and tech support.

That could also allow clusters of small businesses to collaborate on fulfilment centres and getting economies of scale, much as they do by being located in a shopping centre, all sharing a roof and a car park.

2) delivery services - they need to deal with the higher costs here. Some of it is inevitable due to island location, some of it is inexplicable and needs to be looked into.

3) Banking - we need to ensure that retailers aren’t being mired by expensive banking options. That’s both a problem historically with expensive accounts and also inertia and lack of information causing people to not shop around for cheaper alternatives. Something that could easily be dealt with by the LEO network.

4) I don’t really buy the argument that broadband is a hindrance anymore, but rural based retailers or people who’ve some issue getting online should be helped out on a case by case basis e.g. priority access to being hooked up to one of the fibre providers or decent support with finding good alternatives. Managing a small website doesn’t require running servers or any major bandwidth needs at all. It’s all cloud based anyway. So, realistically they need solid broadband. That’s not a big ask nor is it a particular challenge anymore.

kilkenny31 · 26-10-2020 04:30PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Surely the north can start shipping people over to the mainland... Instead of us offering them beds.

Ignorant comment. 800,000 people there are Irish Citizens we have a duty to look after them.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 04:34PM

Deleted User wrote:

For you. Many many people can have a drink responsibly. Also you have peoples livelihoods gone.

Again the attitude of "well it suits me so let's do it" rears its head.

I don't know what to make of this. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about banning alcohol. I also said there's no bitterness on my part and that I enjoyed my time drinking.

How you make that out to be me wanting to shut pubs for good is bewildering unless of course you are a pub owner or somebody with a drink problem

All of said is that what I did, and many my friends still do, is a waste of a life.

I Am The Law · 26-10-2020 04:36PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

This is the wrong place to be saying this, too many posts that are distracting from content, but here goes.

We need to redefine the whole scenario, and get away from essential/non essential wording, as that's only adding to the confusion and the temptation to break the rules.

What the relevant authorities need to be emphasising very clearly and very loudly is that shopping for the next number of weeks needs to be on the basis of specific need, and NO BROWSING, which is where most of the problems (especially in places like clothes shops) are coming from,

People with hands that haven't been sanitised reefing through racks of hangars to see if they like the shape/colour/fit of the multiple items on display, to be followed a few seconds later by another browser. Between the hands on contact, and the risk of spread via airborne, that's the sort of shopping we don't need and can't afford right now. If people can order on line, that means they know what they want, and should be able to get what's needed.

Shopping needs to be for items that are needed for every day life to continue with as little disruption as possible. What's non essential for some is seriously urgent for others, so that needs to be recognised and facilitated.

Shops that are closed and complaining need to be reminded that they had 9 months to look at alternatives like on line ordering options, there was plenty of warnings that another wave was a strong possibility, and there's plenty of companies that could have helped with that. I do a lot of on line searching, and finding Irish suppliers of some items is almost impossible, and for some areas, that's down to a lack of an on line presence. That needs to be changed, but it's down to management recognising that times have massively changed.

Well that's exactly the problem, our capitalist society is in no way prepared for the cold turkey of just going get the essentials.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 04:37PM

PokeHerKing wrote:

You either spent 400e a week on alcohol or you didn't. If you did then you were a stone cold alcoholic.

I spent that much on alcohol in pubs and nightclubs.

I never drank from Monday morning to Friday evening.

I never felt like I needed a drink either.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 04:37PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Surely the north can start shipping people over to the mainland... Instead of us offering them beds.

This. It makes zero sense to be depriving our own taxpayers.. filling our own bed capacity with those from NI and when a taxpayer here needs help.. Doesn’t need to be covid related, heart attacks, strokes, accidents, assaults are still happening... the UK simply needs to open up capacity and transport links to their mainland if needed for their citizens in NI, or increasing capacity up there.

We invest serious millions a year looking after non residents , non taxpayers with free healthcare, accommodation, food and assortment of help, etc.... not in a position to expand that generosity. Sorry.

Funsterdelux · 26-10-2020 04:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about banning alcohol. I also said there's no bitterness on my part and that I enjoyed my time drinking.

How you make that out to be me wanting to shut pubs for good is bewildering unless of course you are a pub owner or somebody with a drink problem

All of said is that what I did, and many my friends still do, is a waste of a life.

We need your receipts, bank statements and any other relevant documents from those 15years.

s1ippy · 26-10-2020 04:37PM

Arghus wrote: »

I've never heard such rubbish in my life.

Who in their right mind doesn't want this whole thing to be over and done with?

Everyone needs someone to blame.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 04:41PM

mloc123 wrote: »

The north isn't Ireland... It is the UK and their mainland is Britain.

26-10-2020 04:42PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know what to make of this. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about banning alcohol. I also said there's no bitterness on my part and that I enjoyed my time drinking.

How you make that out to be me wanting to shut pubs for good is bewildering unless of course you are a pub owner or somebody with a drink problem

All of said is that what I did, and many my friends still do, is a waste of a life.

"Pubs being shut is a great thing for our nation imo"

Your post read as if drinking wasn't good for you and your friends so because of that you feel pubs being closed would be a good thing.

Going to the gym increased my tendency to obsess over weight loss and diet. I think them remaining shut will do the country a world of good. So many people can get fixated and develop unhealthy attitudes towards weight loss. No gyms might help limit this preoccupation.

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 04:42PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

We need your receipts, bank statements and any other relevant documents from those 15years.

It should have it's own thread, we could call it 'none so pure as the reformed whore'

Strumms · 26-10-2020 04:43PM

They don’t contribute to the running of our health services so when theirs fails and we are at capacity, it’s sorry, no dice.

Next they’ll want the Irish government to be paying for their hospital treatment and a hotel for their relations

fits · 26-10-2020 04:44PM

Strumms wrote: »

They don’t contribute to the running of our health services so when theirs fails and we are at capacity, it’s sorry, no dice.

Next they’ll want the Irish government to be paying for their hospital treatment and a hotel for their relations

Helping our neighbours is the right thing to do.

manofwisdom · 26-10-2020 04:45PM

mloc123 wrote: »

The north isn't Ireland... It is the UK and their mainland is Britain.

32 counties in the island of Ireland.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 04:45PM

Strumms wrote: »

This. It makes zero sense to be depriving our own taxpayers.. filling our own bed capacity with those from NI and when a taxpayer here needs help.. Doesn’t need to be covid related, heart attacks, strokes, accidents, assaults are still happening... the UK simply needs to open up capacity and transport links to their mainland if needed for their citizens in NI, or increasing capacity up there.

We invest serious millions a year looking after non residents , non taxpayers with free healthcare, accommodation, food and assortment of help, etc.... not in a position to expand that generosity. Sorry.

I do worry about cross border activity and transmission of the virus.

If our government were to make an offer to take in a certain number of patients if Northern Ireland were to align restrictions with us I would give it a level of support.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 04:46PM

Deleted User wrote:

Going to the gym increased my tendency to obsess over weight loss and diet. I think them remaining shut will do the country a world of good. So many people can get fixated and develop unhealthy attitudes towards weight loss. No gyms might help limit this preoccupation.

Trying to twist those thoughts into me saying that drinking like I did is a waste of a life is a bit insane I think.
Comparing it to pubs being closed is crazy too.

I Am The Law · 26-10-2020 04:48PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Is that so having some trouble

< > / [ ] ?

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 04:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Pubs being shut is a great thing for our nation imo"

Your post read as if drinking wasn't good for you and your friends so because of that you feel pubs being closed would be a good thing

"There is no pious like the new convert"

Funsterdelux · 26-10-2020 04:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I Am The Law wrote: »

< > / [ ] ?

Got there in the end

PokeHerKing · 26-10-2020 04:50PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I spent that much on alcohol in pubs and nightclubs.

I never drank from Monday morning to Friday evening.

I never felt like I needed a drink either.

Again you were either spending 400e a week on alcohol which is an alcoholic or you weren't. Doesn't matter how its spread out throughout the week or whether you "believed" you never "needed" a drink. 75 pints in a week is a raging alcoholic.

Or like I suspect your "400" went on socialising in general, drink, food, taxis, events such as nightclubs, concerts , matchday tickets, sports betting etc. Or as alreading stated, living a fairly normal life.

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 04:51PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

32 counties in the island of Ireland.

The island yes... The country is 26 however.

26-10-2020 04:55PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Trying to twist those thoughts into me saying that drinking like I did is a waste of a life is a bit insane I think.
Comparing it to pubs being closed is crazy too.

I am merely giving an example of an attitude that says if something isn't for me then it isn't for everyone. It has been so obvious among so many since the pandemic began. A complete lack of awareness that other people have different needs and different experiences.

Gyms can promote an obsession with achieving an unrealistic body image, going there can consume a person, if they don't get to the gym or perform in a way they deem necessary then they can fall in to self loathing and negative thought patterns. Of course gyms can also be hugely positive and beneficial for many people.

My experience of them was negative but I am able to understand that's not the experience of many others.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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