Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

whelan2 · 21-10-2020 09:55PM

_Brian wrote: »

Cavan is a mess.
Running through whole families.

I posted weeks ago, people weeent giving a ****. No mask wearing, no social distancing, mad drinking celebrating after football.

How are the schools coping?

_Brian · 21-10-2020 10:13PM

whelan2 wrote: »

How are the schools coping?

Local schools here are great. Occasional kid out but nothing much at all. Closer to cavan town I think there’s a bit more but it definitely seems less than there is in the general community. And I’ve not heard of one case that was a school transmission, not one.

Neddyusa · 21-10-2020 11:25PM

Lifted this from another thread but its appropriate here:

The vast, vast majority of people are acting perfectly responsible in their daily lives. The virus isn't spreading because a statistically negligible number of people won a ****ing county final, it is spreading because it is a highly contagious virus in a modern society. We would be better served recognizing that fact instead of looking for scapegoats.

Most people are doing their best. The rest are being human.

The virus is basically everywhere despite any and all restrictions. There is no need to blame your neighbours.

The government on the other hand, spending the summer spoofing about ministers for agriculture and driving licences instead of building ICU capacity, have been asleep at the wheel since the start.

7 months in and still no plan whatsoever for beyond the next 6 weeks.

selectamatic · 21-10-2020 11:34PM

_Brian wrote: »

Local schools here are great. Occasional kid out but nothing much at all. Closer to cavan town I think there’s a bit more but it definitely seems less than there is in the general community. And I’ve not heard of one case that was a school transmission, not one.

In secondary schools you won't hear of one anyways. They're basically not testing anymore. A close contact has been redefined to be someone you've been within 1m with for at least 15 minutes while not wearing masks. So realistically the only setting this can happen in is the school canteen while eating.

In the primary setting they're testing slightly more at times and not much more other times. Very hit and miss and no clear procedure.

Good contact tracing for the community as a whole and clear concise procedures for testing in school settings should have been the minimum goal for the second wave.

About a month in and all is up in a hape.

Water John · 21-10-2020 11:37PM

It's highly contagious, which means the more interactions we have the more spread, it's simple maths.
Classic case was Arizona in the US, some restrictions brought in, cases fell to one third in 3 weeks.

Level 2/3 was enough restriction to limit the spread so that you didn't have an increase. Problem, not everyone bought in. Result some peoples livelyhoods put at risk.

Neddyusa · 21-10-2020 11:43PM

Water John wrote: »

It's highly contagious, which means the more interactions we have the more spread, it's simple maths.
Classic case was Arizona in the US, some restrictions brought in, cases fell to one third in 3 weeks.

Level 2/3 was enough restriction to limit the spread so that you didn't have an increase. Problem, not everyone bought in. Result some peoples livelyhoods put at risk.

Its failure to plan by senior civil servants that has put hundreds of thousands of livelihoods at risk, not your neighbours.
We shouldn't need to have the most draconian restrictions in Europe for a virus which killed less than one person per day for months.

kerryjack · 21-10-2020 11:45PM

Myhole Martin don't fill me with confidence, didn't see much of him over the summer, took his holidays for himself and had to be called back to work by the opposition, like that's like a farmer talking his holidays half way through lambing season. It would have been funny if it wasn't so serious.

Water John · 21-10-2020 11:47PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

Its failure to plan by senior civil servants that has put hundreds of thousands of livelihoods at risk, not your neighbours.
We shouldn't need to have the most draconian restrictions in Europe for a virus which killed less than one person per day for months.

So you're agreeing that the first lockdown succeeded. Why won't this one be effective also?

BTW Kerry, MM makes it about as far as Courtmacsherry for his hols. Hardly a big call back.

Neddyusa · 21-10-2020 11:56PM

Water John wrote: »

So you're agreeing that the first lockdown succeeded. Why won't this one be effective also?

BTW Kerry, MM makes it about as far as Courtmacsherry for his hols. Hardly a big call back.

Of course it didn't succeed - the WHO have said lockdowns should not be used and only work if you have a strong exit-plan for when its lifted.
We didn't have a plan for living with Covid back then and we still dont now!
Rolling lockdowns, Hoping it goes just away, or hoping a magic vaccine appears is not a plan.

frank8211 · 22-10-2020 11:10AM

_Brian wrote: »

Local schools here are great. Occasional kid out but nothing much at all. Closer to cavan town I think there’s a bit more but it definitely seems less than there is in the general community. And I’ve not heard of one case that was a school transmission, not one.

Try telling that to people in cootehill. See how safe they feel about schools

wrangler · 22-10-2020 11:22AM

frank8211 wrote: »

Try telling that to people in cootehill. See how safe they feel about schools

The problem isn't schools, it's the parents not being responsible, if their children weren't spreading it in the school they'd be spreading it in the parish.
For every case now there's someone acting the brat

Base price · 22-10-2020 11:36AM

I see in the Journal that calves are exempt from tb testing up to 120 days old, the same as it was during the last lockdown.

whelan2 · 22-10-2020 11:46AM

Base price wrote: »

I see in the Journal that calves are exempt from tb testing up to 120 days old, the same as it was during the last lockdown.

That's good news, thanks

whelan2 · 22-10-2020 11:47AM

Loads of places seem to be staying open. It's either a lockdown or it's not.

yosemitesam1 · 22-10-2020 12:23PM

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1173108/

Excellent news...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-10-2020 12:28PM

We were just notified of 2 positive cases in 6th year of our like secondary school, not sure yet if they're in any of our lads classes.

selectamatic · 22-10-2020 12:53PM

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

We were just notified of 2 positive cases in 6th year of our like secondary school, not sure yet if they're in any of our lads classes.

Take note of any subsequent testing regarding contacts in the school setting if you hear anything on the grape vine. Slim to none has become the norm though

whelan2 · 22-10-2020 01:04PM

Bad outbreak in a nursing home in the west

yosemitesam1 · 22-10-2020 01:09PM

selectamatic wrote: »

Take note of any subsequent testing regarding contacts in the school setting if you hear anything on the grape vine. Slim to none has become the norm though

No wonder there's been no evidence of transmission in schools so

giveitholly · 22-10-2020 01:13PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Bad outbreak in a nursing home in the west

https://twitter.com/DrMartinDaly/status/1319199971267235848?s=19

An awful situation to arise

jaymla627 · 22-10-2020 02:05PM

giveitholly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrMartinDaly/status/1319199971267235848?s=19

An awful situation to arise

Tony and co will have a nice bit of explaining to do this evening so, its farcical millions been spent on gardai overtime for checkpoints but their dosent seem to be the money their to hire extra staff to act as rapid response teams when situations arise like the above....
The knives are out for the hse and co this time around and the mass deaths and inaction last time around in nursing homes by the hse will be magnified x 1000 in the coming months

endainoz · 22-10-2020 04:19PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1173108/

Excellent news...

I think it's important to not have unrealistic expectations though. Trump keeps touting that "it'll be here real soon" which is a lie of course, but even if it would be available, it will take a long time before it's widely available. I watched that new doc "Totally under control" last night. You would forget how horribly inadequate the initial response from the USA was.

NcdJd · 22-10-2020 05:07PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Loads of places seem to be staying open. It's either a lockdown or it's not.

Another big boom for the supermarkets selling essential and non essential goods in the same building while local businesses who deal in non essential goods have to close their doors. Where's the fairness in that.

_Brian · 22-10-2020 05:37PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Another big boom for the supermarkets selling essential and non essential goods in the same building while local businesses who deal in non essential goods have to close their doors. Where's the fairness in that.

Fair doesn’t really come into it though.

We have to be big boys and girls, less shops = less people doing unnecessary browsing and shopping = less opportunity for virus to spread.

Yea there are shops that are running on the edge but they are not the majority and the government seem to have allowed more stay open.

If anything the lockdown disproportionately affects women with hairdressers and beauty salons closed where most lads can manage with a buzz cut at home and few bother with a colour.

tanko · 22-10-2020 05:42PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Another big boom for the supermarkets selling essential and non essential goods in the same building while local businesses who deal in non essential goods have to close their doors. Where's the fairness in that.

It's not fair at all, the whole thing is a joke now.

paddysdream · 22-10-2020 05:45PM

Was in local town this morning and this is nothing like the "lockdown" earlier in the year.
No Garda to be seen,town as busy as any other day,lots of people out and about .
Last time it was a ghost town for the first few days with queues outside supermarkets etc.
Everywhere seems to be open apart from barbers,hairdressers and a few others.

Talking to people ,and maybe this is a reflection on the people I know,nobody seems very enarmoured of this level 5 stuff.
Bit less of the "we are all in this together" and a bit more of "this or that restriction is stupid,illogical etc"

selectamatic · 22-10-2020 05:54PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

No wonder there's been no evidence of transmission in schools so

To a point yes.

There's been some undeniable clusters in schools particularly a few primary schools however at secondary it very much appears to be that any and all cases are chalked up to community transmission or close contact outside the school setting which has resulted in very little subsequent testing trying to find any transmission in the school.

We simply don't appear to have the tracing and testing capacity to stay ahead of the curve. Whether this can be rectified remains to be seen.

NcdJd · 22-10-2020 06:05PM

_Brian wrote: »

Fair doesn’t really come into it though.

We have to be big boys and girls, less shops = less people doing unnecessary browsing and shopping = less opportunity for virus to spread.

Yea there are shops that are running on the edge but they are not the majority and the government seem to have allowed more stay open.

If anything the lockdown disproportionately affects women with hairdressers and beauty salons closed where most lads can manage with a buzz cut at home and few bother with a colour.

My point is why should small retailers have to shut down whilst supermarkets are open due to being classed as essential yet the are also selling non essential goods. Surely they should be told to cordon off or take the non essential goods away rather than making more profits at the expense of small retailers who now have their Christmas stock in or due in.

Link here to what I'm talking about.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1022/1173247-retail-excellence-appeals-to-retailers/

Say my name · 22-10-2020 06:11PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Bad outbreak in a nursing home in the west

All but two in the nursing home tested positive.

The only way they found out was one resident was admitted to hospital, tested and tested positive and the staff and residents were then tested.
Only for that resident was admitted to hospital they'd be none the wiser.

yosemitesam1 · 22-10-2020 06:41PM

Say my name wrote: »

All but two in the nursing home tested positive.

The only way they found out was one resident was admitted to hospital, tested and tested positive and the staff and residents were then tested.
Only for that resident was admitted to hospital they'd be none the wiser.

Would be very interesting to know if that occurred where there was a previous outbreak in spring

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