Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 01:15PM

AdamD wrote: »

That's not what was said. You think that's prolonging it, it isn't. It might make it more widespread, but this isn't going to end sooner if more people isolate.

Covid will exist until there is mass take up of a second generation vaccine.

Until that time restrictions will Co tinue by and large based on behaviour. Prolonging level 5 level 3 whatever levels is what people mena they talk about stuff being prolonged based on behaviour.

Gruffalux · 26-10-2020 01:15PM

seamus wrote: »

I wouldn't be overly concerned. Bank holiday weekend. If a patient hasn't been discharged on a Friday, they're unlikely to be discharged until Tuesday unless their doctor is working the weekend.

Nevertheless even with dropping case numbers there is a stinging tail because it takes 2-4 weeks for ordinary symptoms to require hospitalisation.

You might be if you were one of them in hospital.

Stheno · 26-10-2020 01:15PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This thing is relentless and the trends are obvious. Unfortunately for EVERYONE the only proven thing that works is to try and keep people separate. Doubling time in Italy for all of these metrics is ~ 8 days.

Leo was dead wrong to say we should look at hospitalisations and ICU as primary metrics for our response. That may have been true if we can protect the vulnerable but we can't if there is community transmission and there is. There is a lag for sure but then it hits all at once.

Just to add our cases go up and down etc but follow a similar curve. We've added significant restrictions so we should be off the trajectory but people will say "see what was the point it didn't even go up". :rolleyes:

Restrictions wise we don't compare

Whats your point here?

Are you just determined to misery monger?

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 01:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does this have to do with us? They’re mutually exclusive.

So the cases are function of how the disease spreads and how we test, record and report. Italy's report is an order of magnitude better than ours.

The hospitalisations and icu are a function of cases.

The disease spreads the same the only difference is how we report.
Now we've implemented restrictions.

We've had the same arguments throughout......

"What's the north got to do with us"
"What's Dublin cases got to do with connaught etc"

Fairly myopic viewpoint that turned out to be a waste of characters.

babyboom · 26-10-2020 01:16PM

I don't understand how people are not seeing the logic in shutting down non essential services, particularly clothes shops. My daughter works in a shopping centre. Once the clothes shops opened whole families were "browsing" for hours at the weekends. Kids running everywhere, touching everything. They weren't shopping for essential items, they were having a day out. Nothing wrong with that in normal times but this is not normal times. There are a few shops open that are pushing the definition of essential so volumes haven't dropped as much as the last time around. Encouraging people to pack into shopping centres is counter productive at the moment.

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 01:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So the cases are function of how the disease spreads and how we test, record and report. Italy's report is an order of magnitude better than ours.

The hospitalisations and icu are a function of cases.

The disease spreads the same the only difference is how we report.
Now we've implemented restrictions.

We've had the same arguments throughout......

"What's the north got to do with us"
"What's Dublin cases got to do with connaught etc"

Fairly myopic viewpoint that turned out to be a waste of characters.

Uhh okay, still don’t see why the numbers in ICU in Italy are relevant to Ireland, but whatever floats your boat I guess?

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 01:17PM

Stheno wrote: »

Restrictions wise we don't compare

Whats your point here?

Are you just determined to misery monger?

No my point is that people don't think we need restrictions.
Italy was doing great, now it's not.

Every country has different restrictions. Italy has had fines from the start. Masks must be worn outdoors. So some things stricter some not.

manniot2 · 26-10-2020 01:18PM

These Garda tweets showing them going into shops and blocking off the boxes of celebrations are such a fooking embarrassment to this country and a shameful use of resources. How can their commissioner stand over this.

Cluedo Monopoly · 26-10-2020 01:18PM

babyboom wrote: »

I don't understand how people are not seeing the logic in shutting down non essential services, particularly clothes shops. My daughter works in a shopping centre. Once the clothes shops opened whole families were "browsing" for hours at the weekends. Kids running everywhere, touching everything. They weren't shopping for essential items, they were having a day out. Nothing wrong with that in normal times but this is not normal times. There are a few shops open that are pushing the definition of essential so volumes haven't dropped as much as the last time around. Encouraging people to pack into shopping centres is counter productive at the moment.

Ice cream shops, pancake shops and sweets-only shops are open in Galway. All the coffee shops are open too but many were closed during the first lockdown. There are definitely way more shops open in shopping centres and a lot more footfall.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 01:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Uhh okay, still don’t see why the numbers in ICU in Italy are relevant to Ireland, but whatever floats your boat I guess?

Sorry yeah you are so right.

This disease is in fact nothing to worry about.

Cool carry on. Don't let me get in the way of your sugar coating.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 01:19PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Covid will exist until there is mass take up of a second generation vaccine.

Until that time restrictions will Co tinue by and large based on behaviour. Prolonging level 5 level 3 whatever levels is what people mena they talk about stuff being prolonged based on behaviour.

Covid will likely exist regardless, its going to be endemic. The actual virus that causes infection will exist unless there's immunity or eradication.

Once a vaccine comes available and distribution begins your likely to see restrictions eased over time(not instant, I'm talking over a period of 6 months+), they won't continue until a 2nd generation of vaccine. A vaccine that reduces illness is perfectly acceptable as it reduces pressure on health systems.

If you think restrictions continue long term once a number of vaccine are rolled out thats fine but its very far from reality.

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 01:21PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Will the virus just disappear if people obey the rules?

Who mentioned the virus disappearing? We need to keep numbers as low as possible to mitigate the effects.

Personal responsibility is needed.

Not too hard to keep contacts to a minimum, wear a mask when you have to be close to people and wash/sanitise hands. If everyone did this we would not have needed to jump to crappy level 5. Anyone not following these need to wake up and stop moaning.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 01:21PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

*Fact is some people use this thread for posting actual facts in

*The fact is that currently the numbers are shìt. Thats not the fault of the poster.

*Another fact is that the same people DID post daily figures even when the numbers were low.

Just because actual facts dont support whatever fantasy alternative facts that makes people think everything is awesome does not mean that everyone actually using evidence is a "doom/fear/scare monger".

Some people want reality not fan fiction.

robbiezero · 26-10-2020 01:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Covid will likely exist regardless, its going to be endemic.

Once a vaccine comes available and distribution begins your likely to see restrictions eased over time(not instant, I'm talking over a period of 6 months+), they won't continue until a 2nd generation of vaccine. A vaccine that reduces illness is perfectly acceptable as it reduces pressure on health systems.

If you think restrictions continue long term once a number of vaccine are rolled out thats fine but its very far from reality.

Id imagine some of those that are terrified of the virus will continue restricting themselves while there is any risk however tiny to them.

Stheno · 26-10-2020 01:25PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No my point is that people don't think we need restrictions.
Italy was doing great, now it's not.

Every country has different restrictions. Italy has had fines from the start. Masks must be worn outdoors. So some things stricter some not.

I agree we need restrictions, but trying to compare Italy with here is not logical

I live in Dublin where wet pubs have been shut since March and we are in week six of level 3 then 5

Bars and restaurants are STILL open in Italy

Its apples and oranges tbh

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 01:28PM

Stheno wrote: »

I agree we need restrictions, but trying to compare Italy with here is not logical

I live in Dublin where wet pubs have been shut since March and we are in week six of level 3 then 5

Bars and restaurants are STILL open in Italy

Its apples and oranges tbh

So when pubs closed here did people calmly say.

"Of course we need to close them"

They said "fvck that power hungry Tony hooligan there's no evidence"

When cases began to rise exponentially they said "That's not exponential its just a bit wobbly"

They were here day in / day out trying to convince us the tide wasn't coming in.

Joke

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 01:28PM

Stheno wrote: »

I agree we need restrictions, but trying to compare Italy with here is not logical

I live in Dublin where wet pubs have been shut since March and we are in week six of level 3 then 5

Bars and restaurants are STILL open in Italy

Its apples and oranges tbh

I agree, we can look and see what other countries are doing but there's no comparison given the difference in restrictions various countries have.

giveitholly · 26-10-2020 01:30PM

Will we get swab numbers today or will we have to wait until tomorrow because of the bank holiday?

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 01:31PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Will we get swab numbers today or will we have to wait until tomorrow because of the bank holiday?

Probably tomorrow if other bank holiday weekends are anything to go by

26-10-2020 01:31PM

It seems we are far from the only ones having problems with track and trace as the numbers rise. And with a far lower infection rate than us:

Meanwhile authorities in Berlin, which already for several weeks has been considered one of the nation’s coronavirus hotspots, have said they will veer away from tracking and tracing those infected with coronavirus due to a lack of resources, and will rely instead on infected persons taking responsibility for themselves and going into isolation at home as well as taking the initiative in contacting people with whom they have been in touch..........

Berlin cases have been well over 100 per 100,000 for several days, over double the critical 50 per 100,000 marker.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/26/coronavirus-live-news-us-sees-new-case-highs-as-spain-curfew-begins

Professor Moriarty · 26-10-2020 01:32PM

Stheno wrote: »

I agree we need restrictions, but trying to compare Italy with here is not logical

I live in Dublin where wet pubs have been shut since March and we are in week six of level 3 then 5

Bars and restaurants are STILL open in Italy

Its apples and oranges tbh

It might illustrate a possible difference in the behaviour of people in both countries when eating and drinking in pubs and restaurants.

normanoffside · 26-10-2020 01:33PM

Blondini wrote: »

Highest covid hospital numbers since May

344 in hospital
39 in ICU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173952-covid-hospital/

45% of those patients were infected inside the hospotals having been admitted for other reasons.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1320700796498042880

tom1ie · 26-10-2020 01:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Covid will likely exist regardless, its going to be endemic. The actual virus that causes infection will exist unless there's immunity or eradication.

Once a vaccine comes available and distribution begins your likely to see restrictions eased over time(not instant, I'm talking over a period of 6 months+), they won't continue until a 2nd generation of vaccine. A vaccine that reduces illness is perfectly acceptable as it reduces pressure on health systems.

If you think restrictions continue long term once a number of vaccine are rolled out thats fine but its very far from reality.

Sd, masks, sanitising hands will stay in place even with a vaccine.
70% exposure rate will have to be reached globally before the virus stops spreading.
Once a vaccine is rolled out you don’t magically reach 70%.
It takes time to roll it out.

ShooterSF · 26-10-2020 01:35PM

manniot2 wrote: »

These Garda tweets showing them going into shops and blocking off the boxes of celebrations are such a fooking embarrassment to this country and a shameful use of resources. How can their commissioner stand over this.

We're at our highest level re: restrictions during a global pandemic, what the f* do people need boxes of chocolates for? Also how is it "essential retail". I'm out of work until bars can reopen and have had to do my entire semester in college from home but people can't forego some chocolate for 6 weeks while we try and reel in a pandemic? It's the retailers who should be embarrassed trying to ignore the regulations to make some extra cash. What do you want the Gardai to do if not enforce regulations on greedy businesses during a national health crisis?

Funsterdelux · 26-10-2020 01:36PM

1641 wrote: »

It seems we are far from the only ones having problems with track and trace as the numbers rise. And with a far lower infection rate than us:

Meanwhile authorities in Berlin, which already for several weeks has been considered one of the nation’s coronavirus hotspots, have said they will veer away from tracking and tracing those infected with coronavirus due to a lack of resources, and will rely instead on infected persons taking responsibility for themselves and going into isolation at home as well as taking the initiative in contacting people with whom they have been in touch..........

Berlin cases have been well over 100 per 100,000 for several days, over double the critical 50 per 100,000 marker.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/26/coronavirus-live-news-us-sees-new-case-highs-as-spain-curfew-begins

Sauerkraut and boiled cabbage Im afraid

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 01:36PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

We're at our highest level re: restrictions during a global pandemic, what the f* do people need boxes of chocolates for? Also how is it "essential retail". I'm out of work until bars can reopen and have had to do my entire semester in college from home but people can't forego some chocolate for 6 weeks while we try and reel in a pandemic? It's the retailers who should be embarrassed trying to ignore the regulations to make some extra cash. What do you want the Gardai to do if not enforce regulations on greedy businesses during a national health crisis?

I see there is much joy in your life!

mr zulu · 26-10-2020 01:37PM

normanoffside wrote: »

45% of those patients were infected inside the hospotals having been admitted for other reasons.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1320700796498042880

Don't be posting news like that, we want negative facts only.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 01:37PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Sauerkraut and boiled cabbage Im afraid

Sauerkraut is cabbage!

Funsterdelux · 26-10-2020 01:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sauerkraut is cabbage!

But its not boiled!

Sawduck · 26-10-2020 01:38PM

Reading back over the last 20 pages or so it seems a lot of people want to ban everything, do you not think we have enough misery going on right now, relax and have a walk instead

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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