Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

AdamD wrote: »

18 months? Have you lost the plot?

Even vaccinating half the population would utterly destroy the spread of the virus and need for restrictions

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. It can be hard enough to slow the virus a the moment with distancing, work from home and limited contact. What impact would concerts, night clubs and packed sports events have on it with a vaccine that's 50% effective and 50% of the population vaccinated?

It never fails to amaze me how optimistic people can be when they want something to happen quickly. The reality is that things take time.

paw patrol wrote: »

exercising in the park doesn't have the same effect.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where did you get the bit in bold? Exercise has the exact same effect whether it's done in the park or the gym or at home or at the top of a mountain. There are more youtube exercise videos than you could ever possibly even hope to complete. Some people might like heavy weight training and will either have to buy heavy weights or just change their training regime. I've bought a set of free weights for 80 quid and they've been great when combined with the youtube classes. Between cardio classes, strength training, top half, bottom half, core workouts, beginners, intermediate, advanced versions of exercises, I'm kept going.

I can't help thinking that IF you want to train to maintain your mental health then you can do it, no bother. If you want to limit the benefits of exercise to one location in the world (your local gym), then you're bunched. But it's very much a choice for you to make.

MrStuffins wrote: »

as somebody who hits the gym 5-6 days a week and has done for about 15 years and then transitioned to exercising in the park over covid lockdown. I can safely say - they aren't the same. not even close.
Not saying the park isn't beneficial - it's better than nothing for sure.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Not possible? You're saying it's not possible for people to not go to the pub?

There is no universe where that is true!

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The sudden demand for people to stop going to the pub is necessary. If it weren't necessary then it would be completely out of order.

It was necessary in april , may after that when we knew the impact of covdi it was not. yeah i'll give you June if you want.

But after july 1st closing anything wasn't necessary.


They have closed down the entire country when all that was necessary was to protect the vulnerable. People should be allowed make their own judgements on risky behaviour and not pay for government mismanagement of the health system - ironically we are being led by 2 former ministers for health



sorry not rehashing points I've made at least 10 times ..

MrStuffins wrote: »

I never said it wouldn't have an effect. Of course it will have an effect.

But if your argument is "If sudden changes in routine have an effect on people, then those changes need to be reversed" that would need to include not only pubs but absolutely everything else. And it's not possible!

Changing peoples' routines is not a good enough excuse to reopen the pubs i'm afraid!

ok, not sure we'll agree.
In fairness since I want everything (and I mean everything) reopened immediately and I've seen your position on other posts there is probably too much ground for us to meet half way.
So we are where we are .

paw patrol wrote: »

as somebody who hits the gym 5-6 days a week and has done for about 15 years and then transitioned to exercising in the park over covid lockdown. I can safely say - they aren't the same. not even close.
Not saying the park isn't beneficial - it's better than nothing for sure.

You mean you prefer the gym over the park or you do different exercise in the gym and the park? Or are you making some kind of claim about the effectiveness of the same exercise in different locations?

If it's the latter then I don't know what to say. If it's the former then it's just a matter of getting used to doing different kinds of exercise and that's up to you whether you want to do that or not. Opening the gyms so you don't have to do anything differently isn't the solution.

Fair play on making the change to exercising somewhere other than the gym BTW.

hmmm wrote: »

Flu is a very different vaccination. It mutates very rapidly, and the lack of effectiveness is due to the flu vaccination not targeting the correct strain.

Coronavirus looks to be mutating quite slowly, and the target of most vaccines (the spike protein) has not mutated in a way which would prevent vaccines from working.

Some of the more knowledgeable commentators I've read are hoping for 80% effectiveness (or better). That along with a big takeup should make a big impact, although I agree it will take time to manufacture and roll out.

A bigger issue with vaccines will be how long immunity lasts. That's also still an unknown, but it's probably likely we will have to get a jab every few years to maintain immunity and might see repeated outbreaks over our lifetimes.

Even getting into the possibility that it won't be near 100% effective and might need vaccinations every few years or maybe more than once a year, combined with the fact that some people will think they're too clever to take a vaccine means that things might never go completely back to normal. I think it will take much longer than people give credit.

Let's imagine the Vaccine becomes tested and approved in on January 1st. Then the task of mass producing it begins. The distributing it and getting people to keep appointments to take it. Begin giving it to the most vulnerable (old, immune compromised, carers and medical staff, so nothing really changes because they weren't out and about very much anyway. A few months later they start moving down the age brackets and start rolling it out to people who are exposed to lots of people because of their jobs, and then when all that's done it will need to be given to younger and the least vulnerable people.

With a population of 4.75m people that needs an average of 13,000 vaccinations per day over 365 days. So taking out Sundays and a few bank holidays you're looking at nearly 16,000 vaccinations per working day. Vaccinations can't always be stored for long so they'll need really good supply chains which will be under maximum demand. Ireland might be able to vaccinate everyone in a year but i don't trust poorly run countries to do it effectively so it will remain a global problem for longer and that impacts travel. Maybe travel remains restricted or maybe travel opens up and we just keep restrictions and distancing in place (meaning reduced numbers at events etc.). Now maybe the first iteration of the vaccine is only effective for 6 months so there's another round of infection and restrictions tighten again.

Or maybe we do live in a fantasy land and the vaccine is approved on January 1st and everyone in the world is immune on January 2nd and life goes back to normal immediately...

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I would be another 5 or 6 times a week gym goer, I have accepted they will be closed tomorrow. I'm not going to start going on about my mental health though because there are plenty of other things to do to keep fit and push yourself. The last lockdown was great because it got me into jogging, something I thought I wasn't built for, and now I can easily run 5k in less than 30 mins and have kept it up since gyms reopened.
And pubs are gone, but they'll be back, we know this for sure. At least I've had way less hangovers and spent far less money on booze because of their closure. Look on the bright side of the situation if you can, there's still lots of things you can be doing to develop yourself.

That's great. And fair play for adapting to the circumstances and looking after your health. I think more people should do that. But I also don't discount anyone who says their mental health is suffering.

You did the changes by yourself but othera need help and encouragement to make those changes.

dmakc wrote: »

So ****ing stupid. Sorry

hynesie08 wrote: »

How many days a week is the right amount so nox?

he commented on my post, he is just a troll so i won't be commenting on anything he says .

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Zero for me anyway

But I would say from people I know who go twice a week or so would appear to be the norm.

Drinking 5-6 days a week is perfectly normal, exercising 5-6 days a week is not good. Be serious.

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

I never said drinking 5 - 6 days every week was perfectly normal. I generally drink 3 days a week on a normal week which would be a very normal amount of times to attend the gym also.

This is off topic but that not what you say when you're going on about how much you drink and how normal it is.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not anti-vax, and have had them before, but I won't be signing up for this as:

a) I'm not in a group at risk from Covid (>0.3% chance of dying from it if infected). This would apply to the majority of people. Only the elderly and medically compromised 'need' to be vaccinated, if they choose to do so.

b) Vaccinations require years of longer-term testing to confirm safety. This won't be the case here. I imagine this will be the biggest reason for non-uptake.

Oh yes. Everyone who doesn't get the vaccination will have reasons why they're terribly clever for not doing so and we can't cure that attitude. So the fact that lots of people won't be vaccinated, will only prolong the restrictions. That was my point.

The vaccine being approved could well be 18 months or 2 years from the end of restrictions in places like pubs, sports and cultural events