Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 07:17PM

pjohnson wrote: »

???

People have been shíting around the place with symptoms while waiting for (their positive) test result.

Why do you suddenly think people are gunna behave responsibly?

You only ever hear about the people who are '****ting around the place' and not the vast majority who do exactly as they're told.
What a bizarre, bizarre way of thinking about people.

froog · 23-10-2020 07:18PM

seamus wrote: »

That's not what you said.

You claimed it would cause a sudden drop in cases. Why?

close contacts are the most likely group to test positive.

contact tracing collapses, at least a good portion of them don't get tested.

immediate drop in cases in the space of a few days.

polesheep · 23-10-2020 07:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just for people's reference:
Community referrals for the first 4 days this week are already higher than the first 4 days last week. Almost as if people are coming forward for testing :rolleyes:
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-23-october-2020.pdf

This is very interesting. I posted yesterday about how I could understand people not going for a test when the receive a call from a contact tracer who refuses to tell them where or when they had contact. If you get a call from a friend or work colleague, however, you can be sure of the contact and you are more likely to get tested.

CruelSummer · 23-10-2020 07:19PM

pjohnson wrote: »

???

People have been shíting around the place with symptoms while waiting for (their positive) test result.

Why do you suddenly think people are gunna behave responsibly?

That’s right, blame the public. Deflect and avoid accountability of our public representatives.
Perhaps you should walk around this evening & see if there’s a video you could take of ‘people not social distancing’ / having fun, congregating, etc. Throw it up on twitter or Facebook & see will the politicians fall over themselves to condemn it? That should distract nicely for a day or two.

froog · 23-10-2020 07:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Will you stop being so miserable and just try be a bit optimistic for once.

lol

i may come across that way now. if you were around back in march you would have seen i was firmly in the optimistic camp and have become more pessimistic as this thing has spiraled out of control.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 23-10-2020 07:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Which would result in the positivity rate increasing, and as a result, cases increasing, which isn't happening.

The positivity rate amount close contacts is around 13%.

The testing positivity rate is much less.

The test numbers is stable the positivity rate is down.

This suggests to me that a lot of people are doing 5their own contact tracing and drawings up casual contacts rather than close contacts. The wrong people are getting tests and the right people aren't.

Therefore case numbers are down and positivity rate is down.

I'm not saying it definitely happened but I certainly feel it's more likely that the national position turning for the positivity at the moment.

Boggles · 23-10-2020 07:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You only ever hear about the people who are '****ting around the place' and not the vast majority who do exactly as they're told.
What a bizarre, bizarre way of thinking about people.

Unfortunately 50pc are not turning up for that second test. The positivity rate for the second test is 2pc or 3pc.

.

spookwoman · 23-10-2020 07:21PM

polesheep wrote: »

This is very interesting. I posted yesterday about how I could understand people not going for a test when the receive a call from a contact tracer who refuses to tell them where or when they had contact. If you get a call from a friend or work colleague, however, you can be sure of the contact and you are more likely to get tested.

You would think that friend of work colleage would have informed you before the hse contact tracers. :rolleyes:

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 07:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Thinking that about people is incredibly naive.

The fella who infected 56 people, one of them who felt sick in the morning but felt better in the evening and continued to go to a party while waiting for results. I seriously don't trust people in this.

seamus · 23-10-2020 07:22PM

froog wrote: »

close contacts are the most likely group to test positive.

contact tracing collapses, at least a good portion of them don't get tested.

immediate drop in cases in the space of a few days.

Symptomatics are the most likely to test positive.

And there has been no decrease in the number of tests being carried out.

If close contacts weren't getting tested, there'd be a drop in tests by 3000-4500 per day.

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 07:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

.

What does that have to do with people not getting referred?

There's a bizarre mentality that everyone in Ireland is an utter c*nt. Weird way of thinking.

hmmm · 23-10-2020 07:23PM

If I was doing my own contact tracing I'd end up contacting too many people. I wouldn't assume there will be a drop in the numbers being tested.

pjohnson · 23-10-2020 07:23PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

That’s right, blame the public. Deflect and avoid accountability of our public representatives.
Perhaps you should walk around this evening & see if there’s a video you could take of ‘people not social distancing’ / having fun, congregating, etc. Throw it up on twitter or Facebook & see will the politicians fall over themselves to condemn it? That should distract nicely for a day or two.

Public representatives have been as much use as a chocolate teapot and the HSE been a complete fùckin shambles this week.

That doesn't mean dopes ignoring symptoms and galavanting around arent thicks aswell. Some members of the public ARE responsible for their own actions.

Well they should be but have no control so therefore everyone has to suffer to try and babysit the eejits.

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 07:23PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The fella who infected 56 people, one of them who felt sick in the morning but felt better in the evening and continued to go to a party while waiting for results. I seriously don't trust people in this.

Because there was nothing stopping that person from not isolating when they come into the country.
But blame the people, right.

wowzer · 23-10-2020 07:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Thinking that about people is incredibly naive.

Naive??? Coming from someone who proclaimed the country would never ever be under nationwide restrictions again.. and while making said proclamation stated they would eat a shoe if it happened.
Your arrogance smugness and condescension is in overdrive this evening.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 07:25PM

polesheep wrote: »

This is very interesting. I posted yesterday about how I could understand people not going for a test when the receive a call from a contact tracer who refuses to tell them where or when they had contact. If you get a call from a friend or work colleague, however, you can be sure of the contact and you are more likely to get tested.

Assuming that the person with the positive result rings them. I know of a case where close contacts of a positive case begged that person not to mention them when the tracers called as they are self employed.

The whole system is based on honesty and humans can be weak and self centered.

CruelSummer · 23-10-2020 07:25PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You would think that friend of work colleage would have informed you before the hse contact tracers. :rolleyes:

People are stigmatised and blamed for testing positive. Perhaps criticised or assumed as to ‘not following the rules’, I really don’t understand why people are surprised if individuals don’t want to come forward. You can get Covid by following every rule, some people seem to think wearing a mask makes you safe from it - it doesn’t.
The media and those constantly blaming members of society for the existence of Covid 19 are to blame for people not coming forward.

pjohnson · 23-10-2020 07:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because there was nothing stopping that person from not isolating when they come into the country.
But blame the people, right.

Christ. This'll be good.

Why should he not be blamed? Are you now saying that its the governments fault that that person made their own irresponsible decision?

"Nothing stopping that person from not isolating" is a great line.

is_that_so · 23-10-2020 07:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because there was nothing stopping that person from not isolating when they come into the country.
But blame the people, right.

Some people have not behaved as they were supposed to but you can't scapegoat anyone that catches it. Yet, had that man self-isolated it would just have been the immediate contacts at risk.

seamus · 23-10-2020 07:27PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

This suggests to me that a lot of people are doing 5their own contact tracing and drawings up casual contacts rather than close contacts. The wrong people are getting tests and the right people aren't.

That's reaching tbh. Why would the list they draw up be any different to the list they give the contact tracers? It wouldn't.

Tbh it sounds like you're looking for any reason to explain a drop in cases that doesn't concede that the situation is improving.

The explanation that makes the fewest assumptions is that the infection rate is actually slowing down.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 07:28PM

Guys Youve Been Framed is on ITV2

A cat chased a bear up a tree

awec · 23-10-2020 07:29PM

Eod100 wrote: »

15,000 in last 14 days. 55,261 cases in total so far, that's nearly 30% of all cases.

Known cases. There is an enormous difference.

It seems likely that during the first wave there were more cases we never knew about than those we did know about, whereas now it is likely that the vast majority are being counted.

I Am The Law · 23-10-2020 07:29PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Assuming that the person with the positive result rings them. I know of a case where close contacts of a positive case begged that person not to mention them when the tracers called as they are self employed.

The whole system is based on honesty and humans can be weak and self centered.

Well the Irish certainly are, duck, dive, lie, we just can't help it.

Blondini · 23-10-2020 07:34PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Guys Youve Been Framed is on ITV2

A cat chased a bear up a tree

Source?

is_that_so · 23-10-2020 07:34PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Assuming that the person with the positive result rings them. I know of a case where close contacts of a positive case begged that person not to mention them when the tracers called as they are self employed.

The whole system is based on honesty and humans can be weak and self centered.

A lot of self-employed were on the lowest PUP rate and could see huge hits to their income and getting the supports which were in place wasn't easy at all. It's also very easy to reach the moral higher ground when you're paid by the State!

Widdensushi · 23-10-2020 07:36PM

What percentage have the app on their phones now, surely that is working

spookwoman · 23-10-2020 07:36PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

People are stigmatised and blamed for testing positive. Perhaps criticised or assumed as to ‘not following the rules’, I really don’t understand why people are surprised if individuals don’t want to come forward. You can get Covid by following every rule, some people seem to think wearing a mask makes you safe from it - it doesn’t.
The media and those constantly blaming members of society for the existence of Covid 19 are to blame for people not coming forward.

People are responsible for their own actions, it's not the media that is spreading the virus, it is people.

manniot2 · 23-10-2020 07:37PM

Rolling out Tony for a dose of propaganda tonight. When will people wake up.

polesheep · 23-10-2020 07:38PM

spookwoman wrote: »

You would think that friend of work colleage would have informed you before the hse contact tracers. :rolleyes:

Perhaps, or perhaps they prefer to leave that to the tracers. I don't see the reason for rolling your eyes.

manniot2 · 23-10-2020 07:38PM

spookwoman wrote: »

People are responsible for their own actions, it's not the media that is spreading the virus, it is people.

Shame on the people. Lock them up, peasants.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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