Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

robbiezero · 26-10-2020 12:39PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Of course behaviour is prolonging this.

There are scientifically proven ways to mitigate viruses spreading and behaviour ignoring these will prolong restrictions.

The anti mask, anti sensible precaution brigade are the ones that will prolong this.

Will the virus just disappear if people obey the rules?

JP100 · 26-10-2020 12:39PM

leanin2019 wrote: »

I tend to agree (individual cases and transmission are hard to track outside the household etc) but any reduction in numbers wouldn't show up till after the mid term is finish

Am I wrong to say that cases rose rapidly around the same time as when schools and also wet pubs opened nationwide?

The real recent surge has definitely timed with schools returning but I would be hesitant to just simply throw in wet pubs as well. As it wasn't that difficult to get a drink before wet pubs came back on stream. People were drinking lots in pubs where food was supposedly being served with the food part then often being ignored. I know several pubs in rural areas where this craic went on.

GazzaL · 26-10-2020 12:42PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So Dunnes in Kilnamanagh have had to close the clothes shop part
Wine and beer are deemed essential but not a warm hat for a baby or a pair of shoes for a child ?

You could buy a bag of chips from a takeaway and put it on the baby's head to keep them warm.

Blondini · 26-10-2020 12:43PM

Highest covid hospital numbers since May

344 in hospital
39 in ICU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173952-covid-hospital/

seamus · 26-10-2020 12:44PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So Dunnes in Kilnamanagh have had to close the clothes shop part
Wine and beer are deemed essential but not a warm hat for a baby or a pair of shoes for a child ?

Dunnes moved all their baby clothes out of the clothes section and into the supermarket

Really though the spirit of this is that "essential" are things you need to be able to buy on-demand and may not be able to wait for.

Clothing is essential, but it's never urgent. Dunnes can still sell clothes on a click-and-collect basis.

I appreciate why they're doing this, but really it only serves to make people even more irritated with the whole thing.

26-10-2020 12:44PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Interesting. So do you think people refusing to isolate while waiting for the test results/just refusing to even get tested has no impact on the spread of the virus?

That's not what was said. You think that's prolonging it, it isn't. It might make it more widespread, but this isn't going to end sooner if more people isolate.

JP100 · 26-10-2020 12:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

TBH I don't think we can guess at that until we see what NPHET does over this 6 weeks. Whenever we come out of it we'll have indicators as to what is considered Level 3. The government definitely don't want any more of these and IMO will hold firm against any data that is not looking like crippling the health system.

Obviously all dependent on numbers but it would be great I think for the national psyche and morale if the country could be somewhat open for our national holiday. Particularly after moving out of a tough winter and in to the spring-time again and the symbolism around all of that.

mr zulu · 26-10-2020 12:46PM

Blondini wrote: »

Highest covid hospital numbers since May

344 in hospital
39 in ICU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173952-covid-hospital/

And u wonder why people are calling the posts like this scare mongering.

bennyl10 · 26-10-2020 12:48PM

mr zulu wrote: »

And u wonder why people are calling the posts like this scare mongering.

Fact is scare mongering?

JP100 · 26-10-2020 12:48PM

Blondini wrote: »

Highest covid hospital numbers since May

344 in hospital
39 in ICU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173952-covid-hospital/

Very depressing.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 12:49PM

mr zulu wrote: »

And u wonder why people are calling the posts like this scare mongering.

Scare mongering ? From what I can tell it’s just imparting facts.

Paddygreen · 26-10-2020 12:50PM

leanin2019 wrote: »

Am I wrong to say that cases rose rapidly around the same time as when schools and also wet pubs opened nationwide?

I would go so far as to admonish the damp pubs also. The substantial meals seemed to keep the virus from flourishing by providing just enough soakage to keep rambunctiousness at bay for the allowed time period. There were of course antisocial types, many of whom are super spreaders, who had several substantial meals in a row just so they could get absolutely steamed and make a show of themselves as they spread the virus.

Blondini · 26-10-2020 12:50PM

mr zulu wrote: »

And u wonder why people are calling the posts like this scare mongering.

No, if I ran around screaming "we are all going to die OMFG", that would be scare mongering.

Posting a news story from RTE is not.

Simple.

mr zulu · 26-10-2020 12:50PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Fact is scare mongering?

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

seamus · 26-10-2020 12:51PM

Blondini wrote: »

Highest covid hospital numbers since May

344 in hospital
39 in ICU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173952-covid-hospital/

I wouldn't be overly concerned. Bank holiday weekend. If a patient hasn't been discharged on a Friday, they're unlikely to be discharged until Tuesday unless their doctor is working the weekend.

Nevertheless even with dropping case numbers there is a stinging tail because it takes 2-4 weeks for ordinary symptoms to require hospitalisation.

xhomelezz · 26-10-2020 12:51PM

:rolleyes:

mr zulu wrote: »

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:52PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

It probably would. There are certain things the media obsess about. That said the ICU numbers are moving up very slowly, that's a positive.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 12:52PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

You claimed it was scaremongering, it plainly isn’t.

Information, good or bad is posted here in a relative manner to it being available.

twowheelsonly · 26-10-2020 12:53PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Will the virus just disappear if people obey the rules?

Well things definitely won't get worse if people obey the rules.

This is what obeying the rules gets you....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173937-melbourne-restrictions/

nacho libre · 26-10-2020 12:54PM

JP100 wrote: »

Very depressing.

Yes, but there are grounds for optimism - this could be the peak of admissions - we often find admissions peak before cases begin to decline.
Also less people seem to be succumbing to covid 19 than they were back in March.
This is in part due to better treatment options now.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:56PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Well things definitely won't get worse if people obey the rules.

This is what obeying the rules gets you....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173937-melbourne-restrictions/

Indeed 4 months of total lockdown in a Zero Covid strategy. The pity is if they get more cases they'll probably do exactly the same thing again.

GT89 · 26-10-2020 12:57PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Depending on the situation, what you deem as non essential food items may well be essential to another family due to circumstances that you clearly know absolutely nothing about.

There are many children who through specific diagnosed medical conditions will only eat specific brands of some foods, and will end up hungry if those brands cannot be purchased. Some brands may not be tolerated due to additives contained in them, which may cause serious reactions to some people.

In the same vein, someone who is working in essential services may well require clothing items to replace items that have been contaminated or damaged at work and can no longer be worn. How do you suggest they should be dealt with?

My argument is purely hypothetical. I believe if the government deem clothes un essential then they too should deem alcohol and certain grocery items un essiential also. It proves the point that all items and all businesses are essential.

Hrududu · 26-10-2020 12:57PM

AdamD wrote: »

That's not what was said. You think that's prolonging it, it isn't. It might make it more widespread, but this isn't going to end sooner if more people isolate.

It might make it more widespread. But making it more widespread isn’t going to prolong it. Do I have that right?

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 12:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It probably would. There are certain things the media obsess about. That said the ICU numbers are moving up very slowly, that's a positive.

To be fair I didnt see any articles highlighting at the end of the week there how there was a few days where numbers were very stable and the first decrease 2 days in a row for a long time. I might be wrong and there was but didn't see any myself.

They do seem to be highlighting the positivity rate dropping for sure.

I spotted an article in the Independent yesterday having a go at George Lee, it was a bit petty but some stuff was fairly accurate.

Edit: here it is https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/trust-armageddon-george-to-amplify-nphets-message-39664387.html

Strumms · 26-10-2020 12:58PM

GT89 wrote: »

My argument is purely hypothetical. I believe if the government deem clothes un essential then they too should deem alcohol and certain grocery items un essiential also. It proves the point that all items and all businesses are essential.

You’d have a job convincing a judge of that.

Blondini · 26-10-2020 12:59PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Fact is if numbers dropped it woulnt be posted so fast.

Are you kidding me?

This thread is rightly optimistic every day here when the numbers are announced and there is any improvement in rates etc. It's always positive at that time of day if things seem to be heading in the right direction.

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 12:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed 4 months of total lockdown in a Zero Covid strategy. The pity is if they get more cases they'll probably do exactly the same thing again.

And they will get more cases ...
so then what ?

robbiezero · 26-10-2020 12:59PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Well things definitely won't get worse if people obey the rules.

This is what obeying the rules gets you....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173937-melbourne-restrictions/

You get 4 months of lockdown if you obey the rules?
Not great.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 01:03PM

This thing is relentless and the trends are obvious. Unfortunately for EVERYONE the only proven thing that works is to try and keep people separate. Doubling time in Italy for all of these metrics is ~ 8 days.

Leo was dead wrong to say we should look at hospitalisations and ICU as primary metrics for our response. That may have been true if we can protect the vulnerable but we can't if there is community transmission and there is. There is a lag for sure but then it hits all at once.

Just to add our cases go up and down etc but follow a similar curve. We've added significant restrictions so we should be off the trajectory but people will say "see what was the point it didn't even go up". :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 01:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This thing is relentless and the trends are obvious. Unfortunately for EVERYONE the only proven thing that works is to try and keep people separate. Doubling time in Italy for all of these metrics is ~ 8 days.

Leo was dead wrong to say we should look at hospitalisations and ICU as primary metrics for our response. That may have been true if we can protect the vulnerable but we can't if there is community transmission and there is. There is a lag for sure but then it hits all at once.

Just to add our cases go up and down etc but follow a similar curve. We've added significant restrictions so we should be off the trajectory but people will say "see what was the point it didn't even go up". :rolleyes:

What does this have to do with us? They’re mutually exclusive.
And some wonder why people on here hate scaremongering.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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