Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

AUDI20 wrote: »

This is so true, you would think we had no mental health problems before Covid arrived!

It is indeed not true. Of course there was mental ill health before covid.

Social interactions are really important to maintaining mental health. We're a social species. One of the implications of people being unable to mix with others is a negative impact on mental health. It won't apply to most people, but you can be sure that a population level there will be an increase in the number of people who experience poor mental health.

You can make little of that if you want but it's pretty bad form.

Dickie10 wrote: »

i wonder when will nightclubs open again? or music festivals ? is this year 2021 another write off for them

Without an effective vaccine, nothing will change.

Dickie10 wrote: »

i wonder when will nightclubs open again? or music festivals ? is this year 2021 another write off for them

All the talk seems to suggest that a vaccine will be available in early 2021. Once that's been distributed, we press the reset button, get back to normal and this thread ceases to exist.

Dickie10 wrote: »

why do you think the uk will have them back?

I was just joking , but it was mainly to do with the UK opening bars with a higher case number per day to us , then we delayed so long we had to close them immediately, they were also looking into the possibility of letting 10,000 into games while we were looking at letting in 200.

dominatinMC wrote: »

All the talk seems to suggest that a vaccine will be available in early 2021. Once that's been distributed, we press the reset button, get back to normal and this thread ceases to exist.

Do you believe this ? i was just wondering that, when a vaccine is released for uptake say february 1st for example, what happens then? is it straight off restriction gone or do we have level 3 /2/3/2 for all next spring and summer until maybe this time next year. have NYPHET and the government now seen how easy is to control people and like the idea that they wont give up on restrictions of every sort like each winter maybe in november to stop winter flu, like shutting pubs for a month or 6 weeks anytime they want, or something like that. theres just something nagging away at me thinking we have now Pandoras box opened , like theres been a big anti alchol push for years i think they will grab there chance and try to ban nightclubs by stealth outright, something like that

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants have been closed in Dublin for 4 weeks now. They are not the problem.

It is obvious that infections are increasing due to the schools. ( and curtain twitchers who reckon shopping is not an issue )

Pubs an restaurants are not closed in Dublin.
I am assuming you are a 'curtain twitcher' that does see shopping as an issue. And schools. So do you think everything should be shut down?

Irish Steve wrote: »

Really? The pubs in Ashbourne were rammed when the Dublin pubs closed, and guess what, Meath is now one of the highest cases per 100,000 as a result of the lack of separation, and other issues that resulted from the crush. Staff in 4 pubs all caught it, and spread it to the locals, assisted by the crass stupidity of Ratoath area when their team won the county final, they all chugged the cup, and all took more than happy memories home to their families.

They are well within their rights to refuse anyone they want...... I don't believe it was the big bad dubs but the pubs weren't forced to take their money.

Can't wrap your hand in bacon and stick it in the lions mouth and then moan when you're bitten.....

How come wicklow aren't spiralling??

Irish Steve wrote: »

Probably because Wickow didn't have the added "benefit" of the GAA celebrations. One of the pubs had to close due to no staff to run it.

So all the dubs going to ashbourne to celebrate a ballinabrackey win caused an outbreak in rathoath...... Seems logical.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I can understand why Covid can be tough on someone's mental health. There are people with genuine mental health issues being affected by restrictions.

But there were lads on this thread throwing "Mental Health" around about having to pay €9 for a meal with their pints!

Hijacking the plight of others because they have no hobbies other than going for pints on a Tuesday night is pretty horrible.

That sounds about right that you would conflate someone's argument to the above.

But there are people hijacking this serious situation alright for selfish reasons and they are absolute cretins. The type I'd say if you met in real life they wouldn't say a word.

AUDI20 wrote: »

You took my post up the wrong way, I was pointing out that some posters where harping on mental health issue's as a major problem due to restrictions. my point was that it was a major problem before Covid arrived, granted these restrictions have not made the situation any better. As some one who was very involved in the suicide awareness campaign and lost 4 relatives to suicide it annoys me to see this issue brought up so much on the Covid forums.

Ah OK. But why would it annoy you if it's being brought up?

I suspect a lot the people who bring it up, wouldn't give a shiny shyte about mental health if if it wasn't part of an argument against closing the pubs and locking down.

They were showing great concern for "the little old fella with white hair and a flat cap, who sits at the end of the bar and sups a few pints". I strongly suspect those people didn't give a shyte about that imaginary bloke either. They pretended to be greatly worried about his mental health and loneliness (so we should reopen the pubs), but I doubt one of them thought to pick up the phone for a chat and to ask how he is.

AUDI20 wrote: »

You took my post up the wrong way, I was pointing out that some posters where harping on mental health issue's as a major problem due to restrictions. my point was that it was a major problem before Covid arrived, granted these restrictions have not made the situation any better. As some one who was very involved in the suicide awareness campaign and lost 4 relatives to suicide it annoys me to see this issue brought up so much on the Covid forums.

As somebody involved in suicide awareness campaign you should recognise that the covid restrictions are damaging people mental health and world view. Some people are angry (like me) and some people are fearful and otherd retreat into their shells. Everything they did as a social outlet is now gone and due to horrendous mismanagement and communication by the state (and media) some people see no future beyond the current bubble of negativity. I've had to have conversation with my kids over it - who previously had no issues. A lot of people use the gym (as an example) for mental health and having regained that are looking to lose it again - and no, exercising in the park doesn't have the same effect. I wasn't the same without the gym back in march/april and I suspect I'll feel poorly again now.



Covid has ramped it up massively for people who previously had no mental health concerns. You'd need to be living on a desert island not to see that.



I don't want to be mean but I find it really difficult to comprehend how somebody in your position who is very involved in mental health can comment as you did.
It's hard enough for people having to deal with comments like this sneering moronic post:

MrStuffins wrote: »

Hijacking the plight of others because they have no hobbies other than going for pints on a Tuesday night is pretty horrible.

MrStuffins just cos it's not your type of fun doesn't mean it's not important to somebody else. Maybe try view the world from a different angle to the one out your own hole.

paw patrol wrote: »

MrStuffins just cos it's not your type of fun doesn't mean it's not important to somebody else. Maybe try view the world from a different angle to the one out your own hole.

I love the pub. The pub is class!

But if people decided to revolve their social lives around the pub and nothing else, no other hobbies or interests, then they've done-goofed! We can't put the vulnerable at risk just because they couldn't pick up hurling or the banjo!

Instead of moaning about it, take this opportunity to pivot. Learn a language, learn an instrument, read books, learn to cook, learn to bake, pick up yoga.

In non-Covid times I have two main hobbies that get me out of the house almost every night of the week and weekend afternoons as well. They've both been stopped due to Covid. I get it!

But they've been stopped for good reason. To protect the vulnerable and slow the spread of this virus until we get a vaccine. No amount of sitting around and moaning about it is going to change that. Instead i've pivoted and am making the most of the situation. Learning new skills and picking up new hobbies that I didn't partake in before.

The White Wolf wrote: »

But there are people hijacking this serious situation alright for selfish reasons and they are absolute cretins. The type I'd say if you met in real life they wouldn't say a word.

I hear ya brother. Lads hijacking this serious situation to push their conspiracy theories, joining dots when they're not there. A lot of which have serious racist, anti-semetic, homophobic undertones.

Hijacking this serious situation to push their political ideologies and take advantage of the weak-minded. The amount of politicking surrounding the Covid situation has been horrible.

And these would be the cowards who wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life if confronted. Pretty sad!

paw patrol wrote: »

As somebody involved in suicide awareness campaign you should recognise that the covid restrictions are damaging people mental health and world view. Some people are angry (like me) and some people are fearful and otherd retreat into their shells. Everything they did as a social outlet is now gone and due to horrendous mismanagement and communication by the state (and media) some people see no future beyond the current bubble of negativity. I've had to have conversation with my kids over it - who previously had no issues. A lot of people use the gym (as an example) for mental health and having regained that are looking to lose it again - and no, exercising in the park doesn't have the same effect. I wasn't the same without the gym back in march/april and I suspect I'll feel poorly again now.
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Where did you get the bit in bold? Exercise has the exact same effect whether it's done in the park or the gym or at home or at the top of a mountain. There are more youtube exercise videos than you could ever possibly even hope to complete. Some people might like heavy weight training and will either have to buy heavy weights or just change their training regime. I've bought a set of free weights for 80 quid and they've been great when combined with the youtube classes. Between cardio classes, strength training, top half, bottom half, core workouts, beginners, intermediate, advanced versions of exercises, I'm kept going.

I can't help thinking that IF you want to train to maintain your mental health then you can do it, no bother. If you want to limit the benefits of exercise to one location in the world (your local gym), then you're bunched. But it's very much a choice for you to make.