Schools closed until February? (part 3)

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 11:52AM

Thats me wrote: »

Up to you, but some of these persons not gifted with common sense could be teaching your own children right at the moment as I writing this..

Its more the ones who arent teachings opinions that make me laugh in this thread tbh.

Thats me · 23-10-2020 11:52AM

Boggles wrote: »

The virus is not airborne.

Wat???? :eek:

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 11:53AM

Deeec wrote: »

I think it would be the best solution for schools to close but us parents need support from the schools. I am sick of people posting on here saying parents are just lazy and cant be bothered looking after and teaching their kids - it most cases this is completely untrue

Br aware that I think the vast majority of posters that spout this aren't teachers and the few that are passing themselves off as teachers don't portray what the majority of us think. Obviously some do hold this opinion.

Jucifer · 23-10-2020 11:53AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

That is incorrect - it has been provided for children in lovely bright child friendly bottles - How do I know cos I have one in my class

So the sanitiser being recalled, the one with methanol instead of ethanol, was provided to children in your school? Despite the instruction that children only be provided alcohol free sanitiser?

Jinglejangle69 · 23-10-2020 11:54AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Solutions. There are so many solutions to the conundrum of two working parents that have already been listed here ad nauseam. I don't know what planet you're on, but a lack of forward thinking, planning, and hard work just to do the easiest and least effective move of lashing in all the students in all the schools full time is irresponsible and ridiculous because, childcare.

It most certainly is possible to work with kids around. We did it. Millions do it.

The sectors you mention can go ahead with proper scheduling and supports from the government in place.

Yes because all couples can work from home at the moment.

God how did I not realise that??

Sure the food will make itself and transport itself into shops.

Water will magically filter itself into our taps.

Forgot noone needs to work outside their home ever again.

What was I thinking??

Deeec · 23-10-2020 11:56AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Br aware that I think the vast majority of posters that spout this aren't teachers and the few that are passing themselves off as teachers don't portray what the majority of us think. Obviously some do hold this opinion.

I agree - they are not teachers or parents.

Icyseanfitz · 23-10-2020 11:59AM

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1313831721981415428

No1. Lesson from isreal, don't open schools in periods of high transmission, but sure what do they know :rolleyes:

poppers · 23-10-2020 11:59AM

Boggles wrote: »

Really? How far do you want to take that?

Most of the "guidance" is absolute nonsense.

If a teacher is worried about catching Covid can they insist on having only half their class in at a time? Would you back that idea?

Can they insist on their class wear masks and if not refuse to let them in?

No i wouldn't but if i was worried about covid id wear the mask all day.

Thats me · 23-10-2020 12:00PM

Jucifer wrote: »

So the sanitiser being recalled, the one with methanol instead of ethanol, was provided to children in your school?

Was it ever disclosed why it was recalled? In the recall notice there was no reason provided, in RTE article it was said like "some sanitisers contain methanol" but it was not said namely this one is.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 12:00PM

I see thr NVRL UCD will be shut for the next two weekends due to unavoidable staff shortages. This is the biggest lab testing facility in the country.

More backlogs incoming.

byhookorbycrook · 23-10-2020 12:02PM

"In certain situations the use of clear visors should be considered, for example staff interacting with pupils with hearing difficulties or learning difficulties. "
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd364-control-measures-covid-19-response-plan-for-safe-re-opening-of-primary-schools/#use-of-ppe-in-schools

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1004/1169331-coronavirus-protection-visors/

khalessi · 23-10-2020 12:03PM

Deeec wrote: »

. I am sick of people posting on here saying parents are just lazy and cant be bothered looking after and teaching their kids - it most cases this is completely untrue

I honestly don't agree with that at all. Sure I'm a parent and my kids are in school at the moment. I think we all have bills to pay and yes the country has to get up an running. All I want is the HSE and Dept to be honest about numbers in schools, transparent and to carry out tracking and tracing properly

No environment is 100% safe but an environment with children in it should be provided the proper resources in it to be as safe as possible.

Parents need to know their kids are safe as they worry too and teachers need to know their working environment is safe.

Boggles · 23-10-2020 12:08PM

poppers wrote: »

No i wouldn't but if i was worried about covid id wear the mask all day.

Are you a teacher? You know wearing a mask all day doesn't really lend itself to adequate communication with young children, let alone "teaching".

Also, Are you not worried about Covid?

Boggles · 23-10-2020 12:09PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

"In certain situations the use of clear visors should be considered, for example staff interacting with pupils with hearing difficulties or learning difficulties. "
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd364-control-measures-covid-19-response-plan-for-safe-re-opening-of-primary-schools/#use-of-ppe-in-schools

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1004/1169331-coronavirus-protection-visors/

Public Health were asked weeks ago to rule on visors.

The "report" isn't back.

We use all the international evidence we can google when it suits us.

s1ippy · 23-10-2020 12:16PM

expectationlost wrote: »

the ones that say 0% alcohol?

https://www.virapro.ie/virapro-kids

It doesn't kill covid (or has incredibly weak antiviral/bactericidal properties anyway) AND it makes you blind AND causes respiratory failure.

Did nobody read the bottle?

Grandeeod · 23-10-2020 12:24PM

A case was confirmed in my daughters 1st year class yesterday. Today she has been confirmed as a close contact of the sick student. They aren't friends and don't mix outside school. Now I thought that other students in a class aren't considered close contacts. I reckon they have identified contacts as those that sat near the sick student. My daughter sits beside her for three classes a week and claims they aren't even 1m apart. Any thoughts?

khalessi · 23-10-2020 12:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

Public Health were asked weeks ago to rule on visors.

The "report" isn't back.

We use all the international evidence we can google when it suits us.

Sure it has been shown they are as safe, there were the waiters in Switzerland who caught covid wearing visors only. There have been studies on them.Luke O Neil in his webinar on schools and covid also said they were not as effective withouht and a mask.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 12:29PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

A case was confirmed in my daughters 1st year class yesterday. Today she has been confirmed as a close contact of the sick student. They aren't friends and don't mix outside school. Now I thought that other students in a class aren't considered close contacts. I reckon they have identified contacts as those that sat near the sick student. My daughter sits beside her for three classes a week and claims they aren't even 1m apart. Any thoughts?

Pick and mix approach, zero consistency.

You could have a different set of close contacts from this case if a different public health team/person looked at it.

Better safe than sorry if you ask me.

JP100 · 23-10-2020 12:30PM

Same hand sanitizer being used in Circle K.

https://www.thejournal.ie/circle-k-virapro-5242704-Oct2020/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Deeec · 23-10-2020 12:32PM

khalessi wrote: »

I honestly don't agree with that at all. Sure I'm a parent and my kids are in school at the moment. I think we all have bills to pay and yes the country has to get up an running. All I want is the HSE and Dept to be honest about numbers in schools, transparent and to carry out tracking and tracing properly

No environment is 100% safe but an environment with children in it should be provided the proper resources in it to be as safe as possible.

Parents need to know their kids are safe as they worry too and teachers need to know their working environment is safe.

I agree with all your comments . I wrote that comment in relation to people posting that parents do not want their children at home and that we view schools as childcare - I know I dont have this view. Im not following why you disagree with me?

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 12:35PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes because all couples can work from home at the moment.

God how did I not realise that??

Sure the food will make itself and transport itself into shops.

Water will magically filter itself into our taps.

Forgot noone needs to work outside their home ever again.

What was I thinking??

Give over. All those workers are not parents. Lol.

Once and for all, Jinglejangle: Blended. Remote. Learning. Plan. = one solution

Rotating work schedules = another solution

Childcare subsidy for people if the gov't would get off their árses = another solution.

khalessi · 23-10-2020 12:36PM

Deeec wrote: »

I agree with all your comments . I wrote that comment in relation to people posting that parents do not want their children at home and that we view schools as childcare - I know I dont have this view. Im not following why you disagree with me?

Miscommunication, you wrote I am sick of people posting on here saying parents are just lazy and cant be bothered looking after and teaching their kids - it most cases this is completely untrue

I dont agree that parents are just lazy and cant be bothered looking after and teaching their kids - it most cases this is completely untrue"

Because of the reasons I gave previously

Jinglejangle69 · 23-10-2020 12:39PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Give over.

Once and for all, Jinglejangle: Blended. Remote. Learning. Plan. = one solution

Rotating work schedules = another solution

Childcare subsidy for people if the gov't would get off their árses = another solution.

I agree with blended learning.

What I don't agree with is people coming here claiming homeschooling 3 kids under 7 while one parent has to work from home and the other has to be out of the house working is something simple enough to manage.

You might have been lucky enough to have both of your jobs allow you work from home.

Many couples aren't.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 12:48PM

khalessi wrote: »

Sure it has been shown they are as safe, there were the waiters in Switzerland who caught covid wearing visors only. There have been studies on them.Luke O Neil in his webinar on schools and covid also said they were not as effective withouht and a mask.

Masks and visors dont stop the virus coming in. They help stop the virus going out.
Medical grade masks help stop it coning in too though.

BonsaiKitten · 23-10-2020 12:49PM

khalessi wrote: »

It would be a good idea but some article appeared in papers just before schools went back suggesting the children would drink the hand sanitiser, that it had alcohol in it, if they had their own supply, so not to send it in with children. I remember it being discussed on the tv. Created a minor kerfuffle

I think there was official (Departmental) guidance that students shouldn't bring in their own sanitiser, wasn't there? Perhaps that's why the Department didn't recommend it now and said schools can close instead.

It was a stupid piece of guidance imo. I can understand infants not bringing in their own but my class are well able to mind a bottle of hand sanitiser. Most do bring in individual bottles.

khalessi · 23-10-2020 12:54PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Masks and visors dont stop the virus coming in. They help stop the virus going out.
Medical grade masks help stop it coning in too though.

They dont stop it going out either. Masks originally became popular to protect the tissues of the eyes as that on area the common cold also a coronavirus, used as an access point to the body.

They should not be used without a mask.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 12:59PM

khalessi wrote: »

They dont stop it going out either. Masks originally became popular to protect the tissues of the eyes as that on area the common cold also a coronavirus, used as an access point to the body.

They should not be used without a mask.

Exactly. Visors not so good at stopping the virus coming out. Masks, though not great, are better than visors.

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 12:59PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I agree with blended learning.

What I don't agree with is people coming here claiming homeschooling 3 kids under 7 while one parent has to work from home and the other has to be out of the house working is something simple enough to manage.

You might have been lucky enough to have both of your jobs allow you work from home.

Many couples aren't.

I never said it worked for everybody. I have said it's an option and it worked for us as it does many others. There are other solutions needed because every family is different. It's not simple for any of us to manage. Unfortunately the alternative isn't a runner.

JimmyVik · 23-10-2020 01:03PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I never said it worked for everybody. I have said it's an option and it worked for us as it does many others. There are other solutions needed because every family is different. It's not simple for any of us to manage. Unfortunately the alternative isn't a runner.

If we continue as we are now, schools will be closed for long periods without a proper plan in place for remote learning.
I dont understand why so many people have a problem with preparing for remote learning, so it can work when in inevitably becomes necessary.

Deeec · 23-10-2020 01:07PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

If we continue as we are now, schools will be closed for long periods without a proper plan in place for remote learning.
I dont understand why so many people have a problem with preparing for remote learning, so it can work when in inevitably becomes necessary.

Absolutely having to homeschool would be easier if there was a government plan that every school has to follow. I fear that after midterm if the schools close ( which I think would be best for public health) we are back to some schools doing an excellent job on remote learning their pupils and other schools doing bare minimum.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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