Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

GooglePlus · 23-10-2020 07:39PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

What percentage have the app on their phones now, surely that is working

My sister tested positive and they didn't even ask her to upload close contacts..

Widdensushi · 23-10-2020 07:39PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

What percentage have the app on their phones now, surely that is working

34% of over 16 s in the country, I thought it would be more to be honest

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 07:39PM

Blondini wrote: »

Source?

TV screen? My eyes?

Actually to be honest its more like Jackass lite than the YBF of Jeremy Beadle's time.

Turtwig · 23-10-2020 07:40PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Rolling out Tony for a dose of propaganda tonight. When will people wake up.

Do you consider yourself awake?

pjohnson · 23-10-2020 07:40PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Shame on the people. Lock them up, peasants.

So who is responsible for a persons actions if not themselves?

Whats this new theory that absolves any and all responsibility?

polesheep · 23-10-2020 07:41PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Assuming that the person with the positive result rings them. I know of a case where close contacts of a positive case begged that person not to mention them when the tracers called as they are self employed.

The whole system is based on honesty and humans can be weak and self centered.

True, that's why I said 'more likely'.

23-10-2020 07:44PM

Boggles wrote: »

Tracing collapsed nearly 3 weeks ago and by the sounds it has got worse.

We simply are finding less cases now then we were before that.

Track and Trace 101.

How many more indicators of a clusterfúck behind the scenes do we need before we declare it a clusterfúck?

NPHET are very protective of the public health officials doing the tracking and tracing and Nolan especially goes out of his way nearly every briefing to praise them to the nth degree because he well knows how much pressure they are under and if they down tools we are proper fúcked.

“The positive rate is rising, proof tracing has collapsed”

“Actually the positive rate has now been falling for a number of days”

“The positive rate is falling, proof tracing has collapsed”

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 07:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

A lot of self-employed were on the lowest PUP rate and could see huge hits to their income and getting the supports which were in place wasn't easy at all. It's also very easy to reach the moral higher ground when you're paid by the State!

Good low blow there. Anything constructive to add?

AUDI20 · 23-10-2020 07:44PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Guys Youve Been Framed is on ITV2

A cat chased a bear up a tree

Really, What Time?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 23-10-2020 07:48PM

seamus wrote: »

That's reaching tbh. Why would the list they draw up be any different to the list they give the contact tracers? It wouldn't.

Tbh it sounds like you're looking for any reason to explain a drop in cases that doesn't concede that the situation is improving.

The explanation that makes the fewest assumptions is that the infection rate is actually slowing down.

Why wouldn't someone give the same list to the contact tracers. They do quiet a bit more than ask who you have contacted.

They do mini risk assessments. If someone worked in an office and was asked their close contacts I'd name everyone in the office. The contact tracers might interview them as to how much space is between desks, are there other mitigation factors in place etc.

The contact tracers might identify 2 or 3 people into a group of close contacts that turn out to be 13% positive. An individual naming the entire office might identify 10 or 15.

I see it as common sense. You seem to giving the average person a lot of credit. I'm not that positive I'm afraid.

spookwoman · 23-10-2020 07:49PM

polesheep wrote: »

Perhaps, or perhaps they prefer to leave that to the tracers. I don't see the reason for rolling your eyes.

21/10/2020

The HSE is to send a text message today asking between 2,000 to 2,500 confirmed cases - who have already been informed by text of their infection - to tell their own close contacts to immediately seek a Covid-19 test
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-learned-of-overwhelmed-contact-tracing-system-from-media-1021330.html

polesheep wrote: »

This is very interesting. I posted yesterday about how I could understand people not going for a test when the receive a call from a contact tracer who refuses to tell them where or when they had contact. If you get a call from a friend or work colleague, however, you can be sure of the contact and you are more likely to get tested.

spookwoman wrote: »

You would think that friend of work colleage would have informed you before the hse contact tracers. :rolleyes:

I roll my eyes because any responsible person would inform their work colleges and friends if they tested positive.

blade1 · 23-10-2020 07:49PM

pjohnson wrote: »

So who is responsible for a persons actions if not themselves?

China!

Widdensushi · 23-10-2020 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

“The positive rate is rising, proof tracing has collapsed”

“Actually the positive rate has now been falling for a number of days”

“The positive rate is falling, proof tracing has collapsed”

On top of that when the Swabs weren't high enough earlier it was cases that mattered, it's always glass half empty.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 07:50PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

Really, What Time?

Now!

I'll get the VHS ready next time

Blondini · 23-10-2020 07:51PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Now!

I'll get the VHS ready next time

Clip just on there of a fella eating a shoe. Gas.

owlbethere · 23-10-2020 07:53PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Rolling out Tony for a dose of propaganda tonight. When will people wake up.

I know it's Friday and we are in lockdown and the social life is dry and the weather is sh1te:cool: but looking forward sitting down with a bottle while watching the late late. It will be great.

We can do a boards.ie drinking game. Every time coronavirus and virus is mentioned we can have a shot. We will be drunk by 10.30 no doubt.

pjohnson · 23-10-2020 07:54PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I know it's Friday and we are in lockdown and the social life is dry and the weather is sh1te:cool: but looking forward sitting down with a bottle while watching the late late. It will be great.

We can do a boards.ie drinking game. Every time coronavirus and virus is mentioned we can have a shot. We will be drunk by 10.30 no doubt.

Dont be influencing manniott. He may need his parents permission. He is not responsible for his own actions so need to ask his parent/handlers permission.

podgeandrodge · 23-10-2020 07:58PM

First there was Claire Byrne, who had to broadcast from her shed.

Then came Ciara Kelly.

Today it's Kathryn Thomas: 'I think I probably could have had' Covid-19.

Shocking how covid attacks narcissists so much more than ordinary joes.

is_that_so · 23-10-2020 08:01PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Good low blow there. Anything constructive to add?

It's as constructive as your own comments. I know a number of people who got mired in red tape for weeks trying to sort out supports and these are people who'd be comfortable enough with the Revenue merry go round. Some are definitely not and the option of a grand total of €406 for 2 weeks would make some people think twice about being a contact, especially if they are in non-regular employment. If you were PAYE it was almost in your account from Day 1.

Eod100 · 23-10-2020 08:02PM

I find it odd senior politicians are retweeting anonymous accounts tbh https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1319702538808156165?s=19

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 08:03PM

Blondini wrote: »

Clip just on there of a fella eating a shoe. Gas.

He'll be laughing all the way to bank with his £250

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 08:03PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

First there was Claire Byrne, who had to broadcast from her shed.

Then came Ciara Kelly.

Today it's Kathryn Thomas: 'I think I probably could have had' Covid-19.

Shocking how covid attacks narcissists so much more than ordinary joes.

Are they narcissists because they work in TV?

manniot2 · 23-10-2020 08:05PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I find it odd senior politicians are retweeting anonymous accounts tbh https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1319702538808156165?s=19

He’s a FG advisor apparently.

mloc123 · 23-10-2020 08:06PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are they narcissists because they work in TV?

No, they work in TV because they are narcissists

is_that_so · 23-10-2020 08:06PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I find it odd senior politicians are retweeting anonymous accounts tbh https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1319702538808156165?s=19

As they are stats they are likely to be easy to verify. It's something that's been said here by posters for a few days.

GooglePlus · 23-10-2020 08:06PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I find it odd senior politicians are retweeting anonymous accounts tbh https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1319702538808156165?s=19

He's essentially saying "see, I might not have been wrong after all"

Toddlers shouldn't be politicians.

froog · 23-10-2020 08:07PM

i mean do people not think contact tracing is in a shambles right now? they've been crying out for more staff for weeks if not months. last weekend it broke down entirely. not to mention it is fundamentally flawed in the first place, with "close contacts" only being defined as people you were in contact with 48 hours prior to symptom onset. not to mention the debacle in schools contact tracing as told by teachers themselves.

podgeandrodge · 23-10-2020 08:08PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are they narcissists because they work in TV?

No. Plenty of people work on tv of all types.

mloc123 wrote: »

No, they work in TV because they are narcissists

Haha brilliant!

Larbre34 · 23-10-2020 08:08PM

The conversations I was having a week ago were that it took 8 to 10 weeks in the first wave to see a significant drop off in cases, around mid-May.

It was clear to me last week that purely on the maths alone that Level 3 hadn't been given enough time to work, certainly not with adequate enforcement. I understand NPHET didn't want to let the situation get too critical because of the fragility of the ICU capacity, but if they had seen the pattern play out earlier in the year, I feel they could have been more circumspect in pushing for Level 5 at this point. Level 3 with a high level of enactment would have been worth it for another few weeks, in my opinion.

Sierra Oscar · 23-10-2020 08:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does the track and trace (HSE) have to do with reported cases (HPSC)? There's zero correlation.

I assume you are deliberately being obtuse here?

Contact tracing directly impacts on testing considering close contacts are automatically sent forward for testing.

If you are a close contact

If you are a close contact of someone who has tested positive you will receive either:
a call from a contact tracer

an alert on your mobile phone, if you're using the COVID Tracker app

You will have to:
get tested for COVID-19

restrict your movements for 14 days - even if your test comes back negative

A contact tracer will arrange a COVID-19 test for you, even if you do not have symptoms.

Today's figures are positive but downplaying the issues with contact tracing is of little benefit to anyone.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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