Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

The Mighty Quinn · 19-10-2020 08:57AM

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 19-10-2020 08:58AM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

We will see.

How do you expect the internet to have an answer where there hasn't been an announcement yet.

The Mighty Quinn · 19-10-2020 08:59AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

We will see.

How do you expect the internet to have an answer where there hasn't been an announcement yet.

Any need for the tone? A simple, "we'll have to see I suppose" would have sufficed.

circadian · 19-10-2020 09:01AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not when you have situations like the following.
This is from a piece on RTE this morning about how one case infected 56.

56 cases linked to man who returned from abroad

So if you have people going around the place like normal after a test and while awaiting results then you will never beat the virus.

This, out in the car with the other half a few days ago and we saw several different large groups of older teenagers maurading around. She just said "we don't stand a chance, do we?"

Cilldara_2000 · 19-10-2020 09:04AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Tackle the main cause of the spread: the GAA combined with post match celebrations.

Nonsense. Not the main cause and already tackled by the GAA anyway.

Plumbthedepths · 19-10-2020 09:07AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Remember Varadkar used Belgium as a country that we should follow example of at start of this month. Situation there very bad lately.

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1318087603158212608

I think you may be misrepresenting what Leo said about Belgium. He was referring to how Belgium reports cases.

Necro · 19-10-2020 09:08AM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

Presumably yes, particularly as the restrictions are going to come in much earlier in the week than Cavan/Donegal/Monaghan.

But it's a wait and see approach until we know more I suppose. Which won't be till this evening when this thread will have reached peak crazy

Boggles · 19-10-2020 09:08AM

rob316 wrote: »

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

TBF Retail need to tidy up a bit from what I have seen, I'm been in some fairly uncomfortable packed stores in the past few weeks. But I agree closing most retail is daft.

RE schools, how they can remain at full capacity when it's established fact now contact tracing has collapsed is a complete mystery. That would be at best wreckless.

Some media suggesting a decision on them has still to be reached by cabinet.

I imagine the unions will get a lot more vocal this week as they have been asking some very pertinent questions the past few months but have been pretty much ignored.

What is very much certain, we will have Martin on at 9 o'clock tonight fumbling and fúcking from the podium about "clarity".

Busi_Girl08 · 19-10-2020 09:08AM

circadian wrote: »

This, out in the car with the other half a few days ago and we saw several different large groups of older teenagers maurading around. She just said "we don't stand a chance, do we?"

I saw a few Garda cars around over the weekend, including squad cars and the weird "GARDA" emblazoned Renault people carriers. Are they actually doing anything to stop those crowds of kids or are they just out for a potter enjoying the scenery of suburban South County Dublin?

Necro · 19-10-2020 09:09AM

Boggles wrote: »

What is very much certain, we will Martin on at 9 o'clock tonight fumbling and fúcking from the podium about "clarity".

Oh sh1te I forgot we will likely get another national address. God I'm sick of them right now

shocksy · 19-10-2020 09:10AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Nonsense. Not the main cause and already tackled by the GAA anyway.

It's not nonsense. The GAA has been the cause of huge spread of the virus. That should have been all cancelled until next year. They have alot to answer for running their meaningless and pointless stupid local games that the majority of the country don't give a f**k about. They have been an absolute disgrace through all of this along with their cronies aka fans.

paw patrol · 19-10-2020 09:10AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just sit at home and watch netflix will probably get an airing alot

I don't know if it's my choices but I find netflix offerings kinda poor of late.
Would have enjoyed it 6 months ago.

Plumbthedepths · 19-10-2020 09:10AM

rob316 wrote: »

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

Closing non essential retail is f**king bananas. Idiocy however is something I have come to expect from those in charge in this country.

Cilldara_2000 · 19-10-2020 09:10AM

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

Who knows?

It'll be a ridiculous mish-mash of levels, poorly communicated and not even the government will be 100% clear on what people are supposed to do.

IMO they should actually enforce some of the level 3 restrictions, EG Gardaí should have power to turn people around at checkpoints, on the spot fines for not wearing a mask, mandatory quarantine if you've had a test, and so on. Perhaps tackle the likes of this clown in the news this morning who infected 50 odd people.

And at the same time do the major public education campaign suggested by poster, the corpo, above.

paw patrol · 19-10-2020 09:14AM

manniot2 wrote: »

A complete master stroke by the establishment. How people lap it up is beyond me, I guess its just fear.

It is fear but the people who live in fear aren't blameless either.
they are idiots. Given the governments and previous government history of mismanagement ,scandal and fcuk ups to blindly follow them and RTE is mind boggling.

With all the information to hand these days to display such lack of interest in getting a balanced view is morally criminal.

Cilldara_2000 · 19-10-2020 09:14AM

shocksy wrote: »

It's not nonsense. The GAA has been the cause if huge spread of the virus. That should have been all cancelled until next year. They have alot to answer for running their meaningless and pointless stupid local games that the majority if the country don't give a f**k about. They have been an absolute disgrace through all of this along with their cronies aka fans.

It's a pointless argument anyway. We all saw that the post match carry on was a big issue - the GAA took action and stopped all the club matches.

And before you blather on about the inter county matches - these are entirely different affairs altogether with a much lower risk profile.

Piehead · 19-10-2020 09:14AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

Where is that cherubic cheeked angel d’Gascun these days?

MarkY91 · 19-10-2020 09:16AM

rob316 wrote: »

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

Between no enforcement of mask wearing and staff often not even wearing a mask properly or not even at all...how do you come up with the opinion that retail has been compliant? Have you even been to a shop? Doesn't sound like it.

Plumbthedepths · 19-10-2020 09:18AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Between no enforcement of mask wearing and staff often not even wearing a mask properly or not even at all...how do you come up with the opinion that retail has been compliant? Have you even been to a shop? Doesn't sound like it.

Have you been to every shop in the country, you must have if you wish to make an equally blanket claim they're not.

Away With The Fairies · 19-10-2020 09:18AM

So we have five or six weeks of restrictions and schools remain open? Can anyone explain that one for me?

Funsterdelux · 19-10-2020 09:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

TBF Retail need to tidy up a bit from what I have seen, I'm been in some fairly uncomfortable packed stores in the past few weeks. But I agree closing most retail is daft.

RE schools, how they can remain at full capacity when it's established fact now contact tracing has collapsed is a complete mystery. That would be at best wreckless.

Some media suggesting a decision on them has still to be reached by cabinet.

I imagine the unions will get a lot more vocal this week as they have been asking some very pertinent questions the past few months but have been pretty much ignored.

What is very much certain, we will have Martin on at 9 o'clock tonight fumbling and fúcking from the podium about "clarity".

WoollyRedHat · 19-10-2020 09:19AM

RGARDINR wrote: »

So if it goes to level 4 do people believe it will be from midnight or give a day or 2 notice?

From Wednesday on I reckon.

PokeHerKing · 19-10-2020 09:21AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So we have five or six weeks of restrictions and schools remain open? Can anyone explain that one for me?

Its from the same big brains that brought us lockdown version 1.0 where I couldn't play golf but every Yankee doodle or Brit could enter the country and go county hopping on the their jollies.

Its science maaaan.

Jack1985 · 19-10-2020 09:21AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The signed off bit is correct! That has also been his position on accuracy. You need to take it up with him.

Thankfully there's a wide variety of opinions at an international level and not just one to be swallowed here at home.

JP Liz V1 · 19-10-2020 09:22AM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1318092193173786625

Busi_Girl08 · 19-10-2020 09:22AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So we have five or six weeks of restrictions and schools remain open? Can anyone explain that one for me?

You can watch MM attempt to later today. I suggest a pillow to scream into afterwards.

Gruffalux · 19-10-2020 09:22AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't know if it's my choices but I find netflix offerings kinda poor of late.
Would have enjoyed it 6 months ago.

Watch To The Lake. Russian thing about a pandemic. Kirill the Sniffer is in it, which I confess is why I watched it. It will make you think things ain't so bad

Boggles · 19-10-2020 09:24AM

298 confirmed cases in hospital, 23 in, 8 out.

shocksy · 19-10-2020 09:24AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Between no enforcement of mask wearing and staff often not even wearing a mask properly or not even at all...how do you come up with the opinion that retail has been compliant? Have you even been to a shop? Doesn't sound like it.

Spot on. Retail have not done what was asked of them. Most staff in supermarkets aren't even wearing masks or as you say they're wearing them below the nose etc. No longer much control on how many people enters the store apart from the likes of Lidl and Aldi that have a system that automatically locks the doors when it reaches capacity.

They also don't check the hand sanitisers regularly either, because on multiple occasions they have always been empty, they also don't have any staff member beside them making sure all customers use them anymore. They have become way to relaxed and not just the supermarkets, but the smaller stores too, Dealz and stores similar to them along with clothes retail stores too.

So in fact the retail sector has failed spectacularly in the past couple of months and they should be closed in the wake of new restrictions.

WoollyRedHat · 19-10-2020 09:25AM

46 Long wrote: »

How to lose public support in five easy steps:

- Ignore the WHO and close down most of the country, shuttering businesses and putting people out of work. It didn't work the last time but sure look, we might as well give it another go. It's always good to redouble efforts long after the original aim is forgotten.

- Expect the newly unemployed to pay the mortgage/rent, put food on the table and cover all other expenses on €300 a week.

- Introduce nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions designed to suck what little joy still exists out of our lives. Tell people they can't visit their family at home but outdoor pints with the lads are fine lol

- Make sure you change the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions every other week just to keep people on their toes. Introduce an ostensibly clear five level plan but then start randomly mixing and matching bits from different levels. After a while you might want to start relaxing things a little and allow outdoor meetings of up to four people from two different households on the 3rd Tuesday of every month for 30 minutes at a time in the presence of a benevolent junta NPHET representative.

- Start fining any noncompliance with the the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions. Encourage children to report their parents for not wearing masks and recruit the local curtain-twitchers to do neighborhood patrols with two metre long measuring sticks to make sure everyone is correctly socially-distanced. Better yet, start rounding them up and slapping offenders with 6 month sentences in already grotesquely over-crowded prisons. That'll really help slow the spread of a highly infectious disease.

The WHO have said Lockdown as sole strategy to suppress virus will not work. But have acknowledged when virus is out of control in terms of transmission, that it makes sense to use it get numbers down, but only if a wider strategy is developed once numbers stabilize I.E. improve ITTIC

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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