Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Sweet.Science · 22-10-2020 01:23PM

Interesting the UK are doing everything possible to avoid another full lockdown . Listening to the stand podcast and the UK guest said it would be financial armageddon .

All good here though nothing to see. Roll on Dec 2nd

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 01:23PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I think he came back in September for the movie that they were making.

They found him floating in the sea off Wexford with 2 bullets in his back...

Funsterdelux · 22-10-2020 01:25PM

greenheep wrote: »

Did anyone hear George Lee's report on the 1 o'clock news about the tracing fiasco? He said we shouldn't "throw anyone out the window" for this because they are under huge pressure and any country would have struggled with such numbers.

Emm, shouldn't his job be to ask the tough questions and hold the government/hse to account rather than be making excuses for them?

I think he fell for Paul Reid's puppy dog eyed apology

22-10-2020 01:25PM

US2 wrote: »

If masks work why have shops been forced to close ?

As has been said repeatedly, masks are no magic shield. They can only mitigate the spread to some extent. You might as well ask, "if hand sanitising works why is the virus still spreading"?

polesheep · 22-10-2020 01:27PM

bennyineire wrote: »

There is a steel frame of a private hospital that was never built in Tullamore, some of you may have seen it as you drive by the town.

The steel structure is still fine, it is right beside the Midlands Regional Hospital. Just off the M6 and in a central location.

Would it not be prudent of the HSE to purchase this site an build a Covid hospital here ? It appears even with vaccines available we sill still need a to deal with Covid so surly this would make a prefect site for it as it is half built already

I'm sure you are well intentioned, but building facilities in areas of low population is one of the reasons why the health service is such a shambles.

Turtwig · 22-10-2020 01:27PM

greenheep wrote: »

Did anyone hear George Lee's report on the 1 o'clock news about the tracing fiasco? He said we shouldn't "throw anyone out the window" for this because they are under huge pressure and any country would have struggled with such numbers.

Emm, shouldn't his job be to ask the tough questions and hold the government/hse to account rather than be making excuses for them?

George is the RTÉ science correspondent and I really really REAALLY don't like the way he reports on certain stuff. That said, the job of the journalist is not to ask tough questions for the sake of being tough. It's to ask the questions to investigate and determine the value of truth to something. His conclusion whether we agree with it or not may just be that the system is over pressured. In which case he's perfectly entitled to opine that remark.

Side note : by him sticking up publicly for the tracing teams they'll be more amendable to providing him future info and feedback than if he publicly lynched them.

patnor1011 · 22-10-2020 01:28PM

This lockdown is a comedy gold designed to fail.
They should instead employ 1000's new doctors and nurses rather than putting 240k people out of work.

Boggles · 22-10-2020 01:28PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You won’t get an answer. Just more abuse for daring to question your betters.

You mean the vast vast majority of humans who understand the fundamental concept that if you cover your mouth the less stuff can come out of it?

You are openly abusing yourself with your remedial nonsense.

millb · 22-10-2020 01:30PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

**** sake

Send a few student nurses or something

Good learning experience for those kids

I believe some German care homes facilitated C-19 staff to (isolate in the care home &) also work on with C-19 residents. Sounds like something to consider ..

political analyst · 22-10-2020 01:31PM

How is the reduction - caused by the lockdonwn - in the amount of money the government receives in taxes supposed to be beneficial to the health service and other public services? It doesn't make sense.

Sconsey · 22-10-2020 01:31PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You won’t get an answer. Just more abuse for daring to question your betters. Same with buses. Carnage this morning apparently with essential workers left waiting for hours, while a double decker can take 17 passengers and a single decker can only take 10.

Wow, the guy who lies about having a mental illness so he won't have to wear a mask on a bus is now moaning about the government reducing the capacity on buses.

Maybe if you wore a mask on the bus like you were told to this would not have happened. You are in no position to complain since you go out of your way to lie to avoid the basic safety guidance.

Rx713B · 22-10-2020 01:32PM

Roads full tilt this morning - know of many un essential workers being told they are working or basically they will be temporarily let go. this lockdown is a waste of time , way too loose.

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 01:33PM

4th NI Executive Minister is self-isolating.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1319254978037506048

440Hertz · 22-10-2020 01:33PM

On the tracing calls:

They need to make use of any features on the phone networks to ensure their calls are flagged up correctly. If you display something like HSE COVID TRACE CALL instead of normal caller ID or no caller ID it might get answered.

Half the country won’t answer unrecognised numbers.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 01:34PM

1641 wrote: »

Sorry if posted already but it is sickening that so many people are just refusing to cooperate with contact tracing:

"Individual calls are taking three and four times as long as they should, because the traced are arguing the toss with their HSE trackers.
And it’s all down to patient privacy and GDPR, that unparalleled refuge of the jobsworth and busybody.
The EU’s data protection regulation, coupled with medical confidentiality, prevents the HSE from identifying the person who has developed Covid when they call close contacts.
This leads to those being called demanding to know who ‘Patient X’ may be, and launching into long rationales about why they need to know the name – so they can form their own judgement about how extensive their contact with that person has been.
The callers then reply that they can’t discuss or disclose the name, but would like you to make an appointment with a GP for a test, and did we mention that you should already be self-isolating?
Very few, however, want to immediately shut down their lives on the basis of an anonymous say-so, so the argument – and bargaining – rages over the phone.
It’s resulting in people declining to co-operate with the recommendation, and going about their business as usual – yet the associate is still marked as having been traced, even if zero benefit to that person or the rest of society comes from it.
But it is also massively extending the duration of phone calls, meaning fewer can be fitted into the working day.
With 400 people at work on tracing, and even 1,000 people testing positive on a given day, and these having five close contracts apiece, the numbers come to 5,000 divided by 400, or just over 12 calls to be made daily. Even if it were twice that number, or even four times that number, it should be manageable in an eight-hour day, should it not?
But no. Calls are long, and their argumentative or even intemperate nature may be feeding into people not wanting to work in tracing, with all the compounding problems that creates.
Many OTs (occupational therapists), physios and others drafted in from the general health service at the height of the crisis have been just gagging to get back to their original jobs, and were out the door as soon as non-Covid treatment began to be restored."
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/how-perfect-storm-of-patient-privacy-long-phone-calls-and-recruitment-issues-is-causing-our-contact-tracing-system-to-fail-39652227.html

This has been mentioned a few times but good to see it clearly spelt out.

440Hertz · 22-10-2020 01:35PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This has been mentioned a few times but good to see it clearly spelt out.

People can be unbelievable rude on normal calls to and from contact centres so, it’s not surprising.

JimToken · 22-10-2020 01:37PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Then we have this kind of problem! He's back!

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1319230279337332736

She just killed Matt Damon

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 01:37PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can someone explain the logic of people not being allowed to play golf, tennis, heck even swim in a pool full of chlorine. The health benefits of these activities which involve no contact with others far outweigh the benefit of their closure.

I can imagine swimming in a pool might not be an issue but it's the changing rooms. People can't really wear a face mask when wet.

But golf and tennis, if it's outdoors, I really don't understand.

weldoninhio · 22-10-2020 01:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

You mean the vast vast majority of humans who understand the fundamental concept that if you cover your mouth the less stuff can come out of it?

You are openly abusing yourself with your remedial nonsense.

Wear a mask, doesn't matter how, just wear one. Fit in. Masks help. :rolleyes:

*Dr Kim Roberts of the Trinity College virology department told The Irish Times that while there was some evidence suggesting face masks when worn correctly can have “a modest effect” on reducing transmission of Covid-19, “if not worn correctly, masks can pose as a hazard and can potentially increase the risk of transmission of the virus”.

* US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent the novel coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.

"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Adams said during an interview.

"Folks who don't know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus," Adams said.

*Using a mask incorrectly however, may actually increase the risk of transmission, rather than reduce it.
https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/Adviceusemaskscommunityrevised.pdf

*Acting Chief Medical Officer Ronan Glynn says while the level of compliance is encouraging, there are huge risks if people do not wear a mask properly.

"If we can just take the opportunity to remind people that if you are wearing them to wear them properly.

"We are seeing far too many people walking around with them under their chin.

"We are seeing many people wearing them but with their nose exposed.

"Neither of those things provide any protection and indeed may increase the risk."

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 01:37PM

440Hertz wrote: »

People can be unbelievable rude on normal calls to and from contact centres so, it’s not surprising.

Yeah, HSE person was telling me of the abuse their contact tracers have had.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 01:38PM

political analyst wrote: »

Given that no visits are allowed and that staff are wearing PPE, how did the virus get into the Galway nursing home? The virus didn't just jump in all by itself.

PPE isn't a guarantee. Infections can occur even in operating theatres.

Akabusi · 22-10-2020 01:38PM

bennyineire wrote: »

There is a steel frame of a private hospital that was never built in Tullamore, some of you may have seen it as you drive by the town.

The steel structure is still fine, it is right beside the Midlands Regional Hospital. Just off the M6 and in a central location.

Would it not be prudent of the HSE to purchase this site an build a Covid hospital here ? It appears even with vaccines available we sill still need a to deal with Covid so surly this would make a prefect site for it as it is half built already

That frame is up years I wouldn't be confident that it is fine. You do have a good point though with an extra hospital being handy.

SortingYouOut · 22-10-2020 01:39PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

This lockdown is a comedy gold designed to fail.
They should instead employ 1000's new doctors and nurses rather than putting 240k people out of work.

Where are these 1000's of doctors and nurses that can be employed, I didn't know there was a pool that big just waiting for employment?

The lockdown will only fail due to lack of will on the people's part. It's people that are driving these cases up so we do have to take a collective blame here instead of pointing the finger at the government the whole time.

22-10-2020 01:39PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Wow, the guy who lies about having a mental illness so he won't have to wear a mask on a bus is now moaning about the government reducing the capacity on buses.

Maybe if you wore a mask on the bus like you were told to this would not have happened. You are in no position to complain since you go out of your way to lie to avoid the basic safety guidance.

I don't think they are lying about having mental issues going by their posts.

manniot2 · 22-10-2020 01:40PM

Turtwig wrote: »

George is the RTÉ science correspondent and I really really REAALLY don't like the way he reports on certain stuff. That said, the job of the journalist is not to ask tough questions for the sake of being tough. It's to ask the questions to investigate and determine the value of truth to something. His conclusion whether we agree with it or not may just be that the system is over pressured. In which case he's perfectly entitled to opine that remark.

Side note : by him sticking up publicly for the tracing teams they'll be more amendable to providing him future info and feedback than if he publicly lynched them.

A key principle of journalism should be scepticism. Especially when dealing with the establishment. Lee is a lap god for Tony.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 01:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Then we have this kind of problem! He's back!

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1319230279337332736

The problem is that Orla O'Donnell (whoever she is) and her followers think that's worthy of being discussed.

What Username Guidelines · 22-10-2020 01:41PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, HSE person was telling me of the abuse their contact tracers have had.

What sort of abuse are they getting? I saw a headline similar in the independent, but it was a paywalled article.

Roger_007 · 22-10-2020 01:41PM

Rx713B wrote: »

Roads full tilt this morning - know of many un essential workers being told they are working or basically they will be temporarily let go. this lockdown is a waste of time , way too loose.

The heavy traffic on the roads could be loads of people visiting graves?

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 01:41PM

polesheep wrote: »

The problem is that Orla O'Donnell (whoever she is) and her followers think that's worthy of being discussed.

Poster with SOHF on Day 1 of Level 5!

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 01:43PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

What sort of abuse are they getting? I saw a headline similar in the independent, but it was a paywalled article.

Told where to shove it was one example.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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