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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #3722
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    That's what Pfizer have been promising, AZ are going higher. Some articles from June are stating 400mln doses by end of year. Since then they've added more capacity, up to 3bn doses yearly is the latest what I'm gathering.

    Thanks, it getting hard to keep up. Are AZ partnering with that Indian firm who manufacture vaccines?


  • #3723
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    Thanks, it getting hard to keep up. Are AZ partnering with that Indian firm who manufacture vaccines?

    Yeah they are


  • #3724
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    Stheno wrote: »
    Thanks, it getting hard to keep up. Are AZ partnering with that Indian firm who manufacture vaccines?

    Yup, Serum Institute of India. They are big.


  • #3725
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Very little good news on the vaccine front lately, pretty depressing , have they realised it won't make much difference and are saying "ah f*ck it lads!!! - Plan B !!"


  • #3726
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Hego Damask wrote: »
    Very little good news on the vaccine front lately, pretty depressing , have they realised it won't make much difference and are saying "ah f*ck it lads!!! - Plan B !!"
    We are on Phase 3 trials for several vaccines. No news (news being an adverse event) is good news. The trials are ongoing and the vaccines themselves are being manufactured. FDA cleared Oxford/AstraZeneca to resume Phase 3 trials today as an adverse event was deemed insufficient to continue pausing the trial. Several of the more conservative voices around vaccines have become more optimistic recently also.

    The only "bad" news I've seen in the last few weeks is the J&J suspension - but that could be a routine event

    What more news do you want?


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  • #3727
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    The talk of a vaccine as a saviour is pie in the sky stuff.

    1. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

    2. Rushed vaccines typically lead to complications. See also: Cutter incident, simian virus, and Swine flu vaccine.

    3. How quickly can the vaccine be circulated? If a vaccine is finished in say, July, how quickly can we expect enough of the population to have received it to go back to normal? 1 year?

    4. What about the people who wont take it? I wont be taking any vaccine, if I contract Covid (I may have already) the odds are beyond astronomical that it will harm me in a significant way.


  • #3728
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    1. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

    There's never been a bypass of Charleville. That doesn't mean one isn't possible
    Coybig_ wrote: »
    2. Rushed vaccines typically lead to complications. See also: Cutter incident, simian virus, and Swine flu vaccine.

    The vaccine isn't rushed. The typical timeframe for a vaccine involves several stages which this time are being run in parallel rather than being sequential. There is also a level of funding and resources being deployed here that has no precedent in modern society
    Coybig_ wrote: »
    3. How quickly can the vaccine be circulated? If a vaccine is finished in say, July, how quickly can we expect enough of the population to have received it to go back to normal? 1 year?

    Very quickly. In some countries, such as the UK, plans for mass vaccination are being prepared with the military involved. It's a monumental task but it's also absolutely critical.

    The latter part of your question I'll leave to someone else
    Coybig_ wrote: »
    4. What about the people who wont take it? I wont be taking any vaccine, if I contract Covid (I may have already) the odds are beyond astronomical that it will harm me in a significant way.

    Good for you. Maybe immunity passports might be an idea. Other countries might not be too keen in letting potential infection vectors beyond their borders.


  • #3729
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    I think this vaccine thread will need to be split like it is done on the weather forum for big events.

    Technical information/news/data/facts in one thread.

    Inane chat in another thread. I doubt if many people care about ill informed opinions on vaccinations, but if you feel the need to express yourself do so here.

    It's only going to get worse as we progress towards approvals.


  • #3730
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,425 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    The talk of a vaccine as a saviour is pie in the sky stuff.

    1. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

    2. Rushed vaccines typically lead to complications. See also: Cutter incident, simian virus, and Swine flu vaccine.

    3. How quickly can the vaccine be circulated? If a vaccine is finished in say, July, how quickly can we expect enough of the population to have received it to go back to normal? 1 year?

    4. What about the people who wont take it? I wont be taking any vaccine, if I contract Covid (I may have already) the odds are beyond astronomical that it will harm me in a significant way.

    I think you meant to post about 3700 posts ago...


  • #3731
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Is it just the same poster coming in under different names at this stage haha


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  • #3732
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    The talk of a vaccine as a saviour is pie in the sky stuff.

    1. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

    2. Rushed vaccines typically lead to complications. See also: Cutter incident, simian virus, and Swine flu vaccine.

    3. How quickly can the vaccine be circulated? If a vaccine is finished in say, July, how quickly can we expect enough of the population to have received it to go back to normal? 1 year?

    4. What about the people who wont take it? I wont be taking any vaccine, if I contract Covid (I may have already) the odds are beyond astronomical that it will harm me in a significant way.

    So much misinformation thats actually scary


  • #3733
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Indestructable wrote: »
    I think this vaccine thread will need to be split like it is done on the weather forum for big events.

    Technical information/news/data/facts in one thread.

    Inane chat in another thread. I doubt if many people care about ill informed opinions on vaccinations, but if you feel the need to express yourself do so here.

    It's only going to get worse as we progress towards approvals.

    Sick of the same hot takes regurgitated by posters.

    "Well I for one won't be taking the rushed vaccine." Grand. Don't.

    Go one step further for your civil liberty. Say to yourself "well I for one won't be posting on the thread about vaccines"


  • #3734
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    So much misinformation thats actually scary

    Could you point out the misinformation? The first response to mine was reasoned, even if I disagreed with some points, but "so much misinformation" is just nonsense.


  • #3735
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Indestructable wrote: »
    I think this vaccine thread will need to be split like it is done on the weather forum for big events.

    Technical information/news/data/facts in one thread.

    Inane chat in another thread. I doubt if many people care about ill informed opinions on vaccinations, but if you feel the need to express yourself do so here.

    It's only going to get worse as we progress towards approvals.

    That actually was the situation here. Technical information/news/data/fact but the number of threads merged disrupted that.
    Or perhaps more accurate to say, every time there is a merge the numbers attempting to disrupt this thread increase.
    I would not see that as just coincidence.


  • #3736
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    marno21 wrote: »
    Very quickly. In some countries, such as the UK, plans for mass vaccination are being prepared with the military involved. It's a monumental task but it's also absolutely critical.

    U.K. are talking about imminent vaccine approval, training staff to administer and planning for mass deployment....our media are discussing rolling lockdowns throughout 2021 in a seemingly never ending ‘Covid cycle’. Why can’t we have a shred of positivity from them (Luke O’Neill aside)?


  • #3737
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Could you point out the misinformation?

    Yawn. It's not on anyone else to educate you. I can see someone already tried.

    It's worse than trying to explain to a child that 2+2 =4. At least the child will actually listen. The likes of you accuse the 4 of being 5g in disguise halfway through the explanation.


  • #3738
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    U.K. are talking about imminent vaccine approval, training staff to administer and planning for mass deployment....our media are discussing rolling lockdowns throughout 2021 in a seemingly never ending ‘Covid cycle’. Why can’t we have a shred of positivity from them (Luke O’Neill aside)?

    Because there is a collective horniness for overdramatising and panic in this country that the media have latched onto going by the constant presence of Chicken Licken type characters on the TV and radio?

    Why was Anthony Staines on Newstalk this morning talking about a February lockdown? Is that really what the public need on a depressing enough day like today?

    Dan O’Brien wrote an interesting article on the subject of the constant depressing feed of information in Ireland. Our obsession with daily case numbers being an example. One of the more grounded characters on this subject.


  • #3739
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    D.Q wrote: »
    Yawn. It's not on anyone else to educate you. I can see someone already tried.

    It's worse than trying to explain to a child that 2+2 =4. At least the child will actually listen. The likes of you accuse the 4 of being 5g in disguise halfway through the explanation.

    Yawn.

    I fail to see how pointing out that we have never had a vaccine for a coronavirus is misinformation. Feel free to correct me there. By all means, please, correct me.

    I fail to see how pointing out that vaccines that have been rushed, have had complications attached. Now what I call rushed, another person is calling doing multiple stages simultaneously rather than consecutively.

    I fail to see what the issue is in wondering how long it would take for a majority to be inoculated?

    And lastly, I fail to see the issue in pointing out how considering the statistics this far in terms of deaths and their age profile - why young people may understandably have reservations about a vaccine that could have more side effects than the virus itself.

    I see any questions toward the lockdown and vaccine narrative still have some screaming 5g and tinfoil hat. Pathetic.


  • #3740
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Yawn.

    I fail to see how pointing out that we have never had a vaccine for a coronavirus is misinformation. Feel free to correct me there. By all means, please, correct me.

    I fail to see how pointing out that vaccines that have been rushed, have had complications attached. Now what I call rushed, another person is calling doing multiple stages simultaneously rather than consecutively.

    I fail to see what the issue is in wondering how long it would take for a majority to be inoculated?

    And lastly, I fail to see the issue in pointing out how considering the statistics this far in terms of deaths and their age profile - why young people may understandably have reservations about a vaccine that could have more side effects than the virus itself.

    I see any questions toward the lockdown and vaccine narrative still have some screaming 5g and tinfoil hat. Pathetic.

    I fail to see how you haven’t read any of this thread before posting your quandaries. If you had, you would realise that all your points have been already said (ad nauseam) and well and truly dealt with (ad nauseam).


  • #3741
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Is this the first vaccine ever produced that the majority of the population will take for the benefit of protecting others?

    No. As someone who has genuinely lovely memories of when I had Rubella and Mumps and remembers Measles as something I'd now compare to a 3 day migraine, (ie shït but fine). I got my son vaccinated against them because I care about not him not passing viruses that he'd almost certainly manage just fine with, on to people who wouldn't. That's what vaccines do. They allow those of us with good health, to share some of those benefits with those who aren't so lucky.


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  • #3742
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    I fail to see how you haven’t read any of this thread before posting your quandaries. If you had, you would realise that all your points have been already said (ad nauseam) and well and truly dealt with (ad nauseam).
    "The likes of you accuse the 4 of being 5g in disguise halfway through the explanation."

    Literally in the post I quoted.

    A ninja edit. Ok


  • #3743
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Literally in the post I quoted.

    Spotted and edited before you got a chance to reply. My apologies.


  • #3744
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    I'll duck out of this thread now.

    The fact that something has been answered before should not mean that it cannot be discussed again. There is every chance that new perspectives could be added by people who did not give a perspective initially. I find this rebuttal to be quite ignorant. Nobody is forcing anybody to respond to any post. You can put me on ignore if you dont like what I have to say, or report my post if you see an issue with it.

    I was and am curious as to how people can remain so positive about the timeframe, the distribution and the uptake of a vaccine. Those concerns are not trolling, or conspiracy theories, they are valid concerns held by quite a few people and they will be debated a lot more on the road to a vaccine, on here and in the media. Brace yourselves, a few posts every week or two are driving some to the brink currently. God forbid when more serious public discussion begins.

    Some of my concerns have been answered, such as the mass distribution. Though I still fail to see how having the means to distribute it once it arrives is the same as actually having the vaccine to distribute - there will be a demand for this vaccine on a level never seen before in human history. Maybe I underestimate the mass production possibilities.

    Some of my concerns, such as there never having been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, were answered more in hope than with facts. If we have more people than ever before working on space travel for humans to Mars, starting tomorrow, that does not make what is not possible yet, possible. Effort, manpower and resources do not always equal definitive results or achievement of a desired goal.


  • #3745
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Of the 100 million Pfizer vaccines available this year the UK claim they are getting 40 million. I doubt that’s true?


  • #3746
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Of the 100 million Pfizer vaccines available this year the UK claim they are getting 40 million. I doubt that’s true?

    Yeah I did read that.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/pfizer-video-sparks-hope-covid19-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-december/news-story/83e8daef7e06b4799dbb1a6b1afed88e


  • #3747
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    I'll duck out of this thread now.

    The fact that something has been answered before should not mean that it cannot be discussed again. There is every chance that new perspectives could be added by people who did not give a perspective initially. I find this rebuttal to be quite ignorant. Nobody is forcing anybody to respond to any post. You can put me on ignore if you dont like what I have to say, or report my post if you see an issue with it.

    I was and am curious as to how people can remain so positive about the timeframe, the distribution and the uptake of a vaccine. Those concerns are not trolling, or conspiracy theories, they are valid concerns held by quite a few people and they will be debated a lot more on the road to a vaccine, on here and in the media. Brace yourselves, a few posts every week or two are driving some to the brink currently. God forbid when more serious public discussion begins.

    Some of my concerns have been answered, such as the mass distribution. Though I still fail to see how having the means to distribute it once it arrives is the same as actually having the vaccine to distribute - there will be a demand for this vaccine on a level never seen before in human history. Maybe I underestimate the mass production possibilities.

    Some of my concerns, such as there never having been a vaccine for a coronavirus before, were answered more in hope than with facts. If we have more people than ever before working on space travel for humans to Mars, starting tomorrow, that does not make what is not possible yet, possible. Effort, manpower and resources do not always equal definitive results or achievement of a desired goal.

    It may not be one vaccine it could be several. The EU has deals with 2 vaccines makers. So that might help production.

    The vaccine only needs to be given too old people, people with conditions making the virus dangerous to them and frontline staff to reduce the number of hospitals cases.Which is the whole problem with the virus.


  • #3748
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    I wonder will they ever develop a vaccine for stupidity, wouldn't that be the day.


  • #3749
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    irishgeo wrote: »
    It may not be one vaccine it could be several. The EU has deals with 2 vaccines makers. So that might help production.

    The vaccine only needs to be given too old people, people with conditions making the virus dangerous to them and frontline staff to reduce the number of hospitals cases.Which is the whole problem with the virus.

    I believe the EU are trying to close deals with a further 4 vaccine suppliers (on top of the two you mention). Not sure how far along in the talks they are?


  • #3750
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    irishgeo wrote: »
    It may not be one vaccine it could be several. The EU has deals with 2 vaccines makers. So that might help production.

    The vaccine only needs to be given too old people, people with conditions making the virus dangerous to them and frontline staff to reduce the number of hospitals cases.Which is the whole problem with the virus.

    Well that certainly won’t be as big an issue with distribution and roll out if that’s the case


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  • #3751
    JacksonHeightsOwn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    U.K. are talking about imminent vaccine approval, training staff to administer and planning for mass deployment....our media are discussing rolling lockdowns throughout 2021 in a seemingly never ending ‘Covid cycle’. Why can’t we have a shred of positivity from them (Luke O’Neill aside)?

    At the risk of sounding like a baffoon.

    Surely getting people to administer an injection must be the simplest part of the whole logistical process.

    How many kids inject themselves for diabetes and don't get me started on junkies, and they certainly haven't got a steady hand.

    As farcical as this sounds, you'd like to think they would have a drive through system much like the testing. You drive up, hop out, bish bash bosh.


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