Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

raspberrypi67 · 20-10-2020 10:05PM

humberklog wrote: »

Prepped one of my shops for closing today, I'll finish it off tomorrow when I've put the stock from my other shop into safer storage for the foreseen future. On top of that I was to have an exhibition running in the Seamus Ennis Centre Nov/Dec, can't see that happening

I'm very fortunate to have independent (not a large corp.), generous and considerate landlords. Most SMEs don't.

This year these coming 6 weeks were as equally important to a lot of SME retail businesses as xmas itself because money coming in now would go to suppliers in order to take stock in for December. That's as simple as I can make that without getting boring about the current state supply chains.

I don't want to get into a business V. national health debate. There's a Michael O' Leary for every Tony Holohan on here with better formed arguments for and against than I can make at the moment.

But there's one thing that's bothered me for the last few months- this government took their foot off the diesel. Since about July the re-enforcement of the message and the enforcement of the measures of what was to be adhered to and why seemed to dissolve. That's not to take away from personal responsibility- but if a nation is to behave in a novel way for a period of time that requires continuous guidance.

Hopefully the government aren't going to spend the next 6 weeks having farting competitions staring at numbers on Worldometer but figure out what they can do better at the next lowering of levels to give guidance and maintain adherence of what that level requires.

tldr: I'm gutted, mad as hell and blame the gubberment on all my woes.

I do feel for people in business, level 5 is not right.

They should look at other countries such as Australia, levels are very low there.
I think the government will fall over this. They are incompetent...whats new...

Cilldara_2000 · 20-10-2020 10:05PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down on average over the last few years. April is outlier in 2020. Since then deaths down to bring whole year below average.

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I'm not sure that this proves anything just yet. The guidelines for registering a death state:

Deaths should be registered as soon as possible and no later than 3 months from the date of the death. You will require the written permission of the Registrar General to register any death that was not registered within one year.

Stheno · 20-10-2020 10:06PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Just heard Niall Boylann saying that 2021 is gone, these yoyo lockdowns will last all the way through 2021, he said some minister practically admitted it - is it true ?

Micheal said it today
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/well-still-be-in-cycle-of-higher-and-lower-restrictions-through-2021-warns-taoiseach-39646744.html

The civil liberties crowd are now on the Tonight show

niallo27 · 20-10-2020 10:07PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down on average over the last few years. April is outlier in 2020. Since then deaths down to bring whole year below average.

September can't be right can it, have we saved 1500 lives.

Jim_Hodge · 20-10-2020 10:07PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

Just heard Niall Boylann saying that 2021 is gone, these yoyo lockdowns will last all the way through 2021, he said some minister practically admitted it - is it true ?

It has been intimated by more then a few politicians and medical officers here and elsewhere for the past couple of weeks.

It seems inevitable that this will be the format until a vaccine is provided. We may get used to it I fear.

majcos · 20-10-2020 10:07PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Would you agree its important to know the ages of people that died though, they told us back in March. I'm not sure what changed.

I do not think ages of those who die need to be released publicly on a daily basis. The ages of those who died are obviously analyzed by HSE and NPHET which is important but it should not be the only factor used in analyzing deaths or impact of disease.

The details about specific cases I mentioned above came into public forum through sources other than HSE or NPHET. I would not post about anything, even anonymously here, that isn’t already in the public forum.

HSE and NPHET are bound by confidentiality which includes releasing any details that might allow the public to identify the cause of death of a specific individual. Even if HSE don’t release an actual name, releasing age of death for a specific death on a specific day could allow media to potentially identify that particular person. They have released tables with overall breakdown of ages of those who died since outbreak began. I don’t think they need to release those ages on a daily basis as statistically the age of a person who dies on a particular day isn’t relevant.

lawred2 · 20-10-2020 10:07PM

Do we ever get any specifics about those that died? For instance, the 13 today, what is the context there?

20-10-2020 10:08PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Down on average over the last few years. April is outlier in 2020. Since then deaths down to bring whole year below average.

There is a lag on registrations

Roger_007 · 20-10-2020 10:08PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Re the €500 fine, when stopped by a guard, what's to stop somebody just saying they are visiting a grave? You can visit a grave in Dingle, Donegal or the Aran Islands.

Only in Ireland.

Visiting a grave is one of the specified exemptions from the 5km rule. It doesn’t have to be a grave of a relative, just any grave. As you rightly say, only in Ireland.
In relation to the fines for house parties, is there any definition of what constitutes a house party? Is there a minimum number of people? Does there have to be food and drink? Does there have to be music? Is a dinner party the same as a house party?

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-10-2020 10:09PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I'm not sure that this proves anything just yet. The guidelines for registering a death state:

Deaths should be registered as soon as possible and no later than 3 months from the date of the death. You will require the written permission of the Registrar General to register any death that was not registered within one year.

Data up to June 30th is 99% complete.

Widdensushi · 20-10-2020 10:09PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I'm not sure that this proves anything just yet. The guidelines for registering a death state:

Deaths should be registered as soon as possible and no later than 3 months from the date of the death. You will require the written permission of the Registrar General to register any death that was not registered within one year.

Why would most people wait, obviously there will be outliers but the information will be very close.

Jinglejangle69 · 20-10-2020 10:09PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Visiting a grave is one of the specified exemptions from the 5km rule. It doesn’t have to be a grave of a relative, just any grave. As you rightly say, only in Ireland.
In relation to the fines for house parties, is there any definition of what constitutes a house party? Is there a minimum number of people? Does there have to be food and drink? Does there have to be music? Is a dinner party the same as a house party?

One that's breaking the public health guidance.

Cilldara_2000 · 20-10-2020 10:09PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Data up to June 30th is 99% complete.

Source?

manniot2 · 20-10-2020 10:09PM

this segment on PT about cancer issues due to covid is harrowing. wake the fook up lockdown merchants.

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-10-2020 10:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a lag on registrations

Sorry yes. Should have qualified first 6 months are fully complete.

Cilldara_2000 · 20-10-2020 10:10PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Why would most people wait, obviously there will be outliers but the information will be very close.

Because sorting out paperwork isn't your first priority when someone dies.

CoronaBlocker · 20-10-2020 10:10PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Most of the time if there is downtime on a website they usually work with 00.05 or something like that rather than midnight to stop this type of confusion .

It's exactly why the hour goes back at 0200.

Jim_Hodge · 20-10-2020 10:10PM

raspberrypi67 wrote: »

I do feel for people in business, level 5 is not right.

They should look at other countries such as Australia, levels are very low there.
I think the government will fall over this. They are incompetent...whats new...

Australia? Like where Melbourne is?

100 days confined to their homes and ordered not to leave for more than two hours of daily exercise – it started as a one hour limit

rob316 · 20-10-2020 10:11PM

NPHET are going to look like fools in a few weeks time when the cases aren't dropping and they are wondering why after moving us to level 5. Couldn't be the schools they said they're safe!

iamwhoiam · 20-10-2020 10:11PM

Does anyone else think that 6 weeks was just too much to land on a very stressed nation ? I understand why we need this and am well aware of rising numbers but 6 weeks is like a sentence and too much to handle mentally
My husbands family phoned from Germany to say it was all over their news how long Irelands lockdown is . They were astonished at the 6 week duration

alentejo · 20-10-2020 10:12PM

Did I hear that Clare Byrne is having a countdown to level 5 on her RTE Radio 1 show tomorrow morning?

46 Long · 20-10-2020 10:12PM

martingriff wrote: »

And this matters why it is 13 people who have died early due to Covid. Have some respect

Couple of reasons why it matters

- Knowledge is power and the more we know about Covid the better. It should shape the public health response and it gives people the tools to protect themselves. We know that obesity and Vit. D deficiency are risk factors for example, therefore losing weight and picking up some supplemental vitamins is a good idea. We know that it disproportionally affects older people, hence the advice to cocoon the over 70s. We should be applying targeted measures based on information like this to shield vulnerable groups, not brute force measures like lockdowns that destroy the lives of those with little to fear from Covid.

- The government and NPHET have systematically used the media to drum up public support for unpopular, largely ineffective, unsustainable measures. The most egregious example are the 'daily' fatalities which have in the past included people who died weeks or even months prior.

- We should be looking at this as dispassionately and objectively as possible. Covid is likely going to become endemic here and we're just going to have to learn to live with it. People are going to die no matter what we do.

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-10-2020 10:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

September can't be right can it, have we saved 1500 lives.

Yes, edited post. Only first 6 months fully complete. but July is probably 90% complete at this stage.

3 months to register a death.

But we barely have had any Covid deaths until this month in that period.

bb1234567 · 20-10-2020 10:12PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Australia? Like where Melbourne is?

Have to wonder if some posters have switched on any international news in the last month. Some people seem to think Ireland is the only country reacting in any way to a covid outbreak

normanoffside · 20-10-2020 10:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

September can't be right can it, have we saved 1500 lives.

My Understanding is that only up until the end of June is complete.
You have up to 3 months to register a death.

manniot2 · 20-10-2020 10:13PM

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET are going to look like fools in a few weeks time when the cases aren't dropping and they are wondering why after moving us to level 5. Couldn't be the schools they said they're safe!

they will blame the public

petes · 20-10-2020 10:13PM

manniot2 wrote: »

this segment on PT about cancer issues due to covid is harrowing. wake the fook up lockdown merchants.

And do what exactly,? Level 5 is here for six weeks and there is **** all you, I or any 'lock down' merchant can do about it.

odyssey06 · 20-10-2020 10:14PM

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET are going to look like fools in a few weeks time when the cases aren't dropping and they are wondering why after moving us to level 5. Couldn't be the schools they said they're safe!

Its the billion euro question...

Widdensushi · 20-10-2020 10:14PM

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET are going to look like fools in a few weeks time when the cases aren't dropping and they are wondering why after moving us to level 5. Couldn't be the schools they said they're safe!

Cases are dropping pre level 5, hopefully that trend will continue.

CoronaBlocker · 20-10-2020 10:14PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Dublin virtual marathon this weekend, they will have GPS data on us all if we go outside 5k, if I stop at the shop on the way am I covered.

Hold on - I paid €15 to enter the marathon entry raffle for the 2020 race (despite having run 7 of them before)... and never heard anything back. Where the hell did my €15 refund go? Have to get onto this in the morning, right after my hangover clears up.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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