Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

funnydoggy · 19-10-2020 08:09AM

wadacrack wrote: »

I dont see the Ro dropping below 1.0 with schools open and some colleges. Theirs students living in accommodation and travelling home at weekends too. Level 4 for probably 4 weeks and Im not sure it will have the impact people are expecting

Yup, have to agree with you there.

Goldrickssan · 19-10-2020 08:09AM

You can't stay young forever

46 Long · 19-10-2020 08:10AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Massively support moving to L5 restrictions myself but only if enforcement is made a priority otherwise utterly pointless.

How to lose public support in five easy steps:

- Ignore the WHO and close down most of the country, shuttering businesses and putting people out of work. It didn't work the last time but sure look, we might as well give it another go. It's always good to redouble efforts long after the original aim is forgotten.

- Expect the newly unemployed to pay the mortgage/rent, put food on the table and cover all other expenses on €300 a week.

- Introduce nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions designed to suck what little joy still exists out of our lives. Tell people they can't visit their family at home but outdoor pints with the lads are fine lol

- Make sure you change the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions every other week just to keep people on their toes. Introduce an ostensibly clear five level plan but then start randomly mixing and matching bits from different levels. After a while you might want to start relaxing things a little and allow outdoor meetings of up to four people from two different households on the 3rd Tuesday of every month for 30 minutes at a time in the presence of a benevolent junta NPHET representative.

- Start fining any noncompliance with the the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions. Encourage children to report their parents for not wearing masks and recruit the local curtain-twitchers to do neighborhood patrols with two metre long measuring sticks to make sure everyone is correctly socially-distanced. Better yet, start rounding them up and slapping offenders with 6 month sentences in already grotesquely over-crowded prisons. That'll really help slow the spread of a highly infectious disease.

iamwhoiam · 19-10-2020 08:13AM

They will have to address childcare .Every second child in our local school is picked up by a minder .

tom1ie · 19-10-2020 08:14AM

46 Long wrote: »

How to lose public support in five easy steps:

- Ignore the WHO and close down most of the country, shuttering businesses and putting people out of work. It didn't work the last time but sure look, we might as well give it another go. It's always good to redouble efforts long after the original aim is forgotten.

- Expect the newly unemployed to pay the mortgage/rent, put food on the table and cover all other expenses on €300 a week.

- Introduce nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions designed to suck what little joy still exists out of our lives. Tell people they can't visit their family at home but outdoor pints with the lads are fine lol

- Make sure you change the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions every other week just to keep people on their toes. Introduce an ostensibly clear five level plan but then start randomly mixing and matching bits from different levels. After a while you might want to start relaxing things a little and allow outdoor meetings of up to four people from two different households on the 3rd Tuesday of every month for 30 minutes at a time in the presence of a benevolent junta NPHET representative.

- Start fining any noncompliance with the the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions. Encourage children to report their parents for not wearing masks and recruit the local curtain-twitchers to do neighborhood patrols with two metre long measuring sticks to make sure everyone is correctly socially-distanced. Better yet, start rounding them up and slapping offenders with 6 month sentences in already grotesquely over-crowded prisons. That'll really help slow the spread of a highly infectious disease.

Chill man. Just chill.

tom1ie · 19-10-2020 08:15AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They will have to address childcare .Every second child in our local school is picked up by a minder .

How?

iamwhoiam · 19-10-2020 08:18AM

tom1ie wrote: »

How?

Not up to me to figure it out

harr · 19-10-2020 08:19AM

All the talk about level 4 , 4 plus or level 5 is pointless unless they also change how it’s policed .. no point asking people nicely to adhere to new guidelines.
Why not a stick to level 3 and give the guards proper powers to police and enforce.
Why do they think the people ignoring level 3 will be a any different on level 5

rob316 · 19-10-2020 08:19AM

It won't work it's absolutely pointless, I hope the cabinet see sense and don't agree to this today. Work with level 3 and bring in zero tolerance enforcement.

is_that_so · 19-10-2020 08:20AM

tom1ie wrote: »

Chill man. Just chill.

You'll be saying that a lot over the next 4-6-8 weeks!

stephenjmcd · 19-10-2020 08:23AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You'll be saying that a lot over the next 4-6-8 weeks!

Just sit at home and watch netflix will probably get an airing alot

suicide_circus · 19-10-2020 08:25AM

harr wrote: »

All the talk about level 4 , 4 plus or level 5 is pointless unless they also change how it’s policed .. no point asking people nicely to adhere to new guidelines.
Why not a stick to level 3 and give the guards proper powers to police and enforce.
Why do they think the people ignoring level 3 will be a any different on level 5

Which guards are these? The ones that rarely enforce traffic laws? The ones that show up 3 hours later when you call them? Policing in Ireland is reactionary - you wait for a crime to happen and then react to it - very slowly. Cops on the beat, proactively looking for trouble and creating an environment in which crime is less likely to take place hasn't existed here for decades. And that's the kind of policing model required to make people think "i'd better obey these restrictions because there could be a garda around the corner"

Necro · 19-10-2020 08:27AM

Man I'm so glad I took a day or two off this thread, the level of panic is astounding.

I think the overlying point is most agree enforcement is more required than further restrictions.

Back to WFH myself today, though some doolally decided to turn off my work PC so waiting on someone to turn it back on so I can actually do some sort of work.

The joys.

manniot2 · 19-10-2020 08:28AM

rob316 wrote: »

It won't work it's absolutely pointless, I hope the cabinet see sense and don't agree to this today. Work with level 3 and bring in zero tolerance enforcement.

Judging by all the leaks, that ship has sailed.

GooglePlus · 19-10-2020 08:30AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Judging by all the leaks, that ship has sailed.

Yeah the decision has been made so best putting the head down and sticking it out for now.

Busi_Girl08 · 19-10-2020 08:31AM

46 Long wrote: »

"The next two weeks are crucial"

"The last two weeks *were* crucial" but we fcuked them up"

manniot2 · 19-10-2020 08:34AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just sit at home and watch netflix will probably get an airing alot

"all we are asking is that you sit at home and watch tv"....no youre asking me to give up my chance of surviving cancer, my livelihood, my future and any prosperity.

Eod100 · 19-10-2020 08:35AM

Remember Varadkar used Belgium as a country that we should follow example of at start of this month. Situation there very bad lately.

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1318087603158212608

StevenToast · 19-10-2020 08:38AM

The next 2 weeks are crucial

manniot2 · 19-10-2020 08:39AM

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

is_that_so · 19-10-2020 08:42AM

manniot2 wrote: »

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-10-2020 08:46AM

manniot2 wrote: »

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

Not when you have situations like the following.
This is from a piece on RTE this morning about how one case infected 56.

56 cases linked to man who returned from abroad

RTE wrote:

The index case had mild symptoms, but no temperature and went out to socialise with friends. He later tested positive and three of his friends also subsequently tested positive.

Another contact went to a party with friends a couple of hours after having a test

So if you have people going around the place like normal after a test and while awaiting results then you will never beat the virus.

Jack1985 · 19-10-2020 08:48AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

That's not entirely correct. It's more when they become widely available, LAMP testing is much cheaper (circa $5) and as accurate as PCR. Other Antigen testings have a bit more to go in terms of accuracy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377665/
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3789/rr
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/15-minute-coronavirus-test-gets-the-green-light-for-a-european-rollout.html

manniot2 · 19-10-2020 08:48AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

not perfect I know, but would surely trace a large portion of cases that would isolate and help the situation. Surely beats closing shops for no reason.

is_that_so · 19-10-2020 08:50AM

Jack1985 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct. It's more when they become widely available, LAMP testing is much cheaper (circa $5) and as accurate as PCR. Other Antigen testings have a bit more to go in terms of accuracy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377665/
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3789/rr
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/15-minute-coronavirus-test-gets-the-green-light-for-a-european-rollout.html

The signed off bit is correct! That has also been his position on accuracy. You need to take it up with him.

Morries Wigs · 19-10-2020 08:51AM

My take- the next 2 weeks are crucial

Goldrickssan · 19-10-2020 08:52AM

The next 3 minutes are crucial

I dont want to block the jacks again with my morning ****e

Morries Wigs · 19-10-2020 08:53AM

wadacrack wrote: »

I dont see the Ro dropping below 1.0 with schools open and some colleges. Theirs students living in accommodation and travelling home at weekends too. Level 4 for probably 4 weeks and Im not sure it will have the impact people are expecting

Probably have no impact students spreading it all over the place aswell as schools those issues are being ignored

rob316 · 19-10-2020 08:53AM

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

manniot2 · 19-10-2020 08:56AM

rob316 wrote: »

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

A complete master stroke by the establishment. How people lap it up is beyond me, I guess its just fear.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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