Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Thierry12 · 17-10-2020 04:50PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Nonsense. The vaccines seem promising.

Promising how?

Tell me doctor

Sterilising immunity?

Efficacy?

What's promising?

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 04:50PM

Russman wrote: »

Ya I know that, I mean decide to take further meaningful action. Surely there’ll potentially come a point if the current L3 doesn’t work, where it’s unsustainable to just stay as we are ?

That is were we are yesterday.

Sweet.Science · 17-10-2020 04:51PM

My sister (teacher) is positive at the moment . Along with 2 other teachers in her school

She then passed it onto her parnter

This will be defined as a household cluster . Even though it's clear she got it from her school as it's the only place she's been in weeks and her parnter has been working from home

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 04:51PM

I think "Levels" are a mistake in any event, as every level relies on one size fits all approaches. Hence you close Harvey Norman even though nobody is milling around in confined spaces buying a hoover. And close all pubs/restaurants instead of a targeted max level of people per sq.metre etc - so bigger venues can have more customers with same distancing. Nuts that large venues are stuck with 15 people outside limit when they can accommodate more with same safety.

So a bit of logical targeted approach rather than "let's shut them all the **** down" would be admirable.

wirelessdude01 · 17-10-2020 04:51PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think NPHET and the government need to clarify the situation around the schools, as it's looking increasingly likely that they will be open while lots of people will be put out of work.

Social media has driven a narrative that the schools are hotbeds of covid. From what I have read of the stats they aren't.

So we need Dr Tony to do a press conference and tell us are the schools being open a good or bad thing for the spread of the virus.

If they pretty much close everything else down and leave the schoos open then we'll all have the answer.

My guess is that the school decision is a politically driven one. Schools are part of the community.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 04:51PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Promising how?

Tell me doctor

Sterilising immunity?

Efficacy?

What's promising?

Grow up.

Edit: my apologies. I didn't mean to be dismissive. Let us deal with each of these issues.

VinLieger · 17-10-2020 04:51PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

If only.

Hes far from the god some people like to believe, dont forget he oversaw the cervical check shambles and actively advised against any review of what happened.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 04:52PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

If only.

You have a very short memory.

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 04:52PM

dmakc wrote:

The (highly unlikely) ceiling here is level 5 which doesn't really achieve much over level 3.99 anyway. This is down to public buy-in. Shouldn't matter on waiting what to be told.

We need the schools closed.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 04:52PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Hes far from the god some people like to believe, dont forget he oversaw the cervical check shambles and actively advised against any review of what happened.

He also advised the nursing homes not to restrict visitors. That worked out well.

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 04:53PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The issue is that the latter is enforceable. Stopping house gatherings is wishful thinking, not policy.

Don't disagree. But just because the pubs/restaurants are enforceable doesn't mean they should be shut, just because they can, when they aren't a serious cause of transmission, as shown by their closure for weeks not having contained any of the increase in cases.

Perhaps there would be less of the unenforceable house parties if they let people go to controlled environments.

Sweet.Science · 17-10-2020 04:53PM

Tony is a clown . It's all about ego now . He'd rather see the world burn than not get level 5 .

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 04:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We need the schools closed.

For how long?

Boggles · 17-10-2020 04:54PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

They will be taking further action over the next few days. Differences between level 4 and 5 seem pretty cosmetic to me

They are appear cosmetic.

But contact tracing has collapsed, the trend looks like 10% positivity in a week.

The 5km rule is designed to cut contacts and effectively make tracing far more straight forward.

Also being liberally free to go any in your county to strict exercise 5km from house is quite simply massive on every level.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are discussing cocooning again. That will be met with a massive wrinkled middle finger if it is proposed.

wirelessdude01 · 17-10-2020 04:54PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

My sister (teacher) is positive at the moment . Along with 2 other teachers in her school

She then passed it onto her parnter

This will be defined as a household cluster . Even though it's clear she got it from her school as it's the only place she's been in weeks and her parnter has been working from home

Nah, they all got it in the pub or restaurant. Actually they must have all used the same towel, or licked the same spoon in school or perhaps they all pressed the same doorbell.

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 04:55PM

The thread currently reads like the circular ramblings inside the brain of someone who has gone actually insane during this pandemic.

NIMAN · 17-10-2020 04:56PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

My guess is that the school decision is a politically driven one. Schools are part of the community.

How is it a political decision .

I'd say every single politician thinks it's a good idea to try to keep kids at school, for their development and their mental health.

My own kids go to a rural school of approx 100 students. Been open 6 weeks now and no positive cases.

I don't want to see them shut.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 04:57PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Don't disagree. But just because the pubs/restaurants are enforceable doesn't mean they should be shut, just because they can, when they aren't a serious cause of transmission, as shown by their closure for weeks not having contained any of the increase in cases.

Perhaps there would be less of the unenforceable house parties if they let people go to controlled environments.

I see your point. Yet i think there is a need for people to stop socialising. These are venues of socialising. I can't make it clearer.

Reckless Abandonment · 17-10-2020 04:57PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

My sister (teacher) is positive at the moment . Along with 2 other teachers in her school

She then passed it onto her parnter

This will be defined as a household cluster . Even though it's clear she got it from her school as it's the only place she's been in weeks and her parnter has been working from home

Friend has a business same thing happened. Two staff contract it from the same group of friends but is put down as a work cluster even though they never worked the same shifts .

Blondini · 17-10-2020 04:57PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

My sister (teacher) is positive at the moment . Along with 2 other teachers in her school

She then passed it onto her parnter

This will be defined as a household cluster . Even though it's clear she got it from her school as it's the only place she's been in weeks and her parnter has been working from home

Someone will be along soon to tell you that you're wrong, even though it's your personal experience of your sister's situation.

Boggles · 17-10-2020 04:59PM

That is a funny one all right.

We are seeing the greatest rate of growth where people live.

Another fun stat.

100% of people live somewhere.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 05:00PM

s1ippy wrote: »

The thread currently reads like the circular ramblings inside the brain of someone who has gone actually insane during this pandemic.

Let us all take this opportunity in the pandemic to admit that we all are quite mad.

wirelessdude01 · 17-10-2020 05:02PM

NIMAN wrote: »

How is it a political decision .

I'd say every single politician thinks it's a good idea to try to keep kids at school, for their development and their mental health.

My own kids go to a rural school of approx 100 students. Been open 6 weeks now and no positive cases.

I don't want to see them shut.

It's political in so far as MM pretty much staked his reputation on schoos being reopened fully and staying thst way.

Noticed quite a few articles today and the previous few days that are beginning to question the official narrative that schools aren't helping the spread of covid.

We've had cases and had classes that had to stay at home, however we are also aware of cases within the school community where the school was never contacted by the HSE for contact tracing. Only possible reason is that it took three days for a test and thus outside of the 48hr window. This despite the fact that the child was sent home from schoo, for displaying the symptoms for which they were tested.

quartz1 · 17-10-2020 05:02PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Let us all take this opportunity in the pandemic to admit that we all are quite mad.

The most accuarate statement made in months

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 05:06PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Let us all take this opportunity in the pandemic to admit that we all are quite mad.

Just slightly mad!

17-10-2020 05:09PM

I notice under Level 4 and 5 there is no permission for providing care towards the unwell or vulnerable. Isn't that a bit odd?

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 05:09PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Let us all take this opportunity in the pandemic to admit that we all are quite mad.

100%

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 05:10PM

s1ippy wrote: »

The thread currently reads like the circular ramblings inside the brain of someone who has gone actually insane during this pandemic.

Must feel familiar to you :pac:

Str8outtaWuhan · 17-10-2020 05:10PM

NIMAN wrote: »

How is it a political decision .

I'd say every single politician thinks it's a good idea to try to keep kids at school, for their development and their mental health.

My own kids go to a rural school of approx 100 students. Been open 6 weeks now and no positive cases.

I don't want to see them shut.

Seems like the only thing the teachers unions seem to agree on is schools must close at level 5, I'd wager the gov realise that if they try to keep schools open at level 5 unions will pull a work to rule, bypassing industrial action. Means schools will close due to health and safety, not teachers on strike etc. Gov might try to keep it called level 4 but with enough of level 5 so unions can't argue.

Boggles · 17-10-2020 05:15PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Seems like the only thing the teachers unions seem to agree on is schools must close at level 5, I'd wager the gov realise that if they try to keep schools open at level 5 unions will pull a work to rule, bypassing industrial action. Means schools will close due to health and safety, not teachers on strike etc. Gov might try to keep it called level 4 but with enough of level 5 so unions can't argue.

No union as far as I am aware have called for any schools to close.

Reduced attendance is their proposed plan.

At the risk of agreeing with a union.

It's sensible.

The health and safety angle is an interesting one, because not only are your employers responsible for your health and safety, there is large duty of care on the employee too.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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