Edwin Poots

O'Neill · 19-10-2020 11:34am #1

So another day another time where sectarianism rears it's ugly head.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1317182076702121985

It's themun's ect....My question is why on earth is acceptiable? I get why people will just roll their eyes at this but i'm getting tired of this now.

CtevenSrowder · 19-10-2020 11:37am

O'Neill wrote: »

So another day another time where sectarianism rears it's ugly head.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1317182076702121985

It's themun's ect....My question is why on earth is acceptiable? I get why people will just roll their eyes at this but i'm getting tired of this now.

Both the DUP and Sinn Fein up there are poisonous. The Bobby Story funeral was a disgrace.

Atlantic Dawn · 19-10-2020 11:38am

Is the difference 6 to 1?

O'Neill · 19-10-2020 11:41am

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Both the DUP and Sinn Fein up there are poisonous. The Bobby Story funeral was a disgrace.

The Bobby Story funeral was akin to the golf dinner by Irish ministers a month ago, it's an idiotic move and rightly condemed. Not sure though why this compares to this personally.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-10-2020 11:50am

O'Neill wrote: »

The Bobby Story funeral was akin to the golf dinner by Irish ministers a month ago, it's an idiotic move and rightly condemed. Not sure though why this compares to this personally.

It was considerably worse. A full scale public funeral by law makers breaking their own rules.

The other parties should have walked away from the assembly for a display of absolute gross negligence by a party obviously unfit to govern.

There is no if/buts/maybes. And not ONE of them resigned or was pushed out.

O'Neill · 19-10-2020 11:57am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It was considerably worse. A full scale public funeral by law makers breaking their own rules.

The other parties should have walked away from the assembly for a display of absolute gross negligence by a party obviously unfit to govern.

There is no if/buts/maybes. And not ONE of them resigned or was pushed out.

Absolute morans and yes of course they should've resigned but please stay on topic of my thread, otherwise start another one.

humberklog · 19-10-2020 12:03pm

Are his figures of 6/1 re infections in traditionally Nationalist areas V. traditionally Unionist areas?

Even if he was half right I think the issue of him making political gain from it is a lesser problem for Nationalist areas at the moment. The main problem for them is the point that guy is making.

retalivity · 19-10-2020 12:06pm

I doubt very much its 6/1. He's probably comparing some kip of an estate in Strabane with a rural farming village in Antrim, so being very selective in what he's comparing to score cheap political points.

Normal One · 19-10-2020 12:17pm

Obviously setting things on fire in honour of King Billy is exempt from regulations.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bonfires-lit-in-loyalist-areas-of-north-despite-covid-19-restrictions-1.4302586

gmisk · 19-10-2020 12:43pm

He is from the DUP what do you expect?
The 6 to 1 figure sounds like absolute nonsense to be honest.
For example Ballymena has increased restrictions and it is very much predominantly protestant.

FTA69 · 19-10-2020 1:55pm

Well done that man, finally someone telling it like it is. It’s about time someone stood up and started busting the myths about the Catholic Virus.

funkey_monkey · 19-10-2020 1:58pm

O'Neill wrote: »

So another day another time where sectarianism rears it's ugly head.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1317182076702121985

It's themun's ect....My question is why on earth is acceptiable? I get why people will just roll their eyes at this but i'm getting tired of this now.

Are the stats available to that level?
If they are and it backs up what he is saying then fair enough, but he/DUP/someone needs to provide the stats on which this observation was based. Otherwise its just another sectarian rant.

Mad_maxx · 19-10-2020 2:01pm

should guarentee him a few hundred extra votes at the next election

man knows his audience

O'Neill · 19-10-2020 2:07pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Are the stats available to that level?
If they are and it backs up what he is saying then fair enough, but he/DUP/someone needs to provide the stats on which this observation was based. Otherwise its just another sectarian rant.

'That community' ect.. of course it's sectarian. Derry/Strabane consequently had hardly any cases until the last month. The pubs and restraunts as a matter of fact closed voluntarily before the rest of the UK. Why the rise of cases? Who knows, close to the border? Donegal was very bad recently. Schools, university reopened, people being complacement but none of this is hardly exlusive to the 'nationalist' community.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 3:43pm

If you want your United Ireland you are going to have to start being nicer to the unionists. It is that simple. There is a million of them, they have rights too.

maccored · 19-10-2020 3:49pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If you want your United Ireland you are going to have to start being nicer to the unionists. It is that simple. There is a million of them, they have rights too.

they've had their arses licked for too long

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 3:56pm

maccored wrote: »

they've had their arses licked for too long

Keep it up, you are going to have to learn how to keep licking their ass going forward. For the rest of your life.

You are well used to it now anyway.:)

What do you think they are going to do, get the boat to Stranraer as soon as the border poll arrives? Don't be such a flute.

cameramonkey · 19-10-2020 3:59pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If you want your United Ireland you are going to have to start being nicer to the unionists. It is that simple. There is a million of them, they have rights too.

There may be less unionists in the North than nationalist now. There also may be less than a million Unionists. There are at least 5 times as many nationalist on the island, I think it is time for the Unionists to start being nice to their fellow islanders. They do have their rights but they seem to not have any responsibilities, they let the UK government pick up bill for their errant behavior.

maccored · 19-10-2020 4:03pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Keep it up, you are going to have to learn how to keep licking their ass going forward. For the rest of your life.

You are well used to it now anyway.:)

What do you think they are going to do, get the boat to Stranraer as soon as the border poll arrives? Don't be such a flute.

no.equality is the way forward. have you ever heard of that word before?

cameramonkey · 19-10-2020 4:04pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You are well used to it now anyway.:)

What do you think they are going to do, get the boat to Stranraer as soon as the border poll arrives? Don't be such a flute.

Didn't their leader Arlene say that she will be doing just that, she could not live on an island run by Fenians.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 4:44pm

cameramonkey wrote: »

Didn't their leader Arlene say that she will be doing just that, she could not live on an island run by Fenians.

She is all talk though.

You know that, Fermanagh women have notions.

Baggly · 19-10-2020 5:52pm

O'Neill wrote: »

Absolute morans and yes of course they should've resigned but please stay on topic of my thread, otherwise start another one.

Mod

Ill mod the thread, if thats ok with you, OP.

You focus on taking part.

If you have an issue with someones posts, report them - dont call them out on thread for it.

endacl · 19-10-2020 5:56pm

I always hear ‘Edwin Poots’ as a phrase, not a name....

Anyhow. Back on topic. Forgive the intrusion.

O'Neill · 19-10-2020 6:08pm

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

Ill mod the thread, if thats ok with you, OP.

You focus on taking part.

If you have an issue with someones posts, report them - dont call them out on thread for it.

Just a tip, you should learn more from Digital Spy forums and how their mods work. No need for the rude patronising language

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 6:13pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If you want your United Ireland you are going to have to start being nicer to the unionists.

Hilarious.

Unionists are going to have to start being nicer to their nationalist neighbours to maintain their little pretend country.

Baggly · 19-10-2020 6:14pm

O'Neill wrote:

Just a tip, you should learn more from Digital Spy forums and how their mods work. No need for the rude patronising language

Wasn't intended that way! Sorry OP

Eric Cartman · 19-10-2020 6:25pm

I wouldn't say its 6/1 but with historically higher levels of unemployment amongst nationalists and much lower representation in intergenerational inheritance (inheriting farms, businesses land) , nationalists (catholics) are still poorer , and as we can see from almost anything, if theres groups of people who love to disobey rules and go to funerals/protests/pissups its the lower income levels.

Obviously theres swathes of poor protestants up there too, the burning bonfires can swillers , but those types make up a lower percentage of unionists.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 6:27pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Hilarious.

Unionists are going to have to start being nicer to their nationalist neighbours to maintain their little pretend country.

Online molotov.

That is fighting talk now. Ya boya.

19-10-2020 6:28pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If you want your United Ireland you are going to have to start being nicer to the unionists. It is that simple. There is a million of them, they have rights too.

Nobody will want it when they learn what it will mean. It’s all just romantic dreams at the minute with no thought towards reality.

Eric Cartman · 19-10-2020 6:34pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Nobody will want it when they learn what it will mean. It’s all just romantic dreams at the minute with no thought towards reality.

thats it, its like a lad on the dole wanting a rolls Royce, it seems brilliant till you think about how utterly unaffordable it is.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 6:46pm

The biggest barrier for the next 100- 200 years will be the unionists kicking up after any border poll, there will be killings for sure. That will take generations to fizzle out, no one reading this now will see the day I reckon.

In around 300 years time no one will care any more and you will have the odd loyalist onclave around Larne or out Strangford. There will be some sort of dispensation given and a united Ireland will literally trickle over the line. It will be no biggie either at that point.

But giving out about tulips like Edwin Poots as if it is some sort of a thing is pointless, he is just drumming a few votes and whipping up fear, that's what politicians do.

maccored · 19-10-2020 7:14pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The biggest barrier for the next 100- 200 years will be the unionists kicking up after any border poll, there will be killings for sure. That will take generations to fizzle out, no one reading this now will see the day I reckon.

In around 300 years time no one will care any more and you will have the odd loyalist onclave around Larne or out Strangford. There will be some sort of dispensation given and a united Ireland will literally trickle over the line. It will be no biggie either at that point.

But giving out about tulips like Edwin Poots as if it is some sort of a thing is pointless, he is just drumming a few votes and whipping up fear, that's what politicians do.

how are the unionists going to manage to kill anyone without the help of the british government and the security forces? Or is this your answer - give in to the unionists or else they'll attack?

Theres a certain ilk of posters on here who should just come out clean and admit they are unionists. Theres no harm in being one, but this pretence is just laughable.

maccored · 19-10-2020 7:17pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats it, its like a lad on the dole wanting a rolls Royce, it seems brilliant till you think about how utterly unaffordable it is.

if someone really wanted one, then they'd put the work in and get one.

Ive no idea how you can talk of 'unaffordable' when the subject hasnt even been discussed at a national level. Theres no plan as yet as to what a UI will look like, so the idea of the republic buying up the north is a bit silly.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 7:17pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

unionists kicking up after any border poll, there will be killings for sure.

For what?

That's a simple question I've been asking on boards.ie for a decade and not one person has given me anything approaching a cogent answer.

Have a go yourself and see how you get on.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 7:34pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

For what?

That's a simple question I've been asking on boards.ie for a decade and not one person has given me anything approaching a cogent answer.

Have a go yourself and see how you get on.

I guarantee that given their history that you find more than a handful of intransigent loyalists who will not take kindly to the border poll, if and when it happens. There will be mass protests, riots, the works. That is before the sectarian shootings start and the bomb scares and the business boycotting and the etc etc etc.

I think another poster on the map thread alluded to the Ulster Scots provision being a throw in to the GFA to appease Unionists. I think it is fair to say that the border poll was the same to appease nationalists. I mean it cannot even happen without approval from Westminster?

Even when northern nationalists start kicking up because the British government start kicking the concept down the street there will be trouble. You know this.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 7:58pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

There will be mass protests, riots, the works. That is before the sectarian shootings start and the bomb scares and the business boycotting and the etc etc etc.

For what?

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 8:10pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

For what?

I have answered the question. There is no need to get pedantic because you are not satisfied with the answer.

As soon as any lobbying for a border poll starts getting escalated tensions will go ballistic.

You know this.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 8:23pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have answered the question

You haven't answered what aims would be behind the rioting/shooting. Lets say Unionists form a paramilitary group and come up with a list of demands. Can you give me some clue as to what they might be?

Re-partition for a Unionist homeland in Ireland? Where? Unionists are a minority in Belfast, Derry and four of the six counties.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 8:28pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You haven't answered what aims would be behind the rioting/shooting. Lets say Unionists form a paramilitary group and come up with a list of demands. Can you give me some clue as to what they might be?

Re-partition for a Unionist homeland in Ireland? Where? Unionists are a minority in Belfast, Derry and four of the six counties.

That is exactly what their aim will be. I would not take it lightly either. They will kick up bigtime.

Tbh I am not an expert in paramilitary activity, but yes, I doubt it will take a fortnight for loyalist paramilitaries to come out the alleys and kick off.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 8:40pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

That is exactly what their aim will be.

Try thinking it through, it's unworkable. The British state wouldn't want it, the Irish state wouldn't want it. Catholics/Nationalists would resist it vigorously with support from all over Ireland and the rest of the World.

The majority of Protestants/Unionists would know it's over and would just want to get on with it.

When there's a pro-UI vote NI is history. Irish Unionism will have to go all-Ireland or cease to exist.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 8:53pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Try thinking it through, it's unworkable. The British state wouldn't want it, the Irish state wouldn't want it. Catholics/Nationalists would resist it vigorously with support from all over Ireland and the rest of the World.

The majority of Protestants/Unionists would know it's over and would just want to get on with it.

When there's a pro-UI vote NI is history. Irish Unionism will have to go all-Ireland or cease to exist.

I doubt it will get as far as a vote. I would say the UDA or UVF strategy would be to start murdering catholics beforehand. it makes the most sense. Once the trouble kicked off again nationalist paramilitries will get their hands forced. They ( the UDA ) did the exact same thing in the 60's.

I agree that most British MP's want rid of the north, but they cannot be seen to be acting in that way. As soon as the violence kicked off you are into the army being redeployed etc etc. It sounds awful but hardline loyalists won't care.

If unionists were at all interested in a republic you would see more evidence of this. For example there would be no bullshight around language provisions or education and domestic policy etc.

More likely I could see a more autonomous 6 county NI developing over the next 100 years. Nationalist rights will improve, language etc, it will be governed by concession. But there will be hard lines, and a full 32 county republic will be one of them. Any mootings of a border poll will cause eruptions on the streets, everyone knows this.

osarusan · 19-10-2020 8:54pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Try thinking it through, it's unworkable.

That wouldn't stop them though. Even if there is no achievable aim, apart from maybe the deluded idea that they could somehow cause enough carnage to stop the results of a border poll being enacted, that wouldn't stop them.

I don't think it would be widespread at all - there would not many of them, but it only needs a tiny number to wreak havoc. There need be no other aim than to go out in a sectarian blaze of glory.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 9:24pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt it will get as far as a vote. I would say the UDA or UVF strategy would be to start murdering catholics beforehand.

So they make the non-unionist majority frightened and energise the the pro-UI vote and end up with the result they were trying to prevent.

osarusan wrote: »

That wouldn't stop them though. Even if there is no achievable aim ... go out in a sectarian blaze of glory.

So basically just go on a mindless rampage of murder?

It doesn't make sense, it would just create more grief for their own communities.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 9:49pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So they make the non-unionist majority frightened and energise the the pro-UI and end up with the result they were trying to stop.

In an ideal world yes, but it will not be that simple. I am not trying to patronise you here, but you need to see both sides when exercising a logic around it. Put simply it will only take a handful of murdering bad chunts to escalate violence again.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So basically just go on a mindless rampage of murder?

It doesn't make sense, it would just create more grief for their own communities.

I agree, but there was no sense in how it escalated before either. All it takes is a few sectarian murders here or there and things would deteriorate rapidly.

It needs another few generations of peace before it can improve. There are still remnants of hate that have not washed away. Take say Arlene Foster as an example, her father was shot by the RA. That might get forgiven by her.... but she'll never forget it. She will not forget a bomb on her way to school either. This cuts both ways, there are still too many scars from the troubles to leave families and victims without spite. That is a reality that only time can heal.

osarusan · 19-10-2020 9:55pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So basically just go on a mindless rampage of murder?

It doesn't make sense, it would just create more grief for their own communities.

It doesn't make sense, and would achieve nothing, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't do it.

Now, if we are talking say 30 years from now, when the old loyalist gang leaders are dead and gone, things may well be different.

19-10-2020 10:06pm

Anyone remember the BLM protests. Large groups of people all over the western world out protesting in large groups.

Junkyard Tom · 19-10-2020 10:12pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am not trying to patronise you here, but you need to see both sides when exercising a logic around it.

Logic is logic, it doesn't have two sides.

Put simply it will only take a handful of murdering bad chunts to escalate violence again.

Escalate presumes that there would be retaliation by Republicans, to that prediction I would pose the same questions. Who would they shoot in retaliation and what would they hope to achieve?

I agree, but there was no sense in how it escalated before either.

The Provos original actions were largely defensive, thousands of gun battles to keep the BA out of their communities so as to prevent being disarmed. The British did actually consider pulling out of the North and it was a theoretically achievable (if over-ambitious) goal.

Thatcher even threatened to pull out British troops after the Ballygawley bus bombing in a very colonial mask-slipping manner.

There are still remnants of hate that have not washed away. Take say Arlene Foster as an example, her father was shot by the RA. That might get forgiven by her.... but she'll never forget it. She will not forget a bomb on her way to school either. This cuts both ways, there are still too many scars from the troubles to leave families and victims without spite. That is a reality that only time can heal.

That friction will be there for generations, centuries even. No serious person predicts a Coke advert ending to all this.

trashcan · 19-10-2020 10:17pm

endacl wrote: »

I always hear ‘Edwin Poots’ as a phrase, not a name

Very good. The verb to poot.

Quantum Erasure · 20-10-2020 2:27am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

For what?

‘Our demand is a very simple one. We ask for no privileges, but we are determined that no one shall have privileges over us. We ask for no special rights, but we claim the same rights from the same government as every other part of the United Kingdom. We ask for nothing more; it is our inalienable right as citizens of the United Kingdom, and Heaven help the men who try and take it from us.’

Mad_maxx · 20-10-2020 9:36am

osarusan wrote: »

That wouldn't stop them though. Even if there is no achievable aim, apart from maybe the deluded idea that they could somehow cause enough carnage to stop the results of a border poll being enacted, that wouldn't stop them.

I don't think it would be widespread at all - there would not many of them, but it only needs a tiny number to wreak havoc. There need be no other aim than to go out in a sectarian blaze of glory.

a loyalist terror campaign is something we are going to have to deal with eventually anyway , its a question of when , not if

eventually London will tire of propping up northern ireland , brexit shows that the population never cared enough about it as northern ireland was reason enough alone to vote to remain in the EU but they never considered it

im totally in favour of a united ireland and firmly believe it would be an economic boon , markets love nothing more than borders coming down , i do not believe it is unaffordable and it would be a huge boost to northern ireland , no london government looses out by ignoring northern ireland economically because no one in northern ireland votes either tory or labour , they are the easiest people in the entire UK to take for granted

im also by the way in favour of us rejoining the commonwealth tomorrow as a way of showing unionists that we are not anti british , the commonwealth is a harmless club of nations , canada are members and they are about as british as michael healy rae , the centuries of british oppression is not reason to say NO to rejoining we would do so now from a position of strength

its reasonable to provide assurances to unionists and the commonwealth is a simple token of friendship

NIMAN · 20-10-2020 9:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone remember the BLM protests. Large groups of people all over the western world out protesting in large groups.

SSssshhh..

Not allowed to mention that. They were allowed to spread the virus, in fact Leo even tweeted his delight they marched.

But every other march or grouping of people = BAD!

Politicians aren't stupid. Very few condemned those BLM marches, for fear of political suicide and the mob coming after you calling you a racist.

Edwin Poots

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