Mattie McGrath: anti - lockdown champion!

Everlong1 · 23-10-2020 11:32am #1

Is Mattie McGrath trying to position himself as the hero of the anti - lockdown movement? This hysterical Dail performance where he claims the restrictions are like something "under Hitler" would seem to indicate so. It's my first time to hear the bould Mattie in action. If he plans on becoming the vanguard of the resistance and rousing the masses to action with some stirring rhetoric, he'd want to do a bit of work on his thick muckah bogger accent - I can barely understand half of what he's ranting about in this clip.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/this-wouldnt-happen-under-hitler-mattie-mcgrath-opposes-lockdown-legislation-in-dail-39658883.html

mynamejeff · 23-10-2020 11:41am

grand job so mattie ,

front and centre in the next protest and let the garda public order unit go nuts on his big potato head

paw patrol · 23-10-2020 12:19pm

Mattie is spot on , apart from Michael McNamara he is the only TD to question the current insanity from the government.

The rest are absolute donkeys

healy-rae did to a degree but was self serving cos his pub was closed.

Hurrache · 23-10-2020 12:20pm

Mattie McGrath, he's just an all round stupid prick.

****ing moron Godwin's his own speech, invoking mass murder and genocide when talking about a lock down. You clowns might want to research the pogroms.

If any eejit looks at that speech in admiration, you need to revaluate your life.

Everlong1 · 23-10-2020 12:56pm

paw patrol wrote: »

Mattie is spot on , apart from Michael McNamara he is the only TD to question the current insanity from the government.

The rest are absolute donkeys

healy-rae did to a degree but was self serving cos his pub was closed.

There's nothing wrong with questioning the approach, but comparing the Government's actions to the Nazis and trying to whip up hysteria by invoking the ghosts of Dan Breen and co. is just fu*king ludicrous. He's coming across as similar to the American loons who are all out with their assault rifles shouting about God and country. Thankfully most Irish people have a bit more cop on.

paw patrol · 23-10-2020 1:52pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Mattie McGrath, he's just an all round stupid prick.

****ing moron Godwin's his own speech, invoking mass murder and genocide when talking about a lock down. You clowns might want to research the pogroms.

If any eejit looks at that speech in admiration, you need to revaluate your life.

yup I'm going to revaluate my life and what I believe because some goon on boards didn't like the imaginary in a TDs speech :rolleyes:

Rock on Mattie. Rock on.

odyssey06 · 23-10-2020 2:01pm

Mattie, you won't have to worry about being awoken tomorrow morning at dawn to be escorted somewhere for 'your own safety'.
Sadly, that's the difference between Ireland and Nazi Germany*. Also, obviously, the latter would clearly have gone for herd immunity.

* Purely for the context of this post

paw patrol · 23-10-2020 2:02pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with questioning the approach, but comparing the Government's actions to the Nazis and trying to whip up hysteria by invoking the ghosts of Dan Breen and co. is just fu*king ludicrous. He's coming across as similar to the American loons who are all out with their assault rifles shouting about God and country. Thankfully most Irish people have a bit more cop on.

A more reasonable response than the flute above.

Lets discuss, we have these emergency government powers that we have been under since march2020

wrongly imo as I value my personal freedoms and I don't think i should be beholden to the state and secondly I don't think covid is anyway as serious as the restriction would imply (this is for covid forum tbh to debate)

But yesterday - Michael McNamara had a fantastic speech where he outlined these powers were being extended till June 2021 and the bill was being rushed through the dail with him being allowed 50seconds to discuss.

The is a huge freedom deficit there....in both the manner these powers are being implemented and the implications to the citizens of the state. Mattie McGrath was correct in pointing out the authoritarian nature of these changes. He was 100% correct about the effects on Ireland and its' society. You might not agree with his imagery but the points are 100% valid .

It shows our hard won freedoms (won by Dan Breen et al.) aren't as solid as we think and if that doesn't concern you , then I can't really discuss with you.

JohnnyFlash · 23-10-2020 2:03pm

Complete gombeen.

pjdarcy · 23-10-2020 2:06pm

That video needs english subtitles

The Raging Bile Duct · 23-10-2020 2:15pm

Dr. David Nabarro, that Mattie mentioned at the beginning of his speech, from WHO was on Irish radio during the week (the Hard Shoulder?) to say that the Irish lockdown being proposed was entirely appropriate given the rise in figures. He's not against temporary lockdowns to bring the disease under control and get proper systems in place.

Edit: link to interview here - https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/dr-david-nabarro-ive-misquoted-bit-around-place

Strumms · 23-10-2020 2:19pm

paw patrol wrote: »

A more reasonable response than the flute above.

Lets discuss, we have these emergency government powers that we have been under since march2020

wrongly imo as I value my personal freedoms and I don't think i should be beholden to the state and secondly I don't think covid is anyway as serious as the restriction would imply (this is for covid forum tbh to debate)

But yesterday - Michael McNamara had a fantastic speech where he outlined these powers were being extended till June 2021 and the bill was being rushed through the dail with him being allowed 50seconds to discuss.

The is a huge freedom deficit there....in both the manner these powers are being implemented and the implications to the citizens of the state. Mattie McGrath was correct in pointing out the authoritarian nature of these changes. He was 100% correct about the effects on Ireland and its' society. You might not agree with his imagery but the points are 100% valid .

It shows our hard won freedoms (won by Dan Breen et al.) aren't as solid as we think and if that doesn't concern you , then I can't really discuss with you.

You’ll have fuçk all freedom lying in a hospital bed, possibly even ventilated...

As will whoever else catches the fûcking thing from you...

The battle isn’t against freedoms it is against covid, against non restriction ****. What Dan Breen or any other historical being long dead thinks of that is neither here nor there.

Triangle · 23-10-2020 2:20pm

paw patrol wrote: »

A more reasonable response than the flute above.

Lets discuss, we have these emergency government powers that we have been under since march2020

wrongly imo as I value my personal freedoms and I don't think i should be beholden to the state and secondly I don't think covid is anyway as serious as the restriction would imply (this is for covid forum tbh to debate)

But yesterday - Michael McNamara had a fantastic speech where he outlined these powers were being extended till June 2021 and the bill was being rushed through the dail with him being allowed 50seconds to discuss.

The is a huge freedom deficit there....in both the manner these powers are being implemented and the implications to the citizens of the state. Mattie McGrath was correct in pointing out the authoritarian nature of these changes. He was 100% correct about the effects on Ireland and its' society. You might not agree with his imagery but the points are 100% valid .

It shows our hard won freedoms (won by Dan Breen et al.) aren't as solid as we think and if that doesn't concern you , then I can't really discuss with you.

We still have the freedom to choose, it's not a dictatorship and no one is going to be dragged of in the middle of the night.

Back on topic though, mattie likes to shout and rage about everything, I reckon he's just got anger issues tbh.

23-10-2020 2:20pm

Any argument he may have had was undermined by going up to 11 on the crazy scale. "Like under Hitler"

the gob****e.

Hurrache · 23-10-2020 2:20pm

LOL at the poster jumping onto McGraths wagon, no surprises there.

WrenBoy · 23-10-2020 2:26pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with questioning the approach, but comparing the Government's actions to the Nazis and trying to whip up hysteria by invoking the ghosts of Dan Breen and co. is just fu*king ludicrous. He's coming across as similar to the American loons who are all out with their assault rifles shouting about God and country. Thankfully most Irish people have a bit more cop on.

I'm not so sure of your last point anymore, sure some on here were convinced that the anti-mask march muppets were a sign of the rise of the new reich. I fear we've swallowed a big bucket of the hysteria juice over here already. God help us..

paw patrol · 23-10-2020 2:30pm

Triangle wrote: »

We still have the freedom to choose, it's not a dictatorship and no one is going to be dragged of in the middle of the night.

Back on topic though, mattie likes to shout and rage about everything, I reckon he's just got anger issues tbh.

nobody is going to be dragged out ..really?

The police are now stopping you and asking you your business and telling you to go home if you give the wrong answer. You can be arrested for this.

They will be dragging you of if you have the wrong people in your own home. the only reason they won't be bursting down the doors is because of the constitution. The government/media have stated that it was examined by the government as a measure.

Strumms wrote: »

You’ll have fuçk all freedom lying in a hospital bed, possibly even ventilated...

As will whoever else catches the fûcking thing from you...

The battle isn’t against freedoms it is against covid, against non restriction ****. What Dan Breen or any other historical being long dead thinks of that is neither here nor there.

you've always had a hysteria over covid (based on other posts)

In Ireland 29000 active cases at the moment but only 311 in hospital. Its not the killer plague we have been sold. There is panic over nothing.
Illness come and go, locking us up isn't the solution - but we've had this debate.
If you are worried , stay at home but leave the rest of us to live our lives.

Go Mattie , keep going.

facehugger99 · 23-10-2020 2:30pm

I think the lockdown is the greatest load of nonsense but I have also encountered McGrath in a professional capacity and he is a total fcuking moron. He possesses a low cunning and he would sell his granny if he thought there was a few votes in it.

Indicative of the awful politicians across the board which we elect in this country.

WrenBoy · 23-10-2020 2:31pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think the lockdown is the greatest load of nonsense but I have also encountered McGrath in a professional capacity and he is a total fcuking moron. He possesses a low cunning and he would sell his granny of he thought there was a few votes in it

Who'd buy a granny these days ? :pac:
In the boom maybe ..

jmreire · 23-10-2020 2:46pm

paw patrol wrote: »

nobody is going to be dragged out ..really?

The police are now stopping you and asking you your business and telling you to go home if you give the wrong answer. You can be arrested for this.

They will be dragging you of if you have the wrong people in your own home. the only reason they won't be bursting down the doors is because of the constitution. The government/media have stated that it was examined by the government as a measure.

you've always had a hysteria over covid (based on other posts)

In Ireland 29000 active cases at the moment but only 311 in hospital. Its not the killer plague we have been sold. There is panic over nothing.
Illness come and go, locking us up isn't the solution - but we've had this debate.
If you are worried , stay at home but leave the rest of us to live our lives.

Go Mattie , keep going.

Some interesting statistics about Covid-19, especially for anyone that thinks that its a relatively " harmless " disease, with low death figures. Have a look and see what you think.

Strumms · 23-10-2020 2:51pm

paw patrol wrote: »

you've always had a hysteria over covid (based on other posts)

In Ireland 29000 active cases at the moment but only 311 in hospital. Its not the killer plague we have been sold. There is panic over nothing.
Illness come and go, locking us up isn't the solution - but we've had this debate.
If you are worried , stay at home but leave the rest of us to live our lives.

Go Mattie , keep going.

no hysteria over covid. A healthy concern and a determination to be a team player in respecting restrictions and exhibiting safe, responsible behaviors in order not to catch or spread covid.

It’s not a killer plague no. But it’s a mass killing and highly infectious virus.

54,000 infected, 1817 dead.

facehugger99 · 23-10-2020 2:56pm

Strumms wrote: »

no hysteria over covid. A healthy concern and a determination to be a team player in respecting restrictions and exhibiting safe, responsible behaviors in order not to catch or spread covid.

It’s not a killer plague no. But it’s a mass killing and highly infectious virus.

54,000 infected, 1817 dead.

So you think we've identified every case of Covid?

Interesting.

RINO87 · 23-10-2020 2:56pm

I dont agree with his stance but in that clip he did make a very good point...

"25 grand a day for this place, and where are they?"

Strumms · 23-10-2020 3:01pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

So you think we've identified every case of Covid?

Interesting.

I’m merely quoting the published numbers that we KNOW about. I’m happy you find it, erm, ‘interesting’

Snake Plisken · 23-10-2020 3:25pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

Is Mattie McGrath trying to position himself as the hero of the anti - lockdown movement? This hysterical Dail performance where he claims the restrictions are like something "under Hitler" would seem to indicate so. It's my first time to hear the bould Mattie in action. If he plans on becoming the vanguard of the resistance and rousing the masses to action with some stirring rhetoric, he'd want to do a bit of work on his thick muckah bogger accent - I can barely understand half of what he's ranting about in this clip.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/this-wouldnt-happen-under-hitler-mattie-mcgrath-opposes-lockdown-legislation-in-dail-39658883.html

Has Mattie upset your city boy feelings? Good! love it when he triggers the boards keyboard warriors

facehugger99 · 23-10-2020 3:26pm

Strumms wrote: »

I’m merely quoting the published numbers that we KNOW about. I’m happy you find it, erm, ‘interesting’

So your original post was wrong - good to clear that up.

paw patrol · 23-10-2020 3:28pm

jmreire wrote: »

Some interesting statistics about Covid-19, especially for anyone that thinks that its a relatively " harmless " disease, with low death figures. Have a look and see what you think.

for a disease that only landed in Feb 2020 in the USA he seems pretty sure of all that permanent stuff.

facehugger99 wrote: »

So you think we've identified every case of Covid?

Interesting.

62% of those deaths are in the nursing homes. Its a tragedy but at a median age of 83 (for covid death) any illness can kill or even a fall.
You can't equate a special setting like a nursing home with society at large.

Strumms · 23-10-2020 3:39pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

So your original post was wrong - good to clear that up.

If you want to clear anything up with them or challenge their covid numbers...and most importantly tell them ‘why’ they are wrong, phone 01 240 87 87 good man.

trashcan · 23-10-2020 3:40pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

So your original post was wrong - good to clear that up.

In fairness to Strumms, the testing rates have been so poor, especially early on, there is no way to know what the real figure is. It's almost certainly substantially more than the published figures, I think we can be fairly sure of that.

My only issue with the latest lockdown, is what do we do if/when it's lifted in December and the numbers shoot up again in January/February, as would seem highly likely. Are we going to be yo-yo ing in and out of lockdowns for the next six months, or maybe longer ?

Strumms · 23-10-2020 3:46pm

I’d say we’ll be yo-yoing until there is a vaccine.

We can prolong the time that we are out of lockdown by acting responsibly when we are in it and indeed out of it.

That’s a message that’s a hard sell to the greedy, needy and thick fûckers though.

odyssey06 · 23-10-2020 3:48pm

trashcan wrote: »

My only issue with the latest lockdown, is what do we do if/when it's lifted in December and the numbers shoot up again in January/February, as would seem highly likely. Are we going to be yo-yo ing in and out of lockdowns for the next six months, or maybe longer ?

I worry about that as well, but possibly if they have proper fines etc now for evading the restrictions, that a Level 3 nationwide post Christmas would be more effective than the half-hearted recent version.

KungPao · 23-10-2020 3:56pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Mattie McGrath, he's just an all round stupid prick.

****ing moron Godwin's his own speech, invoking mass murder and genocide when talking about a lock down. You clowns might want to research the pogroms.

If any eejit looks at that speech in admiration, you need to revaluate your life.

In fairness, I think McGrath is referring to the loss of freedoms, going almost unchallenged, as seen during the NSDAP’s rise to power, and not so much about the horrors that followed.

A bit over the top, but I don’t think he’s suggesting the government will start rounding up people not wearing masks and then ensuring them that ‘work will set them free’.

Strumms · 23-10-2020 4:07pm

KungPao wrote: »

In fairness, I think McGrath is referring to the loss of freedoms, going almost unchallenged, as seen during the NSDAP’s rise to power, and not so much about the horrors that followed.

A bit over the top, but I don’t think he’s suggesting the government will start rounding up people not wearing masks and then ensuring them that ‘work will set them free’.

If at 04.00am. I decide I want to go buy 6 cans of Heineken in a supermarket or off license.. I cannot.. the licensing laws don’t permit that.

If at 12.30 tomorrow, in the supermarket I realize I’ve left my wallet in the car, I tell the security I’ll pay next week, security won’t permit it.

If last year in the pub, I wanted to light up a cigarette, I can’t, it’s against the law,

In none of these scenarios have I or anybody lost my freedom.

With covid, certain measures have been put in place, certain requirements made on citizens and their behaviors. Simple. People need to think of society, healthcare workers, fûck it, ALL of us and just do the right thing.

It’s depressing how alien the idea of selflessness is to so many but it’s hardly a surprise.

excludedbin · 23-10-2020 4:08pm

Maybe but the NSDAP used the Reichstag Fire to whip people into a fervour against an enemy that hadn't done it (Marinus van der Lubbe acted alone). It was a pretext to solidify power so they could enact the oppressive state that allowed them to target the 'degenerates' in their society. It wasn't done just because they could.

Now, unless our government is following the same or similar lines, it really isn't comparable at all. The pandemic is a real thing that really is happening right now. The restrictions might not be pleasant but they're obviously not permanent and are for good reasons.

Frankly, it's the ratlicking violent thugs (one of them is in court after senselessly assaulting a woman at their latest """protest""") of the Nationalist Party, and the rest of the 'anti mask' dopes, that have far more in common with them. They, after all, are the ones using this whole thing as a flimsy pretext to continue assaulting anyone that looks at them askance. They aren't peaceful protests, they're violent, anti-science lunatics that're taking the absolute piss.

jmreire · 23-10-2020 5:38pm

paw patrol wrote: »

for a disease that only landed in Feb 2020 in the USA he seems pretty sure of all that permanent stuff.

Well one permanent fact is pretty clear, that at a 1% death rate ( and this figure varies between the 1 and 2% globally ) But even at the 1% death rate in a Country with a population of 328,200,000. like the US, that one percent translates into 3,282,000 people dead. And as the article states, that nr by itself will throw a wrench into the works. That much is pretty clear, only the time frame is uncertain and the Nrs infected.
From Feb to October is long enough for recovery trends to start showing up in statistics, so as to the authenticity of the figure's the Author is quoting, I don't know either. But one thing I do know is that this virus has a very long tail, and can and does leave long lasting side effects, so its not a cut and dried issue of surviving or dying. There's a gray area in between. Personally a Friend of mine caught it back in march, and after 2 mth's home treatment, she was eventually admitted to hospital where she was treated for pneumonia for two weeks, About one month ago taste and smell started to return, and slowly she is recovering. She still suffers with it though.. A good day is usually followed by two bad days, but at least she is now getting good days..for more than 6 mths that was not the case. And I would say that she is not an isolated case either.

Odyssey 2005 · 23-10-2020 5:41pm

Is there subtitles ?

Everlong1 · 23-10-2020 6:22pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Has Mattie upset your city boy feelings? Good! love it when he triggers the boards keyboard warriors

I'm not so much upset as mildly amused by this classic parish pump muckah trying to make a name for himself by getting hysterical over the Government's perfectly valid response to a national emergency.

In much the same way as I'm amused by his fellow muckahs the Healy Rae's, who probably also think we shouldn't do anything about Covid as sure doesn't God above control everything.

Beasty · 23-10-2020 6:23pm

Moved from Current Affairs

hmmm · 23-10-2020 6:25pm

It's very easy to call for things like this knowing you're not the one who will get blamed if the hospitals get over-run. It's a cop-out in my view.

Everlong1 · 23-10-2020 6:44pm

hmmm wrote: »

It's very easy to call for things like this knowing you're not the one who will get blamed if the hospitals get over-run. It's a cop-out in my view.

Spot on. If the Government did nothing and thousands of deaths ensued the likes of Mattie, the Shinners and the loony lefties like Boyd Barrett would be the first ones to start jumping up and down shrieking about how we have a Third World health service and demanding the Minister For Health be stoned to death in the middle of O'Connell Street.

Dempo1 · 23-10-2020 6:45pm

Absolute clown, notwithstanding it's near impossible to understand a word that comes out of his mouth, did anyone see the ludicrous face shield he's wearing, all it's missing in windscreen wipers.

Risteard81 · 23-10-2020 6:58pm

McGrath is right - these restrictions and so-called "lockdowns" are totalitarian, treasonous and Satanic. I firmly believe that those who have endorsed these measures must be prosecuted for Treason.

Risteard81 · 23-10-2020 7:00pm

Strumms wrote: »

I’d say we’ll be yo-yoing until there is a vaccine.

We can prolong the time that we are out of lockdown by acting responsibly when we are in it and indeed out of it.

That’s a message that’s a hard sell to the greedy, needy and thick fûckers though.

We won't, because the people will rightly prevent this by any and all means necessary. Those advocating this are criminals.

KungPao · 23-10-2020 7:06pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Is there subtitles ?

Think of the poor Oireachtas staff that have to transcribe that!

Maybe we could get the text and dub it over like Gerry Adams was by the beeb, and we can understand what the hell he’s saying.

odyssey06 · 23-10-2020 7:14pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

McGrath is right - these restrictions and so-called "lockdowns" are totalitarian, treasonous and Satanic. I firmly believe that those who have endorsed these measures must be prosecuted for Treason.

Satanic... and treasonous?

I think you give MM and Leo too much credit.

Water John · 23-10-2020 7:21pm

This is the boy who had a go at Dr. Holohan. He either did or didn't know why Holohan was on a leave of absence and either shows his stupidity;
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5990946/mattie-mcgrath-tony-holohan-john-wayne-slammed/

Everlong1 · 23-10-2020 7:34pm

Water John wrote: »

This is the boy who had a go at Dr. Holohan. He either did or didn't know why Holohan was on a leave of absence and either shows his stupidity;
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5990946/mattie-mcgrath-tony-holohan-john-wayne-slammed/

Didn't know about that. I have even more contempt for him now. What a cretin.

milli milli · 23-10-2020 7:35pm

Strumms wrote: »

It’s depressing how alien the idea of selflessness is to so many but it’s hardly a surprise.

They are people in society who take, take, take, and have a ‘what’s in it for me’ attitude. Maybe it comes from a deprived upbringing or they are just miserable people.

As another poster said, these restrictions are temporary. No-one knows what the future holds, but going by past pandemics we eventually will go back to the way things were. Most reasonable people know this; we have to take temporary measures to deal with a crisis, however hard that may be.

Equating this to a ‘loss of freedom’ is laughable to be honest. It’s all a guise for selfish people, who don’t want to do what’s asked of them and to be considerate of others.
I’ve met people like this in my life and they just suck the life out of you.

Sweet.Science · 23-10-2020 8:12pm

milli milli wrote: »

They are people in society who take, take, take, and have a ‘what’s in it for me’ attitude. Maybe it comes from a deprived upbringing or they are just miserable people.

As another poster said, these restrictions are temporary. No-one knows what the future holds, but going by past pandemics we eventually will go back to the way things were. Most reasonable people know this; we have to take temporary measures to deal with a crisis, however hard that may be.

Equating this to a ‘loss of freedom’ is laughable to be honest. It’s all a guise for selfish people, who don’t want to do what’s asked of them and to be considerate of others.
I’ve met people like this in my life and they just suck the life out of you.

Still in your job yeah

Strumms · 23-10-2020 8:17pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

We won't, because the people will rightly prevent this by any and all means necessary. Those advocating this are criminals.

Those advocating it, implementing and enforcing it are saving lives.

Criminals ? What law are you saying that they’ve broken ?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/

Risteard81 · 23-10-2020 9:18pm

Strumms wrote: »

Those advocating it, implementing and enforcing it are saving lives.

Criminals ? What law are you saying that they’ve broken ?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/

They seek to subvert the Republic proclaimed in 1916 by implementing totalitarian rule on the Irish People. As I stated, this is an act of Treason.

Mattie McGrath: anti - lockdown champion!

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