Level 5 Restrictions - Q & A Megathread

Sardonicat

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Youd wonder about some people, ...

Its allowed, no ones going to be stopping anyone dropping kids to the grandparents to look after them for an afternoon...

It is not allowed which is precisely why the bubble system was introduced for those at risk of social isolation. But I think you know that already and like to justify a bit of guideline interpretation so you can tell yourself you're not the problem.

sabat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Indeed. What next. Like in school when you had to ask teacher to use the bogs. I feel some people have never left that mindset

I wrote a few weeks back that someone I know had a meal in Yamamori on George's St. Diners had to raise their hand and wait for a staff member to take them to the toilet and then get escorted back to their seat. To the OP: do whatever you want.

Quantum Erasure

Sardonicat wrote: »

It is not allowed which is precisely why the bubble system was introduced for those at risk of social isolation. But I think you know that already and like to justify a bit of guideline interpretation so you can tell yourself you're not the problem.

It's not about telling myself anything, it's about using a bit of common sense

sabat

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It's not about telling myself anything, it's about using a bit of common sense

Common sense is to ignore the government and this entire farce.

Sardonicat

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Your personal circumstances aren't relevant to the question, just like mine arent

They are when the reason my life is so constrained and my services have been stopped is because community spread us too high to resume services for the elderly because people like to interpret the guidelines to suit their own selfish wants. Wanting an afternoon free from the kids is not essential. Having to attend a hospital appointment and needing someone to mind them is.

Sheep Shagger

rosiem wrote: »

I have seen reports that Tesco are to close the clothes sections off in store anybody know if this is true and if Dunnes operate the same policy as need to buy some items tomorrow but don’t want to travel if they will both have sections closed.

Wouldn't be suprised if this is anything to go by.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/essential-retailers-risk-a-firestorm-if-they-exploit-the-closure-of-the-non-essential-1.4385489

ShineOn7

IliveinCork wrote: »

Looks like I'll be stuck with them on Saturdays for now then.

"stuck with" your kids?

DaSilva

Yeah sorry, it doesn't matter if what you are doing is no risk since you are both isolated groups, it doesn't matter if its good for the mental well being of you, your child and your parents. What matters is we stick to rules for the sake of sticking to rules!

If you look all around Europe you can see the amazing effect these kind of blanket rules have had in protecting people from the spread of covid

Rrrrrr2

DaSilva wrote: »

Yeah sorry, it doesn't matter if what you are doing is no risk since you are both isolated groups, it doesn't matter if its good for the mental well being of you, your child and your parents. What matters is we stick to rules for the sake of sticking to rules!

If you look all around Europe you can see the amazing effect these kind of blanket rules have had in protecting people from the spread of covid

Yea, So amazing in fact the countries with more severe restrictions have similar or same death rates as looser countries :pac::pac:

IliveinCork

Dogg Munde wrote: »

Ignore all the terrible advise above.

Yes, it's perfectly allowed... There's a specific exemption for the provision of childcare in the guidance for the household visit ban.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

In your home or garden

No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble).

It's also called out as an exemption to the 5km limit.


But this _is_ childcare...

So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD

IliveinCork

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Why even ask? Go do what you need to do Worthing the privacy of your family. The virtue signallers will always give you the official line.

I want clarification as to what is and isn't allowed according to the government, than there's no misunderstandings.
If it's legal but someone else has a problem with it than that's their problem and not mine.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Could be worse, you could be a carer for a person with dementia since March without a single break. Get a bit of perspective.

There's always someone who has it worse. I'm not looking for sympathy I just want clarification on what I can and can't do.

John_Rambo

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why can't people make these decisions themselves?

Some people need to be told. They need direct instructions, we see this in all walks of life in work, at home etc... This is entirely evident when it was left to people to take personal responsibility.

People need to avoid contact with any elderly people. Look after them distantly unless they need direct care. Avoid using them for childcare if at all possible.

IliveinCork

IliveinCork wrote: »

So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD

I think you had an agenda before starting this thread, as obviously what you want to hear is that its okay, when you know damn well, its not.

On your own head be it, if your parents contract Covid due to your actions.

I just hope if that does happen, you're prepared to take care of them yourself then, and not expect someone else, like a nurse or doctor on the front line, to do it for you, putting them at risk and adding a further strain on our hospital services due to your selfish need to not be "stuck" with your kids.

Mrsmum

See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.

Jim_Hodge

IliveinCork wrote: »

Well technically they would be helping me with childcare if Babysitting counts. It sounds like a two parent family can't have their kids out with the grandparents currently.



I've been obeying the rules since March, I don't plan on ignoring them now. It'd be nice if other people felt the same way in order to not prolong the whole thing.
There's been failures at government level too to be fair.

That's not child care or baby sitting as you seem to describe it. You just have the child visiting the grandparent to give yourself a break. That's not covered. If it was we'd have our grandchildren over all the time.

Jim_Hodge

IliveinCork wrote: »

So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD

Your scenario is not childcare though. Where are you going that you require childcare? And using an elder person is doubly wrong.

Rrrrrr2

Mrsmum wrote: »

See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.

I think we all have these scenarios and it’s all called living. You want to live your life in a paranoid goldfish bowl off you go- there isn’t anyone actually stopping you. The rest of us just don’t need the virtue signalling and gaslighting about it though

Rrrrrr2

John_Rambo wrote: »

Some people need to be told. They need direct instructions, we see this in all walks of life in work, at home etc... This is entirely evident when it was left to people to take personal responsibility.

People need to avoid contact with any elderly people. Look after them distantly unless they need direct care. Avoid using them for childcare if at all possible.

I’d ask the dog for her opinion first tbh- and it would be as useful and incisive as these people

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d ask the dog for her opinion first tbh- and it would be as useful and incisive as these people

People like you are the reason why case numbers are back at over 1000 a day.

Melanchthon

Mrsmum wrote: »

See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.

People keep giving the OP a hard time about the official guidelines but think about it, the schools are open, children according to Irish officials (unlike other countries officials) are not a significant transmission risk. The official rules aren't based on just evidence they are based on various governmental priorities, I am sure some of the posters getting annoyed are sending their kids to school despite other jurisdictions on this island officially saying school closures have a significant effect on R numbers.

OP bring your parents to your kids school, Covid transmission isn't officially an big problem in schools so they will be officially safe.

Unsarcastic I would say it depends if both both you and your kids have been isolated for the last week or two.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

Some people need to be told. They need direct instructions, we see this in all walks of life in work, at home etc... This is entirely evident when it was left to people to take personal responsibility.

People need to avoid contact with any elderly people. Look after them distantly unless they need direct care. Avoid using them for childcare if at all possible.

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d ask the dog for her opinion first tbh- and it would be as useful and incisive as these people

Hopefully the dog will give you advice similar to mine. Although kids don't seem to be superspreaders I'd keep them clear of elderly or vulnerable. I'm not here to argue or pass judgement. Do what you think is best while considering the stats and evidence.

IliveinCork

ShineOn7 wrote: »

"stuck with" your kids?

I like to use dramatic terminology sometimes for humors sake, I don't resent my children as you seem to be implying.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you had an agenda before starting this thread, as obviously what you want to hear is that its okay, when you know damn well, its not.

On your own head be it, if your parents contract Covid due to your actions.

I just hope if that does happen, you're prepared to take care of them yourself then, and not expect someone else, like a nurse or doctor on the front line, to do it for you, putting them at risk and adding a further strain on our hospital services due to your selfish need to not be "stuck" with your kids.

Most people want their opinion/biases confirmed by outside sources. I honestly just want clarity as to the rules.

Mrsmum

Melanchthon wrote: »

People keep giving the OP a hard time about the official guidelines but think about it, the schools are open, children according to Irish officials (unlike other countries officials) are not a significant transmission risk. The official rules aren't based on just evidence they are based on various governmental priorities, I am sure some of the posters getting annoyed are sending their kids to school despite other jurisdictions on this island officially saying school closures have a significant effect on R numbers.

OP bring your parents to your kids school, Covid transmission isn't officially an big problem in schools so they will be officially safe.

Unsarcastic I would say it depends if both both you and your kids have been isolated for the last week or two.

I don't want to get dragged off at a tangent but to answer your post, from a societal aspect, there is enormous value versus risk in children attending school, there is zero societal value to these grandparents giving the OP a break from his/her kids.

Melanchthon

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't want to get dragged off at a tangent but to answer your post, from a societal aspect, there is enormous value versus risk in children attending school, there is zero societal value to these grandparents giving the OP a break from his/her kids.

Kids having an extended break of day three weeks to a month wouldn't have a huge educational cost apart from maybe leaving cert year.
The argument is about reducing the viral spread, according to the current Irish official thinking schools aren't a risk, therefore these kids seeing their grandparents isn't a risk, if it is a risk then multi-generational households should be on a online learning plan but the idea of online learning was not considered by the government. The argument for schools being while the majority of society locks down is because they act as child care.

Basically either school kids aren't a risk factor of transmission or they are , whichever answer is chosen the official rules don't make sense in terms of reducing viral spread,

IliveinCork

IliveinCork wrote: »

Most people want their opinion/biases confirmed by outside sources. I honestly just want clarity as to the rules.

And they have been clarified for you, but you are looking for loopholes.

Which means, you really just want someone to tell you its okay, when you know its not.

NIMAN

firemansam4 wrote: »

Same radio station today had a government minister on contradicting most of the stuff that guard said yesterday, saying you can travel further to larger shops, and contradicting many other things as well.

None of them really have a clue...

Who was the minister on?

Missed it.

I'd like an answer to this question.
I like a weekly shop in Aldi but it's about 20km away.

Not sure whether to just knock them on head and get ripped off in Supervalu until lockdown is over.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Sardonicat wrote: »

But they are not providing essential care to a child. It's not an emergency situation where neither parent is available to provide the essential care.

Can you please point me towards where it says in the guidelines that said childcare exemption is for essential childcare only?

IliveinCork

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't want to get dragged off at a tangent but to answer your post, from a societal aspect, there is enormous value versus risk in children attending school, there is zero societal value to these grandparents giving the OP a break from his/her kids.

I can see where you're coming from and your point has some merit. I'd still like to know what the official stance is on my situation though.

Deleted User wrote: »

And they have been clarified for you, but you are looking for loopholes.

Which means, you really just want someone to tell you its okay, when you know its not.

It seems to me that I've been told I can't by some people and I can by others.

Where in the thread do you believe that it was clarified for me?

Dogg Munde

Dogg Munde wrote: »

Can you please point me towards where it says in the guidelines that said childcare exemption is for essential childcare only?

Dogg Munde wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

In your home or garden

No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble).

To quote your own post, only properly highlighted, this time.

A afternoon off for the parents is not an "essential purpose".

IliveinCork

IliveinCork wrote: »

I can see where you're coming from and your point has some merit. I'd still like to know what the official stance is on my situation though.

It seems to me that I've been told I can't by some people and I can by others.

Where in the thread do you believe that it was clarified for me?

I'm not in the humour for playing with trolls tonight.

Your question was answered, and the information is clearly on the gov.ie website.

Do your parents a favour and find an alternative babysitter if you're so desperate for an afternoon away from your kids


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firemansam4

NIMAN wrote: »

Who was the minister on?

Missed it.

I'd like an answer to this question.
I like a weekly shop in Aldi but it's about 20km away.

Not sure whether to just knock them on head and get ripped off in Supervalu until lockdown is over.

Deputy Martin Heydon, or something like that, junior minister from Kildare. Completely different answers to what the guard was saying the day before.

Well the way I see it is the rules seem to be open to interpretation, so the worst that will probably happen is they will turn you around and send you back. I would think anyway...

Joe1919

Planning your shopping

Supermarkets have been designated “high-risk” sites of infection during the COVID-19 pandemic. The Irish Global Health Network (IGHN) has advised that you should reduce the number of your shopping trips to minimise your risk of exposure to the virus. You can travel further than 5 km from home to do food shopping as part of Level 5 restrictions.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer/shopping/shopping_during_covid19.html#

The above is from citizens information (whom I would consider an official and reliable source) dated 22 October 2020, so I think its fairly clear that you can travel beyond 5 Km to buy food.

IliveinCork

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not in the humour for playing with trolls tonight.

Your question was answered, and the information is clearly on the gov.ie website.

Do your parents a favour and find an alternative babysitter if you're so desperate for an afternoon away from your kids


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I could just as easily claim you're trolling me.

There's different ways to interpret that quote from gov.ie so forgive me for seeking assurance as to what's permitted.
Nice touch at the end there insinuating that I'm "desperate" to get away from my kids, the truth is that their grandparents want to see them.

I'll stop responding to you here as I'm not in the humour for playing with trolls tonight.

JP Liz V1

There seems to be more different shops staying open this time around

I hope we get numbers down so 6 weeks only of level 6

Mebuntu

Mebuntu wrote: »

Site updated now. Anyone with appointments all OK.

https://www.ndls.ie/

NDLS centres nationwide will remain open and all those with booked appointments can continue to attend.

I only discovered an update on their website this morning. Only people who are essential workers can attend even with appointments made months ago. I've cancelled mine as requested which was for today. Over 70's will be contacted to post their forms.

Edit: https://www.ndls.ie/news/166-update-on-ndls-services-affected-by-move-to-level-5-covid19-restrictions.html

zerosugarbuzz

NIMAN wrote: »

Who was the minister on?

Missed it.

I'd like an answer to this question.
I like a weekly shop in Aldi but it's about 20km away.

Not sure whether to just knock them on head and get ripped off in Supervalu until lockdown is over.

Would you get a grip and seriously man up. I mean that in the best possible way. If you want to shop in Aldi then shop in Aldi. If you’re stopped by the guards just say you are going grocery shopping, they really won’t give a fluck. On the other hand the food in supervalu May be more expensive but it’s Far superior quality to anything in Aldi, you have a dilemma.

Beasty

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Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

People like you are the reason why case numbers are back at over 1000 a day.

Case numbers aren't really important, btw. It's only the hospitalizations/ICU and deaths that really matter. Those numbers remain low.

From the HSE website:
"Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths".

The numbers are similar. So why an international pandemic and lockdowns for this, but not for the flu?

gmisk

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There seems to be more different shops staying open this time around

I hope we get numbers down so 6 weeks only of level 6

Wait... there are 6 levels now?!

Rrrrrr2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People like you are the reason why case numbers are back at over 1000 a day.

The reason there’s cases is because there is an endemic respiratory virus that can not be stopped no matter how many idiotic “restrictions” virtue signallers like yourself dream up- I suggest you deal with it because there’s no stopping it- you’ll get onto the same page eventually. If not you can always self isolate yourself indefinitely

schmoo2k

Deleted User wrote: »

Case numbers aren't really important, btw. It's only the hospitalizations/ICU and deaths that really matter. Those numbers remain low.

From the HSE website:
"Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths".

The numbers are similar. So why an international pandemic and lockdowns for this, but not for the flu?

Those numbers are after lockdowns and restrictions, without which the numbers would be way higher...

As to the Flu we do have annual vaccinations for it.

Once we have vaccines for Covid-19 I would expect it to be treated similar to the flu (but if its not mutating then we will probably just wipe it out).

Melanchthon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Case numbers aren't really important, btw. It's only the hospitalizations/ICU and deaths that really matter. Those numbers remain low.

From the HSE website:
"Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths".

The numbers are similar. So why an international pandemic and lockdowns for this, but not for the flu?

The problem is the hospitalisations have say a two week delay compared to infection.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Case numbers aren't really important, btw. It's only the hospitalizations/ICU and deaths that really matter. Those numbers remain low.

From the HSE website:
"Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths".

The numbers are similar. So why an international pandemic and lockdowns for this, but not for the flu?

There is a vaccine available for the flu. I get it every year myself.

Of course case numbers are important. Every case adds to the risk of transmission to others, some of whom are more vulnerable than others.

Look what happens when one case carries the virus into a nursing home.

I really don't see how you can dismiss case numbers as unimportant. You're basically dismissing community tranmission.

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

The reason there’s cases is because there is an endemic respiratory virus that can not be stopped no matter how many idiotic “restrictions” virtue signallers like yourself dream up- I suggest you deal with it because there’s no stopping it- you’ll get onto the same page eventually. If not you can always self isolate yourself indefinitely

The reason theres cases is because of people with the same attitude as you.

Telling someone to "deal with it" or "self-isolate indefinitely" is a total cop out, and a lazy answer.

Isolation is not an option for the many at risk people who still have to leave their homes to earn a living, shop for groceries (some areas have no deliveries) visit the pharmacy, letc, etc, etc. They have no choice but to interact in the community and they deserve to have the level of risk to them when doing so minimised.

In other words, they deserve to be protected from the kind of ****wits who do not care about minimising their contacts and preventing transmissions, and show no care or consideration for the impact Covid19 could have on their lives and health of other people , once they themselves are not inconvenienced.

And as previously stated, the irony of it is, those who are ignoring the restrictions and making no attempt to minimise their contacts, wear masks, etc, ultimately the ones who will be responsible if the numbers don't go down, and the restrictions are extended again.

SCOOP 64

New2Dubs wrote: »

Thanks for letting me know - we’re in the same position. I certainly wouldn’t pass my test after 22 years driving. I’ve also been told there are 10 mandatory lessons in addition to driving test? Please God it doesn’t come to that. I’m sure there are others in similar positions to ourselves.

Same boat here, Uk licence,first i managed to get a appointment for 13th Nov at NDLS, then because i have i truck licence i need a medical, then i try to book that only to be told you need a eye test first before medical, phone Specsavers next available appointment Dec13th! then on here just read you need to be a essential worker ,didn't know that when i booked , but still working ,installing and repairing warehouse racking which i believe comes under essential , this is a Nightmare all to done before 31st Dec, if not ill be signing and out of a job.

KaneToad

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Youd wonder about some people, ...

Its allowed, no ones going to be stopping anyone dropping kids to the grandparents to look after them for an afternoon...

No one is going to stop you going further than 5km. Or from having visitors to stay at your house. There will be no enforcement of any of the restrictions other than the opening of businesses.

You'd have to wonder about some people who have no social solidarity.

timeToLive

KaneToad wrote: »

No one is going to stop you going further than 5km. Or from having visitors to stay at your house. There will be no enforcement of any of the restrictions other than the opening of businesses.

Huh? The gardai are out checking... and will be fining people

Itsallsocrazy

We have compassionate grounds and social bubbles.

But nothing is giving me an answer.

When you are in a long term relationship but living more than 5k or in different counties its very challenging not to travel. Especially if they're other issues eg. Mental health etc.

Are you travelling? Can we travel?

I'd love to hear from you

suicide_circus

You will obey all restrictions.

Beasty

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