Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

political analyst wrote: »

Lockdown didn't eliminate Covid on this island. So why would NPHET think a 6-week lockdown would eliminate it now?

They never said it would eliminate it!

political analyst wrote: »

Then what's the point of having a 6-week lockdown now?

Ah come on, why do you think?
A) To increase cases?
To reduce cases?
There, I made it multiple choice for you.

political analyst wrote: »

Coronavirus has an incubation period of 2 weeks at most. Furthermore, Ireland is much less densely populated than the Australian state of Victoria.

The Republic's population is less than 5 million. So having 260 Covid patients - 30 of them in ICU - isn't a high number.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1017/1172124-government-meeting-level-5/

Not mega high, but if we don’t sometimes dampen the flames and give breathing room ... mega high is only around the corner.

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

its the winter coldness that forces people inside to gather indoors that spreads the virus, 6 weeks?, more like 6 months lockdown until March

I'm sure it's possible to have social distancing in a household (e.g. one person in the kitchen at any particular time) and both good heating and good air-conditioning at the same time.

Paul_Reg wrote: »

I think I have an idea what you're getting at here. So how about the views of Prof Mary Horgan who is the ID consultant down in CUH/UCC? I can't post links here as a new user but it'sinteresting that ID consultants who are on the ground fighting this are dismissed and a guy who has never intubated anything except his own ego is held up as an expert to end all experts.

Anyone I know who worked under Prof Lambert spoke extremely highly of him. I can't comment on their views of his CoVId views because I don't know.

I think what Nolan did was pathetic and he should apologise for it. If Lambert doesn't go to work on Monday it'll have a hell of a more immediate impact on the CoVid response than if your man deletes his spreadsheets. As someone else on the thread said - isn't it great he has so little to be at.


And if we're going to discuss appeal to authority because your man is President of Maynooth then I reckon Horgan and Lambert hold their own there too.

I think we're going to lockdown and we probably have no choice - doesn't stop Nolan being a c*nt though.

I have no comment about Nolan and what he said about Lambert and all that blah thanks .
I do know that doctors and nurses " on the ground fighting " as you put it in intensive care don't agree with his assessment that we don't need to shut this down fast as things are rapidly escalating . .
If anyone here thinks NPHET came up with a strategy based on a few numbers on a spreadsheet they are not only stupid but extremely naive .. there are more than one epidemiologist / infectious disease consultants in the country , some of whom do not court the spotlight or media like Sam McConkey or Jack Lambert , but who are advising NPHET and assisting in the modelling .
I believe we do not need these wannabe celebrity medics trying to make a name for themselves at the expense of trust in public health and NPHET when it is obviously so fxxxing crucial that trust and compliance is what is needed.
I have read and listened to Jack Lambert and cringed because not that I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying AT ANY OTHER TIME , but that is the problem .
Why did he not come out 3 months ago and make his stand .
Too bloody late for this sort of grandstanding now !

Paul_Reg wrote: »

This is the relevant passage where she points out other considerations beyond CoVid

Maybe she should start to consider the mental health and well being of some of her colleagues working in hospitals who have been working 7 days a week for the last while trying to sort the mess in the health services that have been caused by inaction by the HSE .

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are mentioning Australia., but I'll bite.
Per capita, they have 30% more beds than us, and 40% more ICU beds.
Out average capacity is 95%, pretty much the highest in the world (based on the figures I could find)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
Now, they have less covid patients and less cases than us, so why are you comparing Ireland to Australia?

We would though have had career hospital visitors each year clogging up the system who have now fooked off as they fear getting the virus, something of a plus the virus has brought.

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are mentioning Australia., but I'll bite.
Per capita, they have 30% more beds than us, and 40% more ICU beds.
Out average capacity is 95%, pretty much the highest in the world (based on the figures I could find)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
Now, they have less covid patients and less cases than us, so why are you comparing Ireland to Australia?

J1ust to add, America has been the poster boy for bad handling, we had 1276 new cases today, per population, that's the same as america having 88,000.
We're on par with the UK with new cases and hospitalizations.

Think he was going on about the 6 weeks .
Six weeks is to allow those infected already and those they have infected to go through their respective incubation periods and infections before coming out of lockdown .
That is what Australia said they were doing but it didn't work out like that because of the issues at the detention centre .
There are however have no aspirations to get to zero Covid here so 6 weeks to suppress the spread is what they want .

Goldengirl wrote: »

Also that is 30 beds minus 5 reserved for I presume surgery ..that is a marked reduction in major surgery unless it is just a weekend figure . Normally it is at least 3 times that .
And to add I see spookwoman highlighted all the ICUs that had no beds , and that the 4 private hospitals with ICUs are on standby .
Good to know , but serious as well .

Just checking the previous reports, the reserved ICU beds range from 1 to 22.
How the **** can they plan with a variance of 21 and 30 beds available.
Christ that's tight and only going to get tighter.
But that's ok, people don't give a **** anymore.

46 Long wrote: »

That's beautifully put, Paddy. Winter is indeed coming, and we are facing into long and dark days ahead as we prepare to do battle with a deadly, invisible foe that only 99% of us will survive.

Do you just make up percentages? It's actually only a 97% survival rate.
Or do the elderly and anyone with a preexisting condition not count?
God forbid someone you care about is refused treatment due to elective surgery being cancelled due to 8% needing hospital care for covid.
Then the knock on effect of delays to elective surgery.

46 Long wrote: »

That's beautifully put, Paddy. Winter is indeed coming, and we are facing into long and dark days ahead as we prepare to do battle with a deadly, invisible foe that only 99% of us will survive.

Yes, Paddy's posts are beautiful and delicately nuanced
Some others that are just crass .

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes, ultimately , but first its the HSE , they are responsible for this .

I guess your right, there's a buffer there between the minister of health and the HSE. My guess is so both can blame the other.

Just reading more about the HSE and it's astonishing how removed they are from an kind of control/oversight.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes, ultimately , but first its the HSE , they are responsible for this .

And all those key HSE people are members of NPHET. We have great front line staff but strategically the HSE has been a mess and is not delivering bang for buck - not helped by the two tier health system.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And all those key HSE people are members of NPHET. We have great front line staff but strategically the HSE has been a mess and is not delivering bang for buck - not helped by the two tier health system.

Yet the head of the HSE is not a member of NPHET!
But I totally agree with them not delivering the bang for the buck!