Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

manniot2 · 24-10-2020 09:19PM

mloc123 wrote: »

The N4 around Liffey Valley was dead today, compared to the last few months. Click and collect or not.. there is nowhere near the same volume of people out and about.

People will still go and buy the stuff they want/need but you won't have the people heading for a walk around the shops to get out of the house.

Airside was busy today. Not as busy as a usual Saturday, but def not quiet either

WoollyRedHat · 24-10-2020 09:20PM

Anyone got any indication as to why the likes of Cyprus, Finland, Estonia, Liechtenstein and Norway aren't facing any significant second wave?

Roger_007 · 24-10-2020 09:20PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I see clothes shops getting around closure by click and collect.
You still have to go to the door and collect your purchase.
That kind of defeates the purpose as I'm sure not every customer is from within a 5km radius.

If people are not going in to the shops, then what’s the problem. The purpose of the regulations is to stop people congregating in enclosed spaces. Some business owners try to carry on their business in a safe way. They should be applauded rather than abused by people who seem to care little about the lives and livelihoods of hard-working business owners who we will need to restart the economy when this is all over.

I Am The Law · 24-10-2020 09:22PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Airside was busy today. Not as busy as a usual Saturday, but def not quiet either

Airside, probably the runways.

mloc123 · 24-10-2020 09:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who would go shopping for a walk

Quite a lot of people every weekend... "Going for a look in the shops".

Purple Mountain · 24-10-2020 09:24PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If people are not going in to the shops, then what’s the problem. The purpose of the regulations is to stop people congregating in enclosed spaces. Some business owners try to carry on their business in a safe way. They should be applauded rather than abused by people who seem to care little about the lives and livelihoods of hard-working business owners who we will need to restart the economy when this is all over.

I get what you're saying but this is Ireland.
Next week we'll see people queuing at the door for their click and collect purchase, then see something else they like on a shelf behind the cordon.
'Oh can I just come in and grab that please?' will start happening.

Jim_Hodge · 24-10-2020 09:25PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Heaven forbid

That's kind of the point of the restriction.

mloc123 · 24-10-2020 09:26PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I get what you're saying but this is Ireland.
Next week we'll see people queuing at the door for their click and collect purchase, then see something else they like on a shelf behind the cordon.
'Oh can I just come in and grab that please?' will start happening.

Click and collect is all pay online? So I can't see how that will happen. I was in power city earlier, collecting.. no tills open, paid online and showed the email on arrival... No option to grab a packet of batteries etc.. while there.

Jim_Hodge · 24-10-2020 09:27PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I get what you're saying but this is Ireland.
Next week we'll see people queuing at the door for their click and collect purchase, then see something else they like on a shelf behind the cordon.
'Oh can I just come in and grab that please?' will start happening.

They tried that last time and it didn't work. No item ordered no sale. Most shops didn't let you in the door.

Roger_007 · 24-10-2020 09:31PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Anyone got any indication as to why the likes of Cyprus, Finland, Estonia, Liechtenstein and Norway aren't facing any significant second wave?

Their turn will come.
The more ‘successful’ countries have been in suppressing the virus, the more vulnerable they are. The virus isn’t going to ‘reward’ people for being ‘good’.

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 09:32PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Quite a lot of people every weekend... "Going for a look in the shops".

Good Lord. In a shopping centre?

Whatever about a meander around town (gone now for me, it is the deadzone), I don't get why anyone would want to be in a large enclosed shopping centre these days. But maybe I am older and more crotchety. Hands up!

jammiedodgers · 24-10-2020 09:35PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Anyone got any indication as to why the likes of Cyprus, Finland, Estonia, Liechtenstein and Norway aren't facing any significant second wave?

No GAA clubs?

:pac:

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 09:36PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Click and collect is all pay online? So I can't see how that will happen. I was in power city earlier, collecting.. no tills open, paid online and showed the email on arrival... No option to grab a packet of batteries etc.. while there.

Maybe that has changed but I beg to differ. Ordered something for click and collect. Fine got in and asked the guy if it was possible to get two more small items that I had forgotten about, he said yes, got them for me, and said now you have to go to the cash desk to pay. It was so easy. You just can't browse instore anymore, but I got what I wanted.

Loafing Oaf · 24-10-2020 09:37PM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

No GAA clubs?

:pac:

Not entirely true:P
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/clubs/finland/helsinki-harps-gaa/
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/clubs/norway/oslo-gaa/

Fakediamond · 24-10-2020 09:37PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Now I can't be certain, lads, but are they gaelic tops they're wearing there? And would they be singing about being county champions?

I'd imagine a few of those faces would be known locally.

Looks a bit like this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/BRcaxHBhyJkNLrDi8

WoollyRedHat · 24-10-2020 09:40PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Their turn will come.
The more ‘successful’ countries have been in suppressing the virus, the more vulnerable they are. The virus isn’t going to ‘reward’ people for being ‘good’.

I think Czech Republic is case in point.

s1ippy · 24-10-2020 09:41PM

https://twitter.com/gpt2_bowers/status/1320058725277761541?s=20
The Bowers bot shares some of its sage wisdom with us. Possibly the most empathetic AI out there.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2020 09:45PM

Today's news from Europe.

Italy, Austria, Belgium, Portgual and France all reporting record rise in cases and continuing surge in hospitalisations.
Italy is to introduce strict curfews and tighten restrictions in the coming days according to a leaked draft of measures for the PM.
The Netherlands is to begin transferring patients to Germany as it's hospital system is under severe pressure.
The Czech Republic has officially requested aid from the EU to deal with it's own surge.
In Spain the government is pleading for regions to take action now to slow the spread of the disease. If they continue to obstruct the central government will have to take action for them.
The UK has seen it's highest Saturday rise in cases and fatalities since the beginning of the outbreak.
Germany seeing it's worst weekend surge in cases since the outbreak began in March.

WoollyRedHat · 24-10-2020 09:46PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Not entirely true:P
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/clubs/finland/helsinki-harps-gaa/
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/clubs/norway/oslo-gaa/

Oh my, they're everywhere just like this virus!

I think the likes of big shops such as Tesco and Dunne's should be allowed sell clothing etc but there should be a one-off Pandemic tax on income generated fron 2020 applied to them, which could be reinvested to help support businesses heavily impacted by restrictions get back on their feet. I think EU should encourage members to adopt such a measure.

Irish Steve · 24-10-2020 09:46PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'm no granny killer, but at some stage in the very near future we are going to reach an economic pinch point.

I think we can open up and get on with life, while not being reckless and still taking sensible precautions.

And I was strongly in favour of these heavy restrictions in the beginning, when we knew very little about this virus and needed to proceed carefully. It made sense back then... but we can't follow this ultra cautious strategy indefinitely. It will be disastrous to our economy and to our lives in general.

If we didn't have shebeens in various places, and GAA clubs causing massive spikes as a result of their team winning, and "wet pubs" breaking all the rules to open the doors, (among other things), we'd not be needing to go into the sort of restrictions that we have.

The object of closing non essential stuff down is to try and persuade people to stay at home. Not go window shopping, or browsing for "nice to have" items. That's why the pubs and restaurants are closed. That's why public transport is running with massively reduced capacity.

That way, casual contact is reduced.

There is also the problem that we have to try and resolve the issue of a dysfuntional health system, which has been brought into sharp focus as a result of Covid on top of the normal issues that caused trolley overcrowding for longer than I can remember.

Add to that the ongoing shambles of the sanitiser, and it's clear that there's a massive shake up needed, preferrably yesterday.

iamwhoiam · 24-10-2020 09:47PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Click and collect is all pay online? So I can't see how that will happen. I was in power city earlier, collecting.. no tills open, paid online and showed the email on arrival... No option to grab a packet of batteries etc.. while there.

Last time I went to Power City in lockdown I asked for hoover bags and he went and got them for me no bother

mloc123 · 24-10-2020 09:48PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good Lord. In a shopping centre?

Whatever about a meander around town (gone now for me, it is the deadzone), I don't get why anyone would want to be in a large enclosed shopping centre these days. But maybe I am older and more crotchety. Hands up!

Hey, it is my idea of hell... But people do it. Walk around, look in the shops.. food court for lunch and home.

I Am The Law · 24-10-2020 09:49PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gpt2_bowers/status/1320058725277761541?s=20
The Bowers bot shares some of its sage wisdom with us. Possibly the most empathetic AI out there.

Yep. Totally agree, this wouldn't never have happened in any of the last 5 decades.

Jim_Hodge · 24-10-2020 09:51PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Last time I went to Power City in lockdown I asked for hoover bags and he went and got them for me no bother

One anecdote. I can give you three where people were refused at Argos, Curry's and a local independent store. You'll always have some idiot not sticking to the letter of the rules.

I Am The Law · 24-10-2020 09:52PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Last time I went to Power City in lockdown I asked for hoover bags and he went and got them for me no bother

Way to go MF.

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 09:55PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

If we didn't have shebeens in various places, and GAA clubs causing massive spikes as a result of their team winning, and "wet pubs" breaking all the rules to open the doors, (among other things), we'd not be needing to go into the sort of restrictions that we have.

The object of closing non essential stuff down is to try and persuade people to stay at home. Not go window shopping, or browsing for "nice to have" items. That's why the pubs and restaurants are closed. That's why public transport is running with massively reduced capacity.

That way, casual contact is reduced.

There is also the problem that we have to try and resolve the issue of a dysfuntional health system, which has been brought into sharp focus as a result of Covid on top of the normal issues that caused trolley overcrowding for longer than I can remember.

Add to that the ongoing shambles of the sanitiser, and it's clear that there's a massive shake up needed, preferrably yesterday.

Many don't or won't do sensible anymore though. Too used to freedom to do what they want, and will do it despite everything. And that includes every age group to be fair.

Locking down works. We can see that after six weeks L3 is working, but just not enough for the Winter Peak. So L5 might just let us have a bit of interraction for Christmas, and then we are back where we were again.

We live in hope.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2020 09:57PM

Deaths in Europe will soon be exceeding daily US fatality rates if the latter's fatality rate climb does not accelerate faster (which seems unlikely given their own renewed surge)

USEUROPE.jpg?itok=t3tUDH_7

iamwhoiam · 24-10-2020 10:03PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One anecdote. I can give you three where people were refused at Argos, Curry's and a local independent store. You'll always have some idiot not sticking to the letter of the rules.

I genuinely don’t understand when I post something that happened why someone will pop along with “ one anecdote “
I never once said it was any one else’s experience or that anyone elses story was wrong ?

I had ordered a kettle and some other bits and he got the hoover bags . Can you explain how this kindness exposed me to more Covid than the kettle I ordered ?

iamwhoiam · 24-10-2020 10:04PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

Way to go MF.

No idea what that means

Steve F · 24-10-2020 10:04PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070429.html
Thoughts on this please.
Possible vaccine available in Ireland by year end?

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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