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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #4472
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Jimson wrote: »
    Yea I've looked at all the data, that is only for people who show symptoms and got tested.

    The younger you are the more asymptomatic you are.
    There could be a class of 30 now in a school and not one of them show symptoms.

    How do you not get that.

    UK ONS data - take a look. Random sample, so totally unbiased. It proves lower rates of infection in school children than in young adults. Massively lower for primary school children. It's great data, and totally debunks your asymptomatic theory. Yes, it's UK data but zero reason to think it would be different here.


  • #4473
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    UK ONS data - take a look. Random sample, so totally unbiased. It proves lower rates of infection in school children than in young adults. Massively lower for primary school children. It's great data, and totally debunks your asymptomatic theory. Yes, it's UK data but zero reason to think it would be different here.

    I have and don't believe everything you read on one sample of information.

    Why were stable at 50 a day until the schools reopened.
    Why is that?


  • #4474
    lostintipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ✭lostintipp


    Jimson wrote: »
    Yea I've looked at all the data, that is only for people who show symptoms and got tested.

    The younger you are the more asymptomatic you are.
    There could be a class of 30 now in a school and not one of them show symptoms.

    How do you not get that. Your going on numbers when people showed symptoms and got tested.

    Schools are much better environments than meet factories and nursing homes are they they?

    But you think that these asymptomatic children go round infecting everyone other than their own parents, because as the parents are probably adults then they are unlikely to be asymptomatic, so once the parents get sick and get tested they also test the their children.


  • #4475
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Jimson wrote: »
    I have and don't believe everything you read on one sample of information.

    Why were stable at 50 a day until the schools reopened.
    Why is that?

    You don't believe a large random sample, retested every single week? If you're not going to take account of data when forming your views, then I'm afraid this discussion is pointless


  • #4476
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The positive cases are up to midnight last night, I'm sure they can ask for some of today's cases if they wanted to get a higher number! Would be stretching it though. Serves no purpose.

    With the bank holiday, we won't have the swab details till Tuesday, I hate this flying blind into the announcement at 6ish with case numbers.

    We have daily swab data now including Sunday so Bank holiday Monday should be the same


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  • #4477
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Jimson wrote: »
    I have and don't believe everything you read on one sample of information.

    Why were stable at 50 a day until the schools reopened.
    Why is that?

    Possibly nothing to do with children but possibly parents gossiping outside,


  • #4478
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Stheno wrote: »
    Over 15k cases in Czechia which would be the equivalent of 7k cases here

    I've been waiting to hear about the causes in Czechia


  • #4479
    ziggyman17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    hopefully if cases drop, we will get to see restaurants and pubs open with the proper restrictions in place, so we can go out and enjoy a meal and drink this Christmas,


  • #4480
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Possibly nothing to do with children but possibly parents gossiping outside,

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1007/1170104-schools-covid-19/

    Yea nothing to do with parents.


  • #4481
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    are we the only EU/western country seeing a stabilization/decrease?


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  • #4482
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    You don't believe a large random sample, retested every single week? If you're not going to take account of data when forming your views, then I'm afraid this discussion is pointless

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1007/1170104-schools-covid-19/


    Keep looking at pointless stats though. I'm sure there not passing onto parents or their siblings though.


  • #4483
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It's scandalous. If we get numbers low again, they need to be doing something with incoming passengers into the country with mandatory quarantine. Complete disregard for the health of the people living here to allow such abuse of their "advice".

    I’d say the Americans and french are just mad to come to Ireland to get a taste of Irish cead Mile failte during the strictest lockdown of any country in Europe.


  • #4484
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    prunudo wrote: »
    Was he not wearing a mask?

    No he wasn't.
    But the only bus stop before checkpoint is 15 miles earlier.
    Would he even have been allowed on the bus without one.
    I assume it was mask related or non essential travel led to his ejection.


  • #4485
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Level 3 worked, yet they ****ed the whole country into level 5. #ThanksTony

    It slows growth

    It doesn’t drop it to the level needed

    If level 5 drops us to a virtually 0 R then it was the right call


  • #4486
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    This is a seasonal disease. Why is it so hard for people to understand that it was going to increase in the winter as businesses opened and people continued to do normal activities?


  • #4487
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Anyone have a link to that chart that shows the current restriction strictness per country?


  • #4488
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    This is a seasonal disease. Why is it so hard for people to understand that it was going to increase in the winter as businesses opened and people continued to do normal activities?

    Is it? Florida, Texas etc were getting almost 9-10k cases a day during the summer. It just got so low here because we really lowered the amount of cases in the community to basically nothing. That took a while to build back up, is my opinion anyway


  • #4489
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    This is a seasonal disease. Why is it so hard for people to understand that it was going to increase in the winter as businesses opened and people continued to do normal activities?

    Tell that to the middle east

    Obviously it's going to increase in winter but it doesn't dissappear in heat or summer.


  • #4490
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Jimson wrote: »
    Why were stable at 50 a day until the schools reopened.
    Why is that?
    We weren't. We were at 150 a day and rising.


  • #4491
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It slows growth

    It doesn’t drop it to the level needed
    We don't know that yet. We won't know until around 4th Nov.


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  • #4492
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    Over 15k cases in Czechia which would be the equivalent of 7k cases here

    I see too they sacked their health minister for breaching his own restrictions only hours after enacting them.


  • #4493
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It slows growth

    It doesn’t drop it to the level needed

    Yeah you're kind of stuck in level 3 indefinitely because if you relax restrictions at a time of 700-1000 cases per day, it'll quickly get out of control.


  • #4494
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    are we the only EU/western country seeing a stabilization/decrease?

    It's looking that way at the moment alright. Norway/Finland still have low cases numbers albeit rising.


  • #4495
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Regarding the UK, i have been trying to find out why they report death figures for those who tested positive within the previous 28 days only.

    Surely this excludes those who died after the 28 days, which could be many, and so underestimates the real death figure?


  • #4496
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    This is a seasonal disease. Why is it so hard for people to understand that it was going to increase in the winter as businesses opened and people continued to do normal activities?

    On what plane of existence is this a seasonal disease?


  • #4497
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    How many deaths a day are we averaging now
    4 deaths on average per day at the moment. With the three-week lag, that is in keeping with the 1% case fatality rate for the average of 392 cases on October 2nd.
    In keeping with that, an average of 11 people per day will be dying in three weeks. Whether you feel that's high or low is your own call.


  • #4498
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Regarding the UK, i have been trying to find out why they report death figures for those who tested positive within the previous 28 days only.

    Surely this excludes those who died after the 28 days, which could be many, and so underestimates the real death figure?

    The UK seem to be constantly shifting the goalposts when it comes to the reporting of COVID-19 deaths, about 2 months ago they knocked over 5000 deaths from their total. In the past week I read that well in excess of 60,000 death certs mentioned COVID-19 on them. Back in the first peak hardly a day went by without coming across articles on reputable news sites claiming the real death figure was 25 to 30% higher.


  • #4499
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Regarding the UK, i have been trying to find out why they report death figures for those who tested positive within the previous 28 days only.

    Surely this excludes those who died after the 28 days, which could be many, and so underestimates the real death figure?

    On the other hand they may also be including people who died from entirely different causes but who happened to have had a positive test within 28 days.


  • #4500
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It's looking that way at the moment alright. Norway/Finland still have low cases numbers albeit rising.

    im all for a bit of positivity but is that not a bit odd tbh, we have one of the worst healthcare systems in the EU, our contact tracing is falling apart, our education system is also one of the worst with regards numbers and resources in the eu, we have an open border with the North which is particularly bad. How the hell are we bringing numbers down when no one else can?


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  • #4501
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Regarding the UK, i have been trying to find out why they report death figures for those who tested positive within the previous 28 days only.

    Surely this excludes those who died after the 28 days, which could be many, and so underestimates the real death figure?

    That only applies to people who had COVID and recovered. If someone dies in hospital they still count regardless of the length of time since a test.


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