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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Seriously?!
    yup:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    So even school principals of all people are now saying there is a cover up: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173303-irish-schools-covid/

    Failed parents who can't cope with their own children and are forcing the virus down the rest of society's throats are the real villains in all this. There need to be consequences. "We're all in this together" - more like never have more people had to pay for the failures of others. I hope your "peace" at home to "do your work" is worth endless lockdowns, spiraling cases, and a destroyed economy?

    But sure go ahead and tell me how school principals are making this up and the DofE is right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54656456

    Yet Norma says only 1 in 10 schools down here have had any sort of covid issues.

    Interestingly up north their official figures show 2030 in school going cases yet down herei think officially they say we've far less than a quarter of that number.

    10% of school staff were absent from the school buildings the week 6-13 October.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54656456

    10% of school staff were absent from the school buildings the week 6-13 October.

    They were at a rave nothing to see here:cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1023/1173372-coronavirus-ireland/

    Risk of exposure 100 times more than in June

    Just not in schools:D:cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    At least they're honest? :mad:

    "Keeping the schools and childcare facilities open is hugely important. The availability of childcare is essential to the effective running of business. This will minimise the impact of the Level 5 lockdown measures on many sectors where remote working is possible. Maintaining activity in the construction and manufacturing sectors is also to be welcomed.

    https://www.dublinchamber.ie/media/news/october-2020/dublin-chamber-statement-re-level-5-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR0vWuD4KQjczUEWuDZz0luD5AkAjJSk4-T3g-6a-i2WxWo6ii4bRE1QMq0

    Why wouldn't they be honest? So we should take their taxes for schools, health, welfare and so on then then criticize them when they point out it's not possible to work with kids around. The same socialist brigade will then whinge when there are no houses built or when rural internet scheme is not progressing or why there are cancer screening waiting lists.

    If you have people minding their kids at home they won't be working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,742 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    khalessi wrote: »
    It would be a good idea but some article appeared in papers just before schools went back suggesting the children would drink the hand sanitiser, that it had alcohol in it, if they had their own supply, so not to send it in with children. I remember it being discussed on the tv. Created a minor kerfuffle




    articles here about packaging made to appeal to kids ends up making them think they can drink it https://www.google.com/search?q=children+would+drink+the+hand+sanitiser&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju-NKVu8rsAhWRh1wKHdWeBvkQ_AUoBHoECAYQBg&biw=2048&bih=1038 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    khalessi wrote: »
    It would be a good idea but some article appeared in papers just before schools went back suggesting the children would drink the hand sanitiser, that it had alcohol in it, if they had their own supply, so not to send it in with children. I remember it being discussed on the tv. Created a minor kerfuffle


    Reminds me of a letter we got telling us to tell the kids not to be licking each others faces. Older kids were telling younger ones to lick each other for the laugh, and of course they were doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    At least they're honest? :mad:

    "Keeping the schools and childcare facilities open is hugely important. The availability of childcare is essential to the effective running of business. This will minimise the impact of the Level 5 lockdown measures on many sectors where remote working is possible. Maintaining activity in the construction and manufacturing sectors is also to be welcomed.

    https://www.dublinchamber.ie/media/news/october-2020/dublin-chamber-statement-re-level-5-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR0vWuD4KQjczUEWuDZz0luD5AkAjJSk4-T3g-6a-i2WxWo6ii4bRE1QMq0

    Thanks, this is looking like a true reason behing the unresponsible decision to keep schools open during L5.

    What I do not understand is motivation of these posters who recently was telling bull...t to me that the reason is the poor will lose something if schools will be closed for 1.5 month, child abuse will grow and apocalipse will happen because of such dramatic interruption in the process of education :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Why wouldn't they be honest? So we should take their taxes for schools, health, welfare and so on then then criticize them when they point out it's not possible to work with kids around. The same socialist brigade will then whinge when there are no houses built or when rural internet scheme is not progressing or why there are cancer screening waiting lists.

    If you have people minding their kids at home they won't be working.

    Solutions. There are so many solutions to the conundrum of two working parents that have already been listed here ad nauseam. I don't know what planet you're on, but a lack of forward thinking, planning, and hard work just to do the easiest and least effective move of lashing in all the students in all the schools full time is irresponsible and ridiculous because, childcare.

    It most certainly is possible to work with kids around. We did it. Millions do it.

    The sectors you mention can go ahead with proper scheduling and supports from the government in place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Thats me wrote: »
    Thanks, this is looking like a true reason behing the unresponsible decision to keep schools open during L5.

    What I do not understand is motivation of these posters who recently was telling bull...t to me that the reason is the poor will lose something if schools will be closed for 1.5 month, child abuse will grow and apocalipse will happen because of such dramatic interruption in the process of education :rolleyes:


    I wouldnt mind peoples opinions. We all have different ones.
    Its the unclear stats from nphet and the different rules for scholls than anyone else that I take issues with. IMO the public are not being told the truth, and its gone too far now for them to admit it. So they have to keep the obscuring and massaging of statistics going.
    Not the first time they have done it now is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    My OH's school has their first comfirmed case, a 2nd class told to stay home today, teacher has been out since Monday(dont know when tested positive), the sub they had in all week is now subbing in another class.

    These are the situations that bug me. And I know some one will say "the sub isnt a close contact of the positive case"

    Subs in general are moved around classes and schools.

    Btw I want schools open, but safely with cop on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    My OH's school has their first comfirmed case, a 2nd class told to stay home today, teacher has been out since Monday(dont know when tested positive), the sub they had in all week is now subbing in another class.

    These are the situations that bug me. And I know some one will say "the sub isnt a close contact of the positive case"

    Subs in general are moved around classes and schools.

    Btw I want schools open, but safely with cop on


    So teacher tested positive. Was probably in the class while positive.
    Sub then goes into class which could have positive cases in it.
    Sub then moves to another class.
    Nobody tested at all?
    What could possibly go wrong :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Solutions. There are so many solutions to the conundrum of two working parents that have already been listed here ad nauseam. I don't know what planet you're on, but a lack of forward thinking, planning, and hard work just to do the easiest and least effective move of lashing in all the students in all the schools full time is irresponsible and ridiculous because, childcare.

    It most certainly is possible to work with kids around. We did it. Millions do it.

    The sectors you mention can go ahead with proper scheduling and supports from the government in place.

    Also, a choice of remote learning should be given to Parents as some don't need Childcare and others are able to work around their Kids being at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Jucifer wrote: »
    Again the message being given in schools is that this is the sanitizer product being provided for teachers, not students. So unless there has been a mix up students should be safe

    That is incorrect - it has been provided for children in lovely bright child friendly bottles - How do I know cos I have one in my class


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Thats me wrote: »
    Thanks, this is looking like a true reason behing the unresponsible decision to keep schools open during L5.

    What I do not understand is motivation of these posters who recently was telling bull...t to me that the reason is the poor will lose something if schools will be closed for 1.5 month, child abuse will grow and apocalipse will happen because of such dramatic interruption in the process of education :rolleyes:
    Actually most of the people with more than three brain cells would be able to comprehend that there are multiple reasons for different sectors of society why it is good to have kids in school. Of course you have to actually work to notice what challenges working people face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54656456

    Yet Norma says only 1 in 10 schools down here have had any sort of covid issues.

    Interestingly up north their official figures show 2030 in school going cases yet down herei think officially they say we've far less than a quarter of that number.

    10% of school staff were absent from the school buildings the week 6-13 October.

    I work in a school up north. (Great to have the week off)
    To my mind there has to be transmission between pupils because it is virtually impossible to social distance at break times etc. Partly due to lack of space and human nature.
    As a teacher I always maintain distance between myself and pupils. No more individual attention at a desk etc and keep hand washing.
    I don't feel 100% safe but then again I don't feel 100%safe in shops. I imagine anyone using public transport feel the same.
    I also feel Education is an essential service. Maybe not urgent like health services but still vitally important over the longer term.
    Personally I really hope there is no long term, widespread disruption to schools.
    There is plenty to criticize about measures put in place north and south but I still want to keep going to work.

    On an aside the measures in place south of the border are far superior. My kids are in school in Donegal and there, measures are much stricter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,742 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    That is incorrect - it has been provided for children in lovely bright child friendly bottles - How do I know cos I have one in my class


    the ones that say 0% alcohol?

    https://www.virapro.ie/virapro-kids


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,152 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Jucifer wrote: »
    Again the message being given in schools is that this is the sanitizer product being provided for teachers, not students. So unless there has been a mix up students should be safe

    That's certainly not the message I got from listening to the interview, infact not a mention of this product only being for teachers?

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭poppers


    Why are national school teachers not wearing their masks all day.
    I havd a child in both primary and secondary primary teacher doesn't wear mask unless they are beside the child also my child has commented that the teacher only wears it around their mouth with nose out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    poppers wrote: »
    Why are national school teachers not wearing their masks all day.
    I havd a child in both primary and secondary primary teacher doesn't wear mask unless they are beside the child also my child has commented that the teacher only wears it around their mouth with nose out.

    No idea. Our daughter (Primary) says that her own Class Teacher has a mask on all day but she sees some of the other Teachers not wearing them all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    poppers wrote: »
    Why are national school teachers not wearing their masks all day.

    Guidance.

    The virus is not airborne.

    Official "science" from the DOE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    poppers wrote: »
    Why are national school teachers not wearing their masks all day.
    I havd a child in both primary and secondary primary teacher doesn't wear mask unless they are beside the child also my child has commented that the teacher only wears it around their mouth with nose out.

    Guidance says we don't have to. It was a running joke in my class that when I retreated to my 'exclusion ' zone' I'd take the mask off and inhale deeply!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭poppers


    Guidance says we don't have to. It was a running joke in my class that when I retreated to my 'exclusion ' zone' I'd take the mask off and inhale deeply!!!

    Guidance aside if teachers are as worried about catching covid as we hear every day then why not keep them on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Failed parents who can't cope with their own children and are forcing the virus down the rest of society's throats are the real villains in all this. There need to be consequences. "We're all in this together" - more like never have more people had to pay for the failures of others. I hope your "peace" at home to "do your work" is worth endless lockdowns, spiraling cases, and a destroyed economy?

    Are all parents that send their children to school everyday failed parents?? The post is unclear. If your post refers to parents sending sick children to school then you have a point.

    I have heard of two cases in a Secondary school in a nearby town that the children went to school showing symptoms. The school in one case didn’t act on the first day was on third day the child was told not to come in the next day. Child should of been pulled out of the class and parents called to collect them. There is no excuse for those parents to be sending a sick child into school especially secondary school they don’t even need childcare.

    My son goes to local primary school and has missed two days this year because he got a tummy bug. I sent him back when he went over 24 hours without symptoms. The school wanted to know why he was out straight away. Which I think was very responsible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    I wouldnt mind peoples opinions.

    Up to you, but some of these persons not gifted with common sense could be teaching your own children right at the moment as I writing this..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Deeec


    The_Brood wrote: »
    So even school principals of all people are now saying there is a cover up: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173303-irish-schools-covid/

    Failed parents who can't cope with their own children and are forcing the virus down the rest of society's throats are the real villains in all this. There need to be consequences. "We're all in this together" - more like never have more people had to pay for the failures of others. I hope your "peace" at home to "do your work" is worth endless lockdowns, spiraling cases, and a destroyed economy?

    But sure go ahead and tell me how school principals are making this up and the DofE is right?

    Have you tried working from home with kids? Schools are unsafe at the moment because of the high number of contact teachers/children have per day - I get that. There absolutely should be a blended learning approach in place to reduce this.

    I found it very difficult to work full time from home and homeschool ( my husband works long hours outside of the home) with my 3 children . IT IS NOT EASY - each household is different and every employer is different in their understanding of this. The biggest thing that would help overcome this is a standard plan issued from the government on homeschooling/blended learning.

    I think it would be the best solution for schools to close but us parents need support from the schools. I am sick of people posting on here saying parents are just lazy and cant be bothered looking after and teaching their kids - it most cases this is completely untrue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    poppers wrote: »
    Guidance aside if teachers are as worried about catching covid as we hear every day then why not keep them on.

    I pretty much did. Much like the 'mask breaks' in secondary for the students it's nice to take it off for a few seconds and not be breathing in fibres.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Guidance says we don't have to. It was a running joke in my class that when I retreated to my 'exclusion ' zone' I'd take the mask off and inhale deeply!!!

    Yep we have a chained off area around the teachers desk in class that I hung a do not feed the teacher sign off. The kids told me it was safe to remove my mask in the "teacher zone", I thanked them for the info but didnt.

    Today I am running around in an inflatable costume with a mask on inside the suit and occasionally opening it to exchange the air. Kids getting a great laugh and thats the point, give them something to giggle about. It is lovely hearing laughter throughout the school today and seeing the effort the kids and staff went through for costumes, with the older ones making their own horror movie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    poppers wrote: »
    Guidance aside if teachers are as worried about catching covid as we hear every day then why not keep them on.

    Really? How far do you want to take that?

    Most of the "guidance" is absolute nonsense.

    If a teacher is worried about catching Covid can they insist on having only half their class in at a time? Would you back that idea?

    Can they insist on their class wear masks and if not refuse to let them in?


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