COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Atlantic Dawn · 18-10-2020 03:03AM

If the vaccine has to be taken every year it's going to be a complete pain in the hole.

Wolf359f · 18-10-2020 03:13AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If the vaccine has to be taken every year it's going to be a complete pain in the hole.

Like the flu Vaccine? How is that a pain in the hole?
I know it takes 10 mins out of your year to get. I'm sure being ventilated is quicker. And yes you maybe young etc... but you wont always be.

Atlantic Dawn · 18-10-2020 03:14AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Like the flu Vaccine? How is that a pain in the hole?
I know it takes 10 mins out of your year to get. I'm sure being ventilated is quicker. And yes you maybe young etc... but you wont always be.

4.5 million people every year needing to be booked in, we can't even handle a fraction of that getting the flu vaccine.

Wolf359f · 18-10-2020 03:22AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

4.5 million people every year needing to be booked in, we can't even handle a fraction of that getting the flu vaccine.

A fraction..... we're looking at about 2.1 mil flu vaccine doses being dispensed in the next month or so. That's nearly half the population vaccinated in a few months.
There's no proof Covid is seasonal, so instead of a tight few months, we have 12, it's easily enough to have all vaccinated.
Think of how many blood tests the doctors surgery and hospitals do each day (excluding the lab work behind that)
We can easily roll it out on a large scale, the issue is the supply.

Atlantic Dawn · 18-10-2020 03:24AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

A fraction..... we're looking at about 2.1 mil flu vaccine doses being dispensed in the next month or so. That's nearly half the population vaccinated in a few months.
There's no proof Covid is seasonal, so instead of a tight few months, we have 12, it's easily enough to have all vaccinated.
Think of how many blood tests the doctors surgery and hospitals do each day (excluding the lab work behind that)
We can easily roll it out on a large scale, the issue is the supply.

Are you sure the figures are that high, I couldn't even name 5 people I know would have it each year.

Wolf359f · 18-10-2020 03:38AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Are you sure the figures are that high, I couldn't even name 5 people I know would have it each year.

This year is not a normal year, you have to agree with me there.
Needless to say, we already have the infrastructure to dispense a covid vaccine quickly to the public. The only constraint will be supply.

18-10-2020 06:23AM

Hmmzis wrote: »

For me it's even more basic than that. Being able to actually plan something for the future. Being able to hug my grandparents and parents would be a great thing. Having kids be be kids again. Having some stability in the economy would be nice as well.

If any of the vaccines or treatments can get this thing down to HKU-1 or OC43 levels, it would be a resounding victory in my book.

I'd be similar. My parents are elderly and my dad has a heart condition. My mother in law is severely immunocompromised due to chronic illness. Knowing their protected would be enough for me. Being able to go to the odd match again would certainly be a nice bonus but I'm not greedy.

JTMan · 18-10-2020 08:16AM

The Sunday times reports here (paywall) on when the rollout of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine will start in the UK.

- AstraZeneca results expected between the end of this month and the end of next.
- One expert says vaccination will start in December, one said "shortly after Christmas" and the other said January.
- Vaccination first phase is elderly and vulnerable.

Santy2015 · 18-10-2020 08:44AM

If people have a times account
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hope-for-covid-vaccine-at-new-year-25b52b86s

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 08:49AM

The shortage of flu vaccines makes me trust the HSE to make a mess of the Covid 19 vaccine

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 10:18AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I thought the flu vaccine depends on the particular flu strain that is going around? It gives immunity to the particular flu strain, but if it's a different flu strain that goes around, that's where the vaccine doesn't work?

Nope doesn't given immunity, just reduces the chances of getting a bad dose. Effectiveness varies year to year

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 10:21AM

Gael23 wrote: »

The shortage of flu vaccines makes me trust the HSE to make a mess of the Covid 19 vaccine

It's not actually their fault.

Marhay70 · 18-10-2020 10:29AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope doesn't given immunity, just reduces the chances of getting a bad dose. Effectiveness varies year to year

Which is basically what you get with the flu vaccine. I really don't know what people are expecting here, an "off" switch? That's not going to happen.
We have multiples of information about Covid today than we had in March but we are still in the dark to a large extent. and anything that removes the threat of serious illness is buying us breathing space while the research continues.

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 10:52AM

So the vaccine will stop severe illness which is all good but we will still have people in our communities carrying a highly contagious virus.

How can you qbandon social distancing if that’s the case.

Also some positive news in a vaccine although focused in the U.K. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

ACitizenErased · 18-10-2020 11:14AM

Gael23 wrote: »

So the vaccine will stop severe illness which is all good but we will still have people in our communities carrying a highly contagious virus.

How can you qbandon social distancing if that’s the case.

Also some positive news in a vaccine although focused in the U.K. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

Because if it stops serious illness then whats the worry?

Marhay70 · 18-10-2020 11:16AM

Gael23 wrote: »

So the vaccine will stop severe illness which is all good but we will still have people in our communities carrying a highly contagious virus.

How can you qbandon social distancing if that’s the case.

Also some positive news in a vaccine although focused in the U.K. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

There are other contagious viruses circulating in our communities, flu, cold, HPV for example. These are all potentially lethal but we have learned to treat and control them in a large proportion of the population. As the vaccination programme takes hold, freedom to mix will improve. Like I said there can be no "off" switch, a little patience is required.

boggerman1 · 18-10-2020 11:19AM

Gael23 wrote: »

So the vaccine will stop severe illness which is all good but we will still have people in our communities carrying a highly contagious virus.

How can you qbandon social distancing if that’s the case.

Also some positive news in a vaccine although focused in the U.K. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

Do some people really think we are going to put up with anti social distancing forever.jesus some people need to snap out of the hysteria around the thing

Micky 32 · 18-10-2020 11:56AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope doesn't given immunity, just reduces the chances of getting a bad dose. Effectiveness varies year to year

Yep. The vaccine doesn’t need to eradicate Covid 19 or is it a silver bullet . All this vaccine needs to do is reduce the severity of the virus. It should bring it down to levels that will be no peskier than the normal flu. Life then should get back to some normality.

irishgeo · 18-10-2020 12:13PM

Exactly. Reduce the severity so we aren't worried about over loading our intensive cares and hospitals. That's the reason for social distancing.

Let's hope we continue our handwashing and people going to work sick. Employers need to step up to the plate and allow parents to work from home if the kids are off sick from school and not forcing sick employees into work.

speckle · 18-10-2020 12:33PM

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Gael23 · 18-10-2020 12:39PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Let's hope we continue our handwashing and people going to work sick. Employers need to step up to the plate and allow parents to work from home if the kids are off sick from school and not forcing sick employees into work.

Legislation is needed here. There is no obligation on employers t9 pay you when your off sick, many do but they don’t have to.

hmmm · 18-10-2020 12:46PM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

Sir Jeremy Farrar, who sits on the SAGE committee, said: "I think in the first quarter of next year we will have vaccines - will have more than one vaccine."

Sir Jeremy was also optimistic about better treatments being ready before a vaccine, saying: "I do believe that monoclonal antibodies to treat patients and save lives will be available in the coming months."

Farrar is a heavyweight expert, and if he is saying this it is reliable. He's normally pretty conservative.

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 12:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Legislation is needed here. There is no obligation on employers t9 pay you when your off sick, many do but they don’t have to.

You can get enhanced sick pay via social welfare, €350 a week when signed off related to covid.

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 12:57PM

Is there any update on the pause in the J&J trials?

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 01:02PM

Gael23 wrote: »

So the vaccine will stop severe illness which is all good but we will still have people in our communities carrying a highly contagious virus.

How can you qbandon social distancing if that’s the case.

Also some positive news in a vaccine although focused in the U.K. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-than-one-vaccine-will-be-available-early-in-2021-sage-scientist-says-12107285

Where did it say the vaccine will stop severe illness?

I may be blind and missed it in the link

hmmm · 18-10-2020 01:40PM

Interesting quote in an article from the UK Times:

"An MP who attended another briefing with Van-Tam said he was “very bullish about the third stage AstraZeneca results, which he expects between the end of this month and the end of next”. The MP said: “Van-Tam expects it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. He gave us to understand that it stopped the virus ‘shedding’ in the young. He said he would expect vaccination to start in January.”

Hmmzis · 18-10-2020 01:48PM

hmmm wrote: »

Interesting quote in an article from the UK Times:

"An MP who attended another briefing with Van-Tam said he was “very bullish about the third stage AstraZeneca results, which he expects between the end of this month and the end of next”. The MP said: “Van-Tam expects it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. He gave us to understand that it stopped the virus ‘shedding’ in the young. He said he would expect vaccination to start in January.”

Whoa!!! The only way one can make such a claim is by having had a peek behind the blinders.

If that is indeed the case and not just someone spouting random opinions, then it's good news. The question here is, if that's for the 1 or 2 dose regimens. If it's the one dose, then basically all other candidates are way overkill, if the two dose then all others (except Innovio maybe) should be grand as well. In any case, Novavax would be in the 'nuke it, nuke it from orbit' category.

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 02:46PM

Hmmzis wrote: »

Whoa!!! The only way one can make such a claim is by having had a peek behind the blinders.

If that is indeed the case and not just someone spouting random opinions, then it's good news. The question here is, if that's for the 1 or 2 dose regimens. If it's the one dose, then basically all other candidates are way overkill, if the two dose then all others (except Innovio maybe) should be grand as well. In any case, Novavax would be in the 'nuke it, nuke it from orbit' category.

Absolutely massive claim to make, you would have to assume he's seen some preliminary data.

NHS gearing up for vaccine rollout & more being trained in how to administer.

Sir Jeremy Farrar is also usually quite conservative and he's talking up early Q1 rollout

lbj666 · 18-10-2020 06:10PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If the vaccine has to be taken every year it's going to be a complete pain in the hole.

I know, Id much prefer to stay stuck in my home for 4.5 months a year.

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 06:27PM

The traditional flu vaccine has to be taken every year so I don’t see the issue.

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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