Level 5 Restrictions - Q & A Megathread

schmoo2k · 20-10-2020 6:25am #1

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why Weddings are being given such special treatment?
If I were cynical, I would suggest that there is an upcoming wedding connected to a high-level politician?

Water2626262 · 20-10-2020 7:04am

schmoo2k wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why Weddings are being given such special treatment?
If I were cynical, I would suggest that there is an upcoming wedding connected to a high-level politician?

I reckon it’s because nobody would abide by the 6 person max rule so why try and enforce it. At least 25 is somewhat reasonable and something people would stick to. Likelihood is just close family who probably are all isolating anyway.

schmoo2k · 20-10-2020 7:29am

Water2626262 wrote: »

I reckon it’s because nobody would abide by the 6 person max rule so why try and enforce it. At least 25 is somewhat reasonable and something people would stick to. Likelihood is just close family who probably are all isolating anyway.

Then why only 10 for funerals, its the same setting etc.? (I am assuming they mean the service and not a reception)

Just stands out as an oddity IMO...

20-10-2020 7:39am

A funeral involes one deceased, so the 10 may cover their immediate family, while the 25 for a wedding covers the couple, the person marrying them and the 2 immediate families.

Edit to add: For funerals, I assume people can still be outside the church, and go to the graveyard? Similar to what was being done during phase 1.

woodchuck · 20-10-2020 10:42am

I think it's an absolute disgrace that 25 can attend a wedding and only 10 can attend a funeral. And I say this as someone who has postponed their 2020 wedding.

There seems to be some hype around it, so hopefully they'll change the rule and up the numbers for funerals. As heartbreaking and unbelievably stressful as it is to postpone a wedding, you can't postpone a funeral and allowing the appropriate rituals to take place is incredibly important for the grieving process.

woodchuck · 20-10-2020 12:45pm

Luckily they came to their senses pretty quickly:

Cabinet agrees to allow 25 mourners attend funerals during Level 5
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1020/1172618-cabinet-level-5-measures/

suicide_circus · 20-10-2020 12:47pm

Bridezilla's are scary

20-10-2020 1:32pm

I am relieved the numbers were increased for attending a funeral. I had a family bereavement in August, and it meant a lot to have the guard of honour from the community outside.

Mrs OBumble · 20-10-2020 1:35pm

Weddings should all be cancelled. They are not essential in any sense.

DopeTech · 20-10-2020 2:52pm

So we can now travel 5km from our home but do we have to stay inside our own county?

Gregor Samsa · 20-10-2020 3:10pm

No mention of counties at all:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

So the 5km rule doesn't prohibit you from crossing a country boundary.

biko · 20-10-2020 3:36pm

As far as I can tell there is nothing to say you cannot cross a county line for exercise as long as you are within 5k from home

greenerie · 20-10-2020 5:22pm

schmoo2k wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why Weddings are being given such special treatment?
If I were cynical, I would suggest that there is an upcoming wedding connected to a high-level politician?

Hotels have lobby groups. Funeral directors don't.

DopeTech · 20-10-2020 5:44pm

Thanks, I just wasn't sure since they change the rules so often!

New2Dubs · 20-10-2020 6:30pm

Anyone know if they’ll stay open? I’ve an appt on 6 Nov to transfer UK licence to Irish licence before the end of year. Concerned restrictions will drag on & Ill have to re-do my test.
Tried to book a back up appt for December, but website won’t allow.

Beasty · 20-10-2020 6:59pm

Threads merged with a spanking new title

NIMAN · 21-10-2020 7:43am

Are you now expected to visit your closest supermarket for shopping?

Sandz066 · 21-10-2020 7:52am

NIMAN wrote: »

Are you now expected to visit your closest supermarket for shopping?

Yes, spirit of the guidelines as always is to minimise the distance you travel thereby minimising the no. of people you come into contact with.

Pauliedragon · 21-10-2020 7:56am

Does every one attending said wedding or funeral have to live within 5k?

SusanC10 · 21-10-2020 7:56am

New2Dubs wrote: »

Anyone know if they’ll stay open? I’ve an appt on 6 Nov to transfer UK licence to Irish licence before the end of year. Concerned restrictions will drag on & Ill have to re-do my test.
Tried to book a back up appt for December, but website won’t allow.

I have an appt for late Nov as my Licence expires in late December.
The NDLS website is not updated yet to reflect Level 5. Tried to contact the phone number on the website but doesn't appear to be working.

yoshimitsu · 21-10-2020 8:34am

Hi, would my 6y.o. daughter hitching a ride to school by car with the parents of her classmate be considered a breach of L5 guidelines?
Theoretically, given that the kids are in class together, there is already a degree of indirect contact between our 2 families...

What if we hire somebody to do the school run for us by car? Would that fall under "childcare-related" services and so excepted from L5 restrictions?

Chivito550 · 21-10-2020 8:45am

Have I got this right: If somebody fancies a trip down the country to a holiday home in Dingle, Donegal, or Clare, and gets stopped by the guards, all you has to do is say you're visiting a grave and you'll avoid the €500 fine?

That's one mental loophole.

woodchuck · 21-10-2020 11:07am

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Does every one attending said wedding or funeral have to live within 5k?

No. Attending a wedding or funeral is listed as one of the exceptions for traveling outside your 5km.

Source: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/level5/#domestic-travel-restrictions

NIMAN · 21-10-2020 11:11am

Sandz066 wrote: »

Yes, spirit of the guidelines as always is to minimise the distance you travel thereby minimising the no. of people you come into contact with.

Agree that the spirit of it should keep you to your local supermarket, but in the wording you can go to any supermarket.

It says you can travel outside of your 5km for food shopping.

I would guess if a guard stopped you and you said you were heading to a different town cos they have an Aldi or Lidl, they are likely to advise you to shop in the closest supermarket to you.

odyssey06 · 21-10-2020 11:12am

woodchuck wrote: »

No. Attending a wedding or funeral is listed as one of the exceptions for traveling outside your 5km.
Source: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/level5/#domestic-travel-restrictions

Although I spot a potential accomodation issue if you live far away from the wedding...
Hotels, guesthouses and B&Bs may remain open, but only to support provision of essential services.

A wedding isn't an essential service, although it is a valid reason to travel > 5kms.

dmakc · 21-10-2020 11:13am

Chivito550 wrote: »

Have I got this right: If somebody fancies a trip down the country to a holiday home in Dingle, Donegal, or Clare, and gets stopped by the guards, all you has to do is say you're visiting a grave and you'll avoid the €500 fine?

That's one mental loophole.

True but you're overestimating the intelligence of the Irish population. We have people here querying if they have to starve within their 5km. Putting it out on the news without the fine print is where this will work

woodchuck · 21-10-2020 11:55am

NIMAN wrote: »

I would guess if a guard stopped you and you said you were heading to a different town cos they have an Aldi or Lidl, they are likely to advise you to shop in the closest supermarket to you.

If your closest supermarket is significantly smaller and/or more expensive than the supermarket you're travelling to, I think it should be find to travel further.

For example, if there's an M&S within 5km and a Lidl 10km away, I don't think people will be expected to do their weekly shop in M&S for 6 weeks :rolleyes:

woodchuck · 21-10-2020 11:56am

odyssey06 wrote: »

Although I spot a potential accomodation issue if you live far away from the wedding...
Hotels, guesthouses and B&Bs may remain open, but only to support provision of essential services.

A wedding isn't an essential service, although it is a valid reason to travel > 5kms.

The restrictions are literally riddled with issues when it comes to weddings. It hasn't been thought through at all.

Mebuntu · 21-10-2020 11:59am

SusanC10 wrote: »

I have an appt for late Nov as my Licence expires in late December.
The NDLS website is not updated yet to reflect Level 5. Tried to contact the phone number on the website but doesn't appear to be working.

Site updated now. Anyone with appointments all OK.

https://www.ndls.ie/

NDLS centres nationwide will remain open and all those with booked appointments can continue to attend.

vafankillar · 21-10-2020 12:00pm

Anyone have any idea if dublin bus will likely change time table to saturday again? I really hope not

hasdanta · 21-10-2020 12:27pm

Hi all,

My work is closing after today due to level 5. I will have worked 13 hours this week so far, whereas I was originally rostered to work for 29 hours this week. My company has told us to not sign on for the PUP as they will continue to pay us an average of our wages over the past few months every week. However, we’ve been told that next week we are only going to get paid for the hours we worked this week (so 13 for me).

Because of level five, I’m losing out on around 16 hours this week. Am I entitled to apply for PUP or the wage subsidy scheme this week?

Savage_Henry · 21-10-2020 1:09pm

What does the "emergency basis only" means? I guess we as a computer repair shop just stay open as usual?

Outlets providing electrical, information and communications technology and telephone sales, repair and maintenance services for places of residence and businesses, on an emergency basis only

the goon · 21-10-2020 1:56pm

Wondering can anyone help me with something I am trying to clarify.

Pensioner with underlying health condition, living with her adult daughter who has a mental disability and her young child. Can they form a social bubble with one other household? I think both the mother and daughter would qualify to do so if living separately but surely they would qualify in this instance where living together?

Thanks

timeToLive · 21-10-2020 2:34pm

the goon wrote: »

Wondering can anyone help me with something I am trying to clarify.

Pensioner with underlying health condition, living with her adult daughter who has a mental disability and her young child. Can they form a social bubble with one other household? I think both the mother and daughter would qualify to do so if living separately but surely they would qualify in this instance where living together?

Thanks

Everyone would "qualify" if everyone lived separately

But yeah, go for it. Follow all the safety precautions such as hand washing, mask wearing and limiting the contact you do have.

the goon · 21-10-2020 3:45pm

timeToLive wrote: »

Everyone would "qualify" if everyone lived separately

But yeah, go for it. Follow all the safety precautions such as hand washing, mask wearing and limiting the contact you do have.

Thanks. Yes, I suppose I meant that if pensioner was living separate to her daughter and child both would meet the requirements to qualify?The fact that they are living together doesn't make them less vulnerable but not sure if they then qualify to bubble with another household.

New2Dubs · 21-10-2020 4:45pm

SusanC10 wrote: »

I have an appt for late Nov as my Licence expires in late December.
The NDLS website is not updated yet to reflect Level 5. Tried to contact the phone number on the website but doesn't appear to be working.

Update to website states centres will remain open in level 5 & anyone with prebooked appts can still attend. Phew!

Beasty · 21-10-2020 7:04pm

Threads merged

vafankillar · 21-10-2020 8:20pm

a local dunnes is aapparently staying open even tho it doesn't have a supermarket department. are they chancing their arm or has essential stores been extended this time?

Galwayguy35 · 21-10-2020 8:49pm

Will garages be closed?

odyssey06 · 21-10-2020 8:52pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Will garages be closed?

No. Repair of mechanically propelled vehicle is an L5 essential service.

twiglet24 · 21-10-2020 11:55pm

New2Dubs wrote: »

Update to website states centres will remain open in level 5 & anyone with prebooked appts can still attend. Phew!

This has now changed to “essential workers only” and it says anyone else should cancel their appointment. I have an appointment for the end of November so am thinking of waiting to cancel in the hope that at the four week review they will put the level back down. I need to change my UK licence before the end of December, so I’m a bit stressed!

colinf14 · 22-10-2020 12:33am

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone can help on this issue. I will be leaving my rental accommodation when my lease is up on November the 6th. In there mean time I am looking for new accommodation. I am actually looking at accommodation that is not in Dublin where I currently am located. Is there any word if it is okay to cross borders for that reason including moving?

Thanks in advance,
Colin

New2Dubs · 22-10-2020 7:47am

twiglet24 wrote: »

This has now changed to “essential workers only” and it says anyone else should cancel their appointment. I have an appointment for the end of November so am thinking of waiting to cancel in the hope that at the four week review they will put the level back down. I need to change my UK licence before the end of December, so I’m a bit stressed!

Thanks for letting me know - we’re in the same position. I certainly wouldn’t pass my test after 22 years driving. I’ve also been told there are 10 mandatory lessons in addition to driving test? Please God it doesn’t come to that. I’m sure there are others in similar positions to ourselves.

newuser99999 · 22-10-2020 8:19am

vafankillar wrote: »

a local dunnes is aapparently staying open even tho it doesn't have a supermarket department. are they chancing their arm or has essential stores been extended this time?

It’s just clothes and homeware? Then they shouldn’t be open. I’m not surprised though. What a shower.

firemansam4 · 22-10-2020 8:41am

woodchuck wrote:

If your closest supermarket is significantly smaller and/or more expensive than the supermarket you're travelling to, I think it should be find to travel further.

For example, if there's an M&S within 5km and a Lidl 10km away, I don't think people will be expected to do their weekly shop in M&S for 6 weeks

I was listening to a sergeant guard on local radio here in Donegal yesterday, he was stating that you will not be allowed to travel outside the 5km limit to a larger supermarket if there is a local shop nearer to you, even if its only more of a smaller type store like a londis or something.

He was saying no to nearly anything that was asked as to what could be deemed as "essential"
If this guard is anything to go by, they will be very strict on this rule.

conor2469 · 22-10-2020 8:52am

firemansam4 wrote: »

I was listening to a sergeant guard on local radio here in Donegal yesterday, he was stating that you will not be allowed to travel outside the 5km limit to a larger supermarket if there is a local shop nearer to you, even if its only more of a smaller type store like a londis or something.

He was saying no to nearly anything that was asked as to what could be deemed as "essential"
If this guard is anything to go by, they will be very strict on this rule.

His relatives probably own a corner shop and hes trying to drum up more business! :pac:

I wouldn't be too worried about that, if you meet one that gives you grief about travelling to a further supermarket, just say that you tried the small local one first and there were quite a few food items you require that they did not stock.

Sesshoumaru · 22-10-2020 9:02am

I have a question, maybe someone can help? I've bought bicycles for myself and the rest of my family. I'll have to collect them, first one next Monday. But the bicycle shop is about 8km from my home. Is click and collect allowed over a further distance? The bicycle shop isn't open, except for click and collect. So I don't see my journey as high risk. But reading online I see encouragement by the government to shop with local shops and encouragement of click & collect. But I don't see anything about 5km exemption for click and collect?

td2008 · 22-10-2020 9:03am

colinf14 wrote: »

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone can help on this issue. I will be leaving my rental accommodation when my lease is up on November the 6th. In there mean time I am looking for new accommodation. I am actually looking at accommodation that is not in Dublin where I currently am located. Is there any word if it is okay to cross borders for that reason including moving?

Thanks in advance,
Colin

Yes

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/442/made/en/pdf

Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from
county of residence
5. (1) Subject to Regulation 13 and paragraph (2), an applicable person
shall not travel from his or her county of residence to another county or to a
state other than the State without reasonable excuse.
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes a reasonable
excuse for the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse for travelling
includes travelling in order to -

(p) move to another residence where, in all the circumstances of the
case, such movement is reasonably necessary,

redbel05 · 22-10-2020 9:20am

I run a small non essential shop. We were hoping to do online sales and click and collect or doorstep deliveries. But on the reading of the rules, I was wondering if:
1) Only people within 5km of the shop could do click and collect as its not classed as an essential thing to travel for?

2) Are we allowed to deliver to places further away? Our furthest regular customers would be around 1.5- 2 hours away. All within the same county though.

I don't want our delivery drivers to be slapped with a fine (or myself for that matter, as I sometimes deliver too). And I don't want our customers to be fined for coming to collect their items either!

woodchuck · 22-10-2020 9:22am

firemansam4 wrote: »

I was listening to a sergeant guard on local radio here in Donegal yesterday, he was stating that you will not be allowed to travel outside the 5km limit to a larger supermarket if there is a local shop nearer to you, even if its only more of a smaller type store like a londis or something.

He was saying no to nearly anything that was asked as to what could be deemed as "essential"
If this guard is anything to go by, they will be very strict on this rule.

He sounds lovely :rolleyes: I'd say they're just broadcasting the hard line to make people think twice about their journey. I can't see them forcing people to do their weekly shop in the small corner shop/spar/londis if there's a large tesco/lidl/aldi a couple of extra kilometers away. They weren't even that strict during the first lockdown!

micks_address · 22-10-2020 9:25am

Question on walking with a neighbour - can we grab a coffee and walk within 5km and sit down on a park bench and eat a sandwich? Seems clear you can't have people in your house or meet indoors or in your back garden. Can i walk with one neighbour today, a different one tomorrow?

Level 5 Restrictions - Q & A Megathread

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