Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 03:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So you can still buy cigarettes, alcohol and lottery tickets but can't buy clothes?

And in fact by selling alcohol, they are encouraging house parties something they have tried to put a ban on but let's face it, those who want to ignore it will ignore it. I said it before and I'll say it again but they need to make house parties dry.

Stop selling alcohol tomorrow and see how hospitals handle the volume of alcoholics detoxing..

Irish Steve · 26-10-2020 03:50PM

This is the wrong place to be saying this, too many posts that are distracting from content, but here goes.

We need to redefine the whole scenario, and get away from essential/non essential wording, as that's only adding to the confusion and the temptation to break the rules.

What the relevant authorities need to be emphasising very clearly and very loudly is that shopping for the next number of weeks needs to be on the basis of specific need, and NO BROWSING, which is where most of the problems (especially in places like clothes shops) are coming from,

People with hands that haven't been sanitised reefing through racks of hangars to see if they like the shape/colour/fit of the multiple items on display, to be followed a few seconds later by another browser. Between the hands on contact, and the risk of spread via airborne, that's the sort of shopping we don't need and can't afford right now. If people can order on line, that means they know what they want, and should be able to get what's needed.

Shopping needs to be for items that are needed for every day life to continue with as little disruption as possible. What's non essential for some is seriously urgent for others, so that needs to be recognised and facilitated.

Shops that are closed and complaining need to be reminded that they had 9 months to look at alternatives like on line ordering options, there was plenty of warnings that another wave was a strong possibility, and there's plenty of companies that could have helped with that. I do a lot of on line searching, and finding Irish suppliers of some items is almost impossible, and for some areas, that's down to a lack of an on line presence. That needs to be changed, but it's down to management recognising that times have massively changed.

Gruffalux · 26-10-2020 03:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

400 quid a week, how many nights were you drinking. You do realise the majority just go out for a laugh and a few pints. Just because you couldn't handle that yourself doesn't mean it should be banned, should we ban fast foods, sugar, cigarettes as well when we are at it.

400 quid a week every week for 15 years is an absolute fortune p!ssed down the drain. :eek:

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 03:51PM

Stheno wrote: »

Are they possibly missing cases in the community though?

There is a poster here that claimed multiple times that there's a who document that when the psoitivy rate is above 7% it's likely that large numbers of community cases are being missed.

No one obected to his claim so I have taken it as fact. If so a psoitivy rate of 25% would mean that a lot of cases are being missed in the community in Northern Ireland. We need cases to fall and positivity numbers to fall (ideally without counter indicative news sources) before we can claim its really psoitive news.

Stheno · 26-10-2020 03:52PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I had to get a covid test done and send my employer proof. Which I don't mind, if that's what they need.

However, what if another member of my household has to go for a test and I have to isolate. Can my employer request their information? I'm not too sure how people would feel being asked that kind of information for a workplace they don't work in.

Even though I'm working from home I've to do a weekly survey for work which asks if I've ben in contact with a suspected case

I can't see why your employer would want to know more than being in contact with someone and having to isolate

bilston · 26-10-2020 03:52PM

Stheno wrote: »

Are they possibly missing cases in the community though?

Without question.

funnydoggy · 26-10-2020 03:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Pubs being shut is a great thing for our nation imo.
As a former major binge drinker who averaged spending around 20k euro annually for about 15 years I realise how big of a problem drinking in this country has been. I was never alone while drinking and there were plenty of my good friends spending more than me.
I hope it helps a lot of people to walk away from that life. It'll make for a better, richer country if it happens.

I'm not miserable about it, enjoyed most of my time doing it, apart from hangovers, but it's such a waste of a life.

funnydoggy wrote: »

Spoke to my elderly grandad yesterday after he went to the pub to see his friends. He paid for his two pints upfront, and they were brought to him while he caught up with his friends.

He went 7 months alone, without having any real anyone social interaction with anyone (bar a relative through a window). When he was telling me on the phone, you could tell he was trying his best not to cry.

7 months to an octogenarian is a long f*cking time.

I'm absolutely delighted for him.

Situations like the above are all over Ireland. Yesterday was a great day for many people.

From a few weeks ago when the pubs opened briefly. It's not just about drink.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 03:53PM

niallo27 wrote:

400 quid a week, how many nights were you drinking. You do realise the majority just go out for a laugh and a few pints. Just because you couldn't handle that yourself doesn't mean it should be banned, should we ban fast foods, sugar, cigarettes as well when we are at it.

I went out three nights, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Well Saturday would be a 6pm kickoff at the latest.
I realise there's plenty who only have a few one night a week but there's lots who did what I did.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 03:54PM

funnydoggy wrote:

From a few weeks ago when the pubs opened briefly. It's not just about drink.

He could meet them in a coffee shop. Does there need to be alcohol?

FintanMcluskey · 26-10-2020 03:55PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I went out three nights, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Well Saturday would be a 6pm kickoff at the latest.
I realise there's plenty who only have a few one night a week but there's lots who did what I did.

Well done on enjoying socialising in your youth.

Your new mission is to prevent the next generations doing the same.

Paddygreen · 26-10-2020 03:57PM

growleaves wrote: »

Exhibit Z that there is a Prohibitionist streak running through support for these restrictions.

And once again a person who is already married with children is happy for nightclubs, pubs etc. to be gone.

What most posters on this thread are doing right now - micro-analysing statistical gibberish - is a waste of a life.

Statistical gibberish? You mean the facts that support the settled science and expert consensus. We could do with a bit more of the new-normal semi-secular Calvinism as recommended by our esteemed experts to keep people’s awareness raised about the important things in life like Coronavirus, Death, Brexit, Greta, Dermot Bannon, the Climate Emergency and period poverty. Thank you Jesus that the Islamic terrorists (peace be upon them) seem to have hung up their suicide vests for the duration of the pandemic, we don’t hear much about those lads anymore.

bilston · 26-10-2020 03:59PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Hi Bilston

I hope you and yours are well.

Im afraid my view is less positive. 2866 individuals tested means the positivity rate is over 25% which is one of the worst daily positivy rates I've seen in Northern Ireland. Its usually 20-22%.

That said lower test numbers mean a higher proportion of tests are hospital tests as opposed to community tests which would explain the high positivity rate.

I hope your positive view turns out correct.

Hi Ciaran, don't see you in the rugby forum very often these days!

I wouldn't say I'm overly positive yet, but I see some signs of a stabilisation. Still cases will still be presenting themselves eere infection occurred before the new restrictions. The 7 day numbers have flattened out though, but who knows how many cases are being missed

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 03:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He could meet them in a coffee shop. Does there need to be alcohol?

You assume there is a coffee shop.

Every village in the county has a pub.. they don't all have coffee shops. Village I grew up beside had 2 pubs.. no shops, no coffee shops etc..

I don't think anyone would object to these small rural village pubs, with a handful of farmers having a couple of pints on Saturday evening.

The issue is the large pubs, packed with binge drinkers.

PopTarts · 26-10-2020 03:59PM

Are figures updated on a BH?

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 03:59PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The reality is money is extremely cheap. Never been cheaper. ECB is buying everything hand over fist. I want this to be a reassuring "Don't worry" kinda message for those who may have an irrational fear about 'borrowing'.

The fact is the last financial crash and the actions of the troika need not have happened.

You don't need to be a genius to wonder what way the interest rate is going on bonds.

https://www.independent.ie/business/world/european-central-bank-has-bought-half-of-irish-bond-sales-in-2020-39599363.html

Need not have happened, but you’ll inevitably get pressure from the frugal four and fiscal conservatives in Europe and elsewhere to reign this back in again and quite harshly.

The fiscal stimulus packages in Europe and in the USA have been both mired in politics and slow.

It’s politics and sentiment, not necessarily raw economics that puts everything at risk.

If we keep the situation managed from a virus impact point of view in Ireland, we are absolutely in a better situation.

I’d agree using cheap money now, to prop up the economy and get through this makes sense.

We also need to keep private finance flowing and investment and that’s what would be frightened off by an out of control viral situation that ran longer than elsewhere.

What doesn’t make sense is a pressure from fiscal conservatism to open the economy, expose the population to huge risk with a notion of avoiding short term losses and then incurring long term instability, which will frighten investors off.

Imagine a situation in say 12 months time where say Ireland has had a couple of lockdowns. Kept virus numbers low. Had very little impact on the healthcare system or anything else. Vaccine uptake is high and things start to rapidly return to normal.

Vs say a country where there’s been riots over vaccines, people refusing to take them or one that has decided to go down the route or self imposed beating itself up over public expenditure and goes into austerity mode...

I can foresee major problems in France (conspiracy theories), the USA (conspiracy theories and anti social expenditure sentiment) the U.K. (small currency & bloodymindness around Brexit) and possibly even Germany (extreme fiscal conservatism).

funnydoggy · 26-10-2020 04:00PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He could meet them in a coffee shop. Does there need to be alcohol?

The nearest cafe is over a half an hour walk downhill and it's a tough hill coming back. He used to be my nan's carer until she died so he's physically shot. He's able to go for walks but man, surely you wouldn't expect him to travel that much every day so he can see his friends do you?

growleaves · 26-10-2020 04:00PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Stop selling alcohol tomorrow and see how hospitals handle the volume of alcoholics detoxing..

Think of the hospital admissions there would be were people brewing their own concoctions.

"A quart of Clondalkin boneshaker gin please..."

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 04:08PM

Will we offer ICU space?

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1320731524178784257?s=19

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 04:09PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Will we offer ICU space?

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1320731524178784257?s=19

Saw in the papers this morning, we will indeed

Arghus · 26-10-2020 04:10PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

It's good news for us, but bad news for the doom merchants... they'll be hoping it fails ...

I've never heard such rubbish in my life.

Who in their right mind doesn't want this whole thing to be over and done with?

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 04:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote:

Well done on enjoying socialising in your youth.

I didn't have that sort of money to spend on my youth.
This happened from very late 20's to early 40's.

FintanMcluskey wrote:

Your new mission is to prevent the next generations doing the same.

I don't want to prevent anybody having a good time just hoping that this break from wet pubs will help people who are like I was.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 04:11PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Will we offer ICU space?

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1320731524178784257?s=19

According to the Irish times if its requested then yeah we will.

Would require non covid care potentially being stopped here though.

NI saying they haven't requested it and don't foresee having to at the moment, but I'd imagine that might change and would be a climb down from the DUP

Stheno · 26-10-2020 04:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

According to the Irish times if its requested then yeah we will.

Would require non covid care potentially being stopped here though.

NI saying they haven't requested it and don't foresee having to at the moment, but I'd imagine that might change and would be a climb down from the DUP

Did they not build a nightingale hospital in Belfast?

I hope if they need our help we have the capacity to offer it

PokeHerKing · 26-10-2020 04:15PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I didn't have that sort of money to spend on my youth.
This happened from very late 20's to early 40's.

I don't want to prevent anybody having a good time just hoping that this break from wet pubs will help people who are like I was.

Pubs closing won't stop a 400e a week drinking habit. You were an alcoholic for 15 years. Fair play for getting your life together but pubs opened or closed won't impact on that type of addiction.

They'll just drown themselves at home or in a drain somewhere.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 04:17PM

14% global growth in a week, fuelled by Europe.
This is insane.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1320744625397747712?s=19

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 04:17PM

bilston wrote: »

Hi Ciaran, don't see you in the rugby forum very often these days!

I wouldn't say I'm overly positive yet, but I see some signs of a stabilisation. Still cases will still be presenting themselves eere infection occurred before the new restrictions. The 7 day numbers have flattened out though, but who knows how many cases are being missed

Ovee the last few years I've found myself consuming a lot of rugby on a recorded rather than live basis so have withdrawn from the rugby forum a lot.

The number of cases being missed is impossible to estimate. I tend to view the positivity rate as a proxy for missed cases. As I said bad signs that it's over 25%. Who knows though.

eagle eye · 26-10-2020 04:19PM

PokeHerKing wrote:

Pubs closing won't stop a 400e a week drinking habit. You were an alcoholic for 15 years. Fair play for getting your life together but pubs opened or closed won't impact on that type of addiction.

They'll just drown themselves at home or in a drain somewhere.

I never had drink at home. I never felt like I needed a drink during the week.
I wouldn't ever drink at home.
This was a social thing and obviously feeling good and no pain when you are full as a bingo bus.

Turtwig · 26-10-2020 04:20PM

Very mixed feelings over the Northern Ireland situation. We went hard and firm to keep our non covid care as functional as possible. This required enormous economic sacrifice. Now it looks like we may have to curtail non covid care because the dysfunctional sh1tfest that is the United Kingdom couldn't make the sacrifices we could and if sh1t continues going the way it does in the north we won't have enough beds for them anyway!

But I know we have to help. I'm just frustrated by the fact it could have a severe impact on us. One that could have been avoided.

26-10-2020 04:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Pubs being shut is a great thing for our nation imo.
As a former major binge drinker who averaged spending around 20k euro annually for about 15 years I realise how big of a problem drinking in this country has been. I was never alone while drinking and there were plenty of my good friends spending more than me.
I hope it helps a lot of people to walk away from that life. It'll make for a better, richer country if it happens.

I'm not miserable about it, enjoyed most of my time doing it, apart from hangovers, but it's such a waste of a life.

For you. Many many people can have a drink responsibly. Also you have peoples livelihoods gone.

Again the attitude of "well it suits me so let's do it" rears its head.

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 04:22PM

NI still have 10 ICU beds available + 150 ICU beds in nightingale hospitals. We won't be helping them for a while.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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