Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

owlbethere · 22-10-2020 02:06PM

At first, when the toaiseach told us on Monday we were going to level 5, and non essential services were to close, I never understood it because there's no evidence of spread happening in non essential retail services. I think outdoor dining would be relatively safe. I was seriously p1ssed off whereas I supported the forst lockdown.

Then yesterday in the news we heard that contact tracing has collapsed, then it all made sense to me. They are trying to reduce community transmissions as much as possible.

Now I'm back to not being able to understand a god damn thing because the lockdown is not really a full lockdown. I was told there's loads of places still open like hardware shops, healthfood shops, etc and I suppose they are essential. There's still a lot of movement from people and it's not a full lockdown so I don't know if it will have the effects that it's supposed to have. Was there something in the news yesterday of some penalties coming in for people going against the guidelines and having parties, not wearing masks, etc. I suppose that will go some way into helping getting the numbers and cases down a bit.

CalamariFritti · 22-10-2020 02:06PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

37 confirmed cases in icu up from 35 yesterday.

4 admissions and 1 discharge so presumably that's one death in icu.

Jesus lads, why would you presume that? 4 out of 5 come out ok from ICU.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 02:07PM

growleaves wrote: »

Fungie had an exit strategy. We don't.

"So long and thanks for all the fish".

shinzon · 22-10-2020 02:07PM

JDD wrote: »

I know there are lots of reasons to mistrust the HSE. Good reasons.

But contact tracing is kind of black and white (lets leave out schools here).

Contact tracers: "The contact tracing team have determined that you spent more than 15 minutes less than 2m from a person who has tested positive. You need to get a test."

Me: But I don't want to get a test. Tell me the name of the person who has tested positive and then I'll decide whether I need one.

Contact tracers: We can't do that.

Me: Well, I don't trust that you have done this right. The positive person might have misremembered how long I spent in their company, or I might be of the opinion that I was in fact 2m away from them. So I'm not going to get a test. I couldn't really give two sh*ts that it's highly unlikely you're wrong. I'm just going to cling to the fact that you might be wrong, so that I don't need to inconvenience myself. Back to the factory floor I go!!

And it is attitudes like that is why we're in the mess were are in the first place, it is not an inconvenience to get a test it makes sure your not infected so when you do go back to the floor your not spreading it all over the place and bringing it home to infect your family.

Shin

marno21 · 22-10-2020 02:10PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Jesus lads, why would you presume that? 4 out of 5 come out ok from ICU.

37 today, 35 yesterday. 4 admissions means 2 have left ICU. 1 discharged out of ICU into a non-ICU bed and one death.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 02:11PM

polesheep wrote: »

Then it seems to be yet another system failure from the HSE with, as usual, the people on the frontline getting the abuse.

This sounds like blaming them because it rains too much! Unless we use aggressive East Asian contract tracing we can't force people to comply. GDPR, civil liberties etc. prevent that.

CalamariFritti · 22-10-2020 02:12PM

Turtwig wrote: »

George is the RTÉ science correspondent and I really really REAALLY don't like the way he reports on certain stuff. That said, the job of the journalist is not to ask tough questions for the sake of being tough. It's to ask the questions to investigate and determine the value of truth to something. His conclusion whether we agree with it or not may just be that the system is over pressured. In which case he's perfectly entitled to opine that remark.

Side note : by him sticking up publicly for the tracing teams they'll be more amendable to providing him future info and feedback than if he publicly lynched them.

We may need to tell Claire Byrne.

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 02:12PM

Lady from the nursing home on radio 1, it's so sad to hear what's happening. And she's positive herself and has symptoms of a head cold. Just goes to show you can't self diagnose.

JDD · 22-10-2020 02:13PM

polesheep wrote: »

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It was all good until the made up nonsense in bold.

Do we have any evidence that contact tracers have called someone who wasn't in fact a close contact?

Not as far as I'm aware.

If you were called by the HSE to say that someone you previously slept with has tested positive for HIV and you need to get a test, would you insist on finding out the name of the person?

Would you refuse to get a test if the name wasn't given to you?

And even if you did all that, would you go on to sleep with someone without protection because you don't want to inconvenience yourself and you have decided that it is likely the original person or the HSE have got your identity wrong?

EDIT: It's all very well saying the law should be changed, but it is an EU law, we cannot unilaterally break it. It is there to protect the your right to other people not knowing your health records. If you're okay with the law being broken in this instance, perhaps you would be fine with your health records being made available to your parents, or employer, or prospective partners??

polesheep · 22-10-2020 02:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This sounds like blaming them because it rains too much! Unless we use aggressive East Asian contract tracing we can't force people to comply. GDPR, civil liberties etc. prevent that.

They could always ask for permission from the person who has tested positive to give details to those they are calling.

Happydays2020 · 22-10-2020 02:13PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Jesus lads, why would you presume that? 4 out of 5 come out ok from ICU.

Let’s hope that we don’t get the NPHET predicted 64 - 84 additional people with COVID In ICU by Saturday week.

MerlinSouthDub · 22-10-2020 02:14PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s hope that we don’t get the NPHET predicted 64 - 84 additional people with COVID In ICU by Saturday week.

That does seem somewhat unlikely at this stage!

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 02:15PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s hope that we don’t get the NPHET predicted 64 - 84 additional people with COVID In ICU by Saturday week.

While it's rising it's been a moderately slow increase.

CalamariFritti · 22-10-2020 02:16PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Let’s hope that we don’t get the NPHET predicted 64 - 84 additional people with COVID In ICU by Saturday week.

In fairness I asked a stupid question because I'm obviously struggling with basic arithmetics.

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 02:17PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

That does seem somewhat unlikely at this stage!

I wonder will nolan ever get a prediction right? It would really be a great day for himself and his buddy ferguson.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 02:17PM

JDD wrote: »

Do we have any evidence that contact tracers have called someone who wasn't in fact a close contact?

Not as far as I'm aware.

If you were called by the HSE to say that someone you previously slept with has tested positive for HIV and you need to get a test, would you insist on finding out the name of the person?

Would you refuse to get a test if the name wasn't given to you?

And even if you did all that, would you go on to sleep with someone without protection because you don't want to inconvenience yourself and you have decided that it is likely the original person or the HSE have got your identity wrong?

Contradiction in bold.

Not everyone has the luxury of a good employer. Some people will lose out more than others if they have to self-isolate.

I'm not against contact tracing, I think it's essential, but I fully understand why some people would want evidence of their close contact before agreeing to self-isolate.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 02:18PM

polesheep wrote: »

They could always ask for permission from the person who has tested positive to give details to those they are calling.

I think it's the 14 days that's really annoying people. If ever there was a need for a new tool or strategy it's there. It's a long time not to be sick.

DrSpongeBobz · 22-10-2020 02:18PM

What number of cases do you guys think we will be at after 6 weeks lockdown?100 cases a day seems far fetched. I think around 600, hope I'm wrong

Duke of Url · 22-10-2020 02:22PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

What number of cases do you guys think we will be at after 6 weeks lockdown?100 cases a day seems far fetched. I think around 600, hope I'm wrong

That depends if people adapt their behavior.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 02:22PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

In fairness I asked a stupid question because I'm obviously struggling with basic arithmetics.

We could be wrong. The gap between old icu new icu admissions and discharges could be something else.

People missing from the hospital maybe?:cool::pac:

rafi bomb · 22-10-2020 02:23PM

With all the outcries from gym, companies and people I predicted this day next week we get an announcement of schools close for a few weeks and back to a march level lockdown

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 02:23PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

That depends if people adapt their behavior.

It also depends how many of the lost close contacts have contracted it.

22-10-2020 02:24PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

What number of cases do you guys think we will be at after 6 weeks lockdown?100 cases a day seems far fetched. I think around 600, hope I'm wrong

I think it totally depends on collective individual behaviours. I would expect it would be nearer the 100 myself if there is a high level of buy-in and compliance, but I suspect compliance will be a lot less this time.

JDD · 22-10-2020 02:27PM

I'm not against contact tracing, I think it's essential, but I fully understand why some people would want evidence of their close contact before agreeing to self-isolate.

Your right to know to prevent having to stay home for three to four days does not outweigh that original person's right to privacy. Sorry. It just doesn't. Even if you genuinely have concerns regarding your employment.

Be honest with the contact tracer. Tell them you can't isolate or you'll lose your job, and take your leave of the conversation. I can't see many employers wanting you about when you tell them that you're a close contact, but that you're coming into work anyway.

I suspect that most of those that are arguing the toss on the phone with the contact tracers are just f*ckin nosey, and want to find out who they caught it from. They also don't want to take the test because it's uncomfortable. That's it I'd say.

Nermal · 22-10-2020 02:33PM

SortingYouOut wrote: »

The lockdown will only fail due to lack of will on the people's part. It's people that are driving these cases up so we do have to take a collective blame here instead of pointing the finger at the government the whole time.

If a strategy depends on an abundance of will from the people, and it's perfectly obvious to all of us that this will doesn't exist, is the problem with the strategy or the people?

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 02:33PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

That depends if people adapt their behavior.

it will depend on how sensitive they set the tests at the time and also how much spread happens in schools.

shocksy · 22-10-2020 02:34PM

I was in Mullingar earlier and was in one of their shopping centres were a particular retail chain who only sells clothes and has a few stores around the country were open as normal. Clearly a big FU to the restrictions and to the people and also other businesses who are abiding by the new restrictions. Also, just incase someone says it, no it wasn't for click an collect. It was open for anyone to walk in and out with a couple of people in there browsing when I passed by. I'm probably not allowed name the company here but these should be named and shamed.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 02:35PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

What number of cases do you guys think we will be at after 6 weeks lockdown?100 cases a day seems far fetched. I think around 600, hope I'm wrong

The question will be what do NPHET think? Their track record on easing of restrictions is not great. Personally don't expect it to happen on December 1 and that there will be other reasons not to do so. It's only planned to go back to Level 3 anyway, which will probably stay till Christmas, thus messing up a lot of family Christmases.

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 02:35PM

shocksy wrote: »

I was in Mullingar earlier and was in one of their shopping centres were a particular retail chain who has a few stores around the country were open as normal. Clearly a big FU to the restrictions and to the people and also other businesses who are abiding by the new restrictions. Also, it wasn't for click an collect, it was open for anyone to walk in and out with a couple of people in there browsing when I passed by. I'm probably not allowed name the company here but these should be named and shamed.

what do they sell?

tobefrank321 · 22-10-2020 02:35PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

This lockdown is a comedy gold designed to fail.
They should instead employ 1000's new doctors and nurses rather than putting 240k people out of work.

Absolutely designed to fail. It will either be renewed on December 1st or else in mid January when we're back at 1200 cases a day.

Meanwhile they can't be arsed providind staff to nursing homes where the problems are, increase ICU capacity significantly and tracking is a joke.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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