Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Rob A. Bank · 22-10-2020 04:58PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Surely restrictions aren't worth much unless schools close? If this virus is here to stay, they need a blended approach at the very least.

With regard to the schools issue... when does childhood end ?

They are lumping primary school children in with 17 and 18 year old students for the sake of saying that schools are safe.

It is accepted that very young children are not major drivers of virus spread, but can the same be said of Leaving Cert students ? Or for that matter university students ?

For instance... Sweden kept schools fully open without distancing or masks, but only for children under 16, who are unlikely to be super-spreaders of this disease. Both transmission and illness risks go up with age, and Sweden went all online for higher-risk high-school and university students.

Quoting incidence figures about schools from European countries like Sweden, in order to justify our strategy, is data mining at it's finest.

I Am The Law · 22-10-2020 04:59PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Unexpected scenes in my local Dunnes - didn't have to queue to enter (you would during lockdown #1) and there wasn't a run on toilet paper.

Worst Level 5 lockdown ever.

tobefrank321 · 22-10-2020 04:59PM

AdamD wrote: »

Retail should never have closed

Agreed. Its daft. Up the north they could find no evidence of infections being spread through retail or hair dressers.

Reckless Abandonment · 22-10-2020 05:00PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Level no one cares 5

Seems to me everyone and anyone is still open, no change. It's no where near Level 5 out there

Definitely looks like business as normal for most. The only way level 5 will work is if people stay out of each others homes. But honestly it took 2 months for the first lockdown to get the numbers low. I just can't see this one showing results in 6 weeks.

22-10-2020 05:00PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Level no one cares 5

Seems to me everyone and anyone is still open, no change. It's no where near Level 5 out there

I live walking distance to Dublin city center and go for a walk there every day at lunchtime. It was way less busy today from my experience, way less.

Coillte_Bhoy · 22-10-2020 05:01PM

AdamD wrote: »

Retail should never have closed

Our local Pound Shop seemingly agrees, fully open today

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:02PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

Yep, happened in my lab, which is a fairly small specialised service. Five people were off in our lab isolating as they work closely with a confirmed positive case until they were cleared by Occ health. We all had to try and cover as best we could, but if there are repeat situations it will have a detrimental effect on our service cover. These are the kind of knock on effects of widespread community transmission on hospital services.

Are you not considered clinical staff?

tobefrank321 · 22-10-2020 05:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately, it looks like the last two weeks were critical and we should have listened to NPHET.

Honestly, we might as well permanently shut down, if this is the way its going to be. Shutting down and opening up every couple of months, waiting for a vaccine that is only going to be partially effective for those in the high risk category, slow take up with everyone else and which doesn't actually stop you being infected or infecting others, leaving the at risk still at risk.

Infini · 22-10-2020 05:04PM

I honestly think that this is really a level 4 restrictions situation rather than a true level 5 that we were expecting and being told. This is like may/june again rather than march/april. There's people about and that and while some stuff is closed it's definately NOT like the initial lockdown. I honestly don't know myself if the restrictions we have are going to be enough this time since alot more stuff is open and that. Hopefully it is otherwise the only thing left is the nuclear option of shutting everything down outright.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:04PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Unexpected scenes in my local Dunnes - didn't have to queue to enter (you would during lockdown #1) and there wasn't a run on toilet paper.

Did a supermarket shop today and bought toilet paper. I couldn't help feeling all eyes were on me:D

bodhrandude · 22-10-2020 05:05PM

Any figures for Northern Ireland yet.

22-10-2020 05:07PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Honestly, we might as well permanently shut down, if this is the way its going to be. Shutting down and opening up every couple of months, waiting for a vaccine that is only going to be partially effective for those in the high risk category, slow take up with everyone else and which doesn't actually stop you being infected or infecting others, leaving the at risk still at risk.

We are talking about not having enough clinical/support staff to cover acute care here. This potentially could lead to a massive increase in deaths from diseases other than COVID-19.

Strumms · 22-10-2020 05:07PM

polesheep wrote: »

Talk to the interns who work in our hospitals almost around the clock for peanuts before they can be fully qualified. Then talk to the graduate nurses who couldn't get a contract from the HSE. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is.

I understand. Very much in fact , I get it from the horses mouth, I’ve a good friend who is a doctor and another a physiotherapist in a hospital.

However, with the manner in which we communicate now and how all information is at our fingertips on a phone or iPad, whatever... due diligence and research should enable any candidate to realize if they wish to work under those conditions...or not.

Not good enough that the state plows just under 300,000 euros to train and enable you to become qualified so you can help our citizens, you instead say ‘thank you’ and fûck off almost immediately to a different country ?

By that logic we could just send the money abroad.

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 05:07PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any figures for Northern Ireland yet.

666

MOR316 · 22-10-2020 05:08PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Our local Pound Shop seemingly agrees, fully open today

All pound shops were open during March, April and May

Gadgetman496 · 22-10-2020 05:10PM

MOR316 wrote: »

All pound shops were open during March, April and May

Yes they were & it was down to the fact that they technically sell food.

bb1234567 · 22-10-2020 05:11PM

Eod100 wrote: »

France, Netherlands, Belgium all in a bad way. Might be glad of these restrictions yet.

Yeh it really looks like these countries may surpass or reach same level of hospitalisations and deaths as they did in their April peaks. France is already at about half of the level of hospitalisations they had during first wave

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 05:11PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any figures for Northern Ireland yet.

5 deaths 1042 cases in ni

ED E · 22-10-2020 05:14PM

Dublin does NOT feel like level5. Not even close.

pauldry · 22-10-2020 05:14PM

Has the lockdown started yet or is it at the weekend. Everything still open as normal. Guards will probably be waving people into house parties at weekend.

If you are 5 months old this isnt a lockdown. The one back in my day was.

Happydays2020 · 22-10-2020 05:17PM

ED E wrote: »

Dublin does NOT feel like level5. Not even close.

I was in town today and yesterday. Very quiet today with marked decrease in traffic. We are not going to have the April type lock down with people afraid to leave their houses.

Littleredcar · 22-10-2020 05:18PM

cjyid wrote: »

Baggot street at lunchtime was like every other day. People everywhere going about their business.

So what’s the point in closing down businesses I despair

GazzaL · 22-10-2020 05:18PM

ED E wrote: »

Dublin does NOT feel like level5. Not even close.

And thank **** for that. Some semblance of normality despite the Draconian measures.

OscarMIlde · 22-10-2020 05:19PM

polesheep wrote: »

Are you not considered clinical staff?

I don't understand? Why does that matter or not?

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:19PM

Strumms wrote: »

I understand. Very much in fact , I get it from the horses mouth, I’ve a good friend who is a doctor and another a physiotherapist in a hospital.

However, with the manner in which we communicate now and how all information is at our fingertips on a phone or iPad, whatever... due diligence and research should enable any candidate to realize if they wish to work under those conditions...or not.

Not good enough that the state plows just under 300,000 euros to train and enable you to become qualified so you can help our citizens, you instead say ‘thank you’ and fûck off almost immediately to a different country ?

By that logic we could just send the money abroad.

You say you understand and then go on as if you don't. The HSE have not offered proper contracts to the majority of graduates for years. It is important for doctors to travel for experience. Many of them come back to work here highly experienced and bring with them the benefits of what they learned abroad... which is not paid for by the Irish taxpayer.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:21PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

I don't understand? Why does that matter or not?

A poster up thread said that clinical staff don't have to isolate and get a test within 24hrs. I was just wondering if those who work in labs are considered clinical staff. I think it matters a lot given the pressure on lab services currently. It was just a question.

growleaves · 22-10-2020 05:22PM

I consulted the oracle at Delphi. The goddess prophesied that the microbes and their human allies will be defeated in a great battle on the third day of Springtide and no longer will they trouble this land thereafter.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

I consulted the oracle at Delphi. The goddess prophesied that the microbes and their human allies will be defeated in a great battle on the third day of Springtide and no longer will they trouble this land thereafter.

Ah yes, magic mushroom season. I remember it well from my student days:D

bb1234567 · 22-10-2020 05:25PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1319221942797373445?s=20

Hopefully she will make a full recovery. Looks like she is stable according to the article, but 1 in 4 in Brussels test positive. Bad situation there

That actually made me very sad to hear, I hope this young woman makes it through this okay.

DebDynamite · 22-10-2020 05:27PM

How is COVID spreading so easily in care homes, hospitals and labs, where I think a poster said 6 of his colleagues tested positive?

I know it just takes one person to bring it into the workplace, but how is is spreading amongst the staff if masks should definitely be worn in these environments - or are they? Obviously it would be easy enough for patients to contract it as they are vulnerable and not wearing masks, but i’m surprised at the level of spread amongst workers in clinical settings.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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