Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 04:08PM

Could we put 20b into protecting the nursing homes instead of locking up healthy people? At some stage we will have to just consider doing this.

quokula · 22-10-2020 04:09PM

Strumms wrote: »

If I give my Hyundai dealer 50,000 for a Santa Fe..l I expect to be able to collect it, drive it and own it. Not given away to someone else. Same principle when WE spend OUR money training doctors .

Pretty sure paying for and owning human beings as if they're objects has been frowned upon for a few hundred years now.

redmgar · 22-10-2020 04:09PM

There are a lot of people literally waiting for the minute the hub thing updates. I'm assuming as you are in lockdown you don't have a lot to do.

22-10-2020 04:09PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Why up?
Tests of close contacts are presumably more likely to have positive tests. If these are omitted then if everything else remains more or less the same are you not introducing a bias to tests being less positive than previously?

The more likely contacts to test positive are household contacts however, who, all things being equal, know they are contacts, and the most likely to have a positive test are contacts who have symptoms. Given the issue occurred with results processed at the weekend, these should be showing up independently already as would have been exposed mid to late last week. If the downward trend continues, the contract tracing issue will have had no appreciable impact on the rate, if it jumps back in the next few days, its quite possible it did.

Wolf359f · 22-10-2020 04:09PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I got a call from the contact tracers today to tell me I'm a contact, my husbands test was Monday. They just ask him who his contacts are and what their numbers are. It was actually much more efficent to do it ourselves, me, my kids and friend are already isolated and tested. He was also waiting until today to get his code to upload to the app which is a very long time in my opinion

Must be a backlog with the app. Checking daily and it's usually around 100-150 people a day uploading their contact IDs. There were 374 uploading their IDs over the past 24hrs.
Really is no excuse for delays on that front.

seamus · 22-10-2020 04:11PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Why up?
Tests of close contacts are presumably more likely to have positive tests. If these are omitted then if everything else remains more or less the same are you not introducing a bias to tests being less positive than previously?

Because outside of close contacts the only other random people being tested are symptomatic. Who are way more likely to test positive.

So, for example, tomorrow you have 10,000 people who turn up for a test they're a close contact. 1,000 of them test positive (I think 1 in 10 is the official statistic).

You also have 5,000 people turn up because they're symptomatic. 750 of them test positive.

Positivity for the day = 1,750 = 11.7%

If the 10,000 close contacts don't turn up, then your positivity for the day is 750/5000 = 15%

But like I say, mass testing can fluff this. Replace those 5,000 symptomatic with 5,000 in a mass test, and perhaps 200 of them will test positive.

Now without your close contacts, your positivity rate is 4%

Every day is a mixture of symptomatic referrals, close contacts and mass tests.

So on balance we shouldn't really see a major impact from one isolated set of close contacts being missed, especially when we're testing 120,000 people in a week.

22-10-2020 04:11PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Could we put 20b into protecting the nursing homes instead of locking up healthy people? At some stage we will have to just consider doing this.

Who looks after all the sick people in hospital when all the people who work in hospital are off sick with covid/long covid or self isolating?

SleetAndSnow · 22-10-2020 04:13PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319293607015108610?s=20

And are they gonna do something about it?

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who looks after all the sick people in hospital when all the people who work in hospital are off sick with covid/long covid or self isolating?

Well the 20b would go towards that also. Protect the vulnerable/front line.

22-10-2020 04:15PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319293607015108610?s=20

And are they gonna do something about it?

What if you have a sports shop that always sold PPE?

circadian · 22-10-2020 04:16PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319293607015108610?s=20

And are they gonna do something about it?

Has a prominent football club and sports chain owner written all over it.

circadian · 22-10-2020 04:17PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Well the 20b would go towards that also. Protect the vulnerable/front line.

Amazing detailed plan, off ye go to the Oireachtas with that.

22-10-2020 04:17PM

Retail should never have closed

Funsterdelux · 22-10-2020 04:18PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319293607015108610?s=20

And are they gonna do something about it?

A preemptive strongly worded email?

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 04:19PM

circadian wrote: »

Amazing detailed plan, off ye go to the Oireachtas with that.

christ, when the alternative is closing the country, I cant see how you can be so flippant.

22-10-2020 04:19PM

rovers_runner wrote: »

The next two weeks are critical...

Unfortunately, it looks like the last two weeks were critical and we should have listened to NPHET.

Beanybabog · 22-10-2020 04:20PM

fits wrote: »

Is he very sick?. Hope you all get over it quickly.

He's actually not. Couple days of a cough and headache and is fine. I can see why people miss it - if there was no test done we would have said no way was it Covid. People keep saying oh week 2 is terrible but right now he feels great

boetstark · 22-10-2020 04:20PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Could we put 20b into protecting the nursing homes instead of locking up healthy people? At some stage we will have to just consider doing this.

Locked up my ass. Lockdown in name only

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 04:21PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319293607015108610?s=20

And are they gonna do something about it?

Absolutely nothing.

Don't blame places trying to stay open either, a joke that retail was given the restrictions its been given

froog · 22-10-2020 04:21PM

can't blame someone trying to save their business and jobs tbh. there is little risk with retail stores anyway. not a fan of naming and shaming them either.

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 04:22PM

France, Netherlands, Belgium all in a bad way. Might be glad of these restrictions yet.

SleetAndSnow · 22-10-2020 04:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Absolutely nothing.

Don't blame places trying to stay open either, a joke that retail was given the restrictions its been given

I don't either, but its very unfair on businesses that are complying while also trying to stay afloat when bigger stores just don't care.

Strumms · 22-10-2020 04:25PM

quokula wrote: »

Pretty sure paying for and owning human beings as if they're objects has been frowned upon for a few hundred years now.

No..I’m pretty sure that contracts that enable an agreement between two parties to be binding has NOT been frowned upon for, well forever.

I sign for Manchester United tomorrow, have a row with the boss on Monday, hate my teammates... I can’t walk, I’m under contract. Same should apply in medical terms here, especially when circa 300,000 grand is being shelled out for you by the public... you ‘can’ go but you owe the investment in you back to who paid for it, the people of this country.

Be in a lot healthier state re: covid if we had this.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 04:28PM

Strumms wrote: »

No..I’m pretty sure that contracts that enable an agreement between two parties to be binding has NOT been frowned upon for, well forever.

I sign for Manchester United tomorrow, have a row with the boss on Monday, hate my teammates... I can’t walk, I’m under contract. Same should apply in medical terms here, especially when circa 300,000 grand is being shelled out for you by the public... you ‘can’ go but you owe the investment in you back to who paid for it, the people of this country.

Be in a lot healthier state re: covid if we had this.

No we wouldn't. We would have hired a lot of Irish doctors and not hired a lot of foreign doctors but I believe the total doctor number would be similar.

niallo27 · 22-10-2020 04:28PM

Eod100 wrote: »

France, Netherlands, Belgium all in a bad way. Might be glad of these restrictions yet.

Let me guess, their hospitals are 2 weeks from getting overwhelmed.

s1ippy · 22-10-2020 04:29PM

Taoiseach says he is opposed to curfews as a way of controlling Covid-19 (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-says-he-is-opposed-to-curfews-as-a-way-of-controlling-covid-19-1.4388352

He's "not really a curfew type" of Taoiseach.

It's a shame he's not really a "support the airport in your home county staying open" type, seeing as there are a staggering number of job losses taking place there in the coming days. I only know one person working there, he's been there over a decade and his job is gone. He said it's being decimated.

normanoffside · 22-10-2020 04:29PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Let me guess, their hospitals are 2 weeks from getting overwhelmed.

The next two weeks are critical in France, The Netherlands and Belgium.

SleetAndSnow · 22-10-2020 04:30PM

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1319221942797373445?s=20

Hopefully she will make a full recovery. Looks like she is stable according to the article, but 1 in 4 in Brussels test positive. Bad situation there

bennyl10 · 22-10-2020 04:31PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Thats good.... Right?

Lower % positive because more tests are done

But more actual positives

daydorunrun · 22-10-2020 04:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What if you have a sports shop that always sold PPE?

Yeah, shin pads we're PPE even before we knew what PPE was!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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