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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #4952
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Well that's herd immunity out the window.

    Vaccine the only solution.


  • #4953
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No but it is a hidden knock-on effect, especially after 8 months of this.

    I know. I just hope there is the political will to protect the general public.


  • #4954
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    brookers wrote: »
    Does anybody ever think of it this way. Just say we stay at level 3 and it doesnt work and covid spreads rapidly across Ireland but shops and business are open and people can eat outside pubs and cafes. How long before people start to get nervous and avoid shopping centres, eating on the side of the street etc, how long before your hotel break is cancelled or you cant send your kids to school because a lot of staff are out sick, would this not all lead to economic doom too. just a thought....im not a scientist or not anything really but just an opinion.

    If you've been to Dublin City centre the last few evenings it's pretty clear this is already occurring..other than a select few areas where there's outdoor seating Dublin was pretty deserted last night. By 10pm it was like a ghost town


  • #4955
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    When you move from 4, 5, 6% upwards in positivity rate of tests carried out you're not seeing a 'massive' fall in growth rate.

    4% -> 5% = 1/4 = 25% Increase

    6% -> 7% = 1/6 = 17% Increase

    It's not massive but it is a healthy decrease. I'm not sure positivity rate is really the best measure of growth rate anyway as it's partly driven by the level of testing and ability to identify those who are likely to have the virus.


  • #4956
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Well that's herd immunity out the window.

    Vaccine the only solution.

    Yes.

    The herd concept was never the solution anyway.


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  • #4957
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    Just tested positive again after having it in August. This year is a fcking write off.
    Are you ill? Or asymptomatic.


  • #4958
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    prunudo wrote: »
    Is it not possible that the test is picking up remnants of your previous infection. Hasn't the pcr test been known to detect the virus up to 78 days after initial infection.
    polesheep wrote: »
    I'm beginning to think that there are issues with the test. I'm hearing of more and more people getting two positives months apart. And although numbers have been high for some time now, we are not seeing the kind of numbers that would be expected with serious illness.

    Yeah I seriously hope that this is just a false positive, but really I don't know if there is any way I can get that verified. I find it unlikely that the HSE will do anything for me, as I rang HSE Live and was told that its in the hands of the contact tracing team to deal with (whenever they get around to ringing me).

    I'll isolate anyway again, and see how my household contacts fare. If they're negative I'd say its safe to assume it will have been a FP.

    Either way, its bloody annoying


  • #4959
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Are you ill? Or asymptomatic.

    Feeling 100% fine (or asymptomatic I suppose.)


  • #4960
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    If the second positive test was due to there being a positive close contact in the household it might mean that there are virus particles in your nose and throat. The PCR test would be sensitive enough to pick these up. It doesn't exactly mean you have the disease SARS-CoV-2.

    It's good you're asymptomatic, points to some sort of immunity. I hope it stays that way for you and your contact is better soon.


  • #4961
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    Yeah I seriously hope that this is just a false positive, but really I don't know if there is any way I can get that verified. I find it unlikely that the HSE will do anything for me, as I rang HSE Live and was told that its in the hands of the contact tracing team to deal with (whenever they get around to ringing me).

    I'll isolate anyway again, and see how my household contacts fare. If they're negative I'd say its safe to assume it will have been a FP.

    Either way, its bloody annoying

    Were you symptomatic in August may I ask?

    (Yeah, yeah I know, can't stay away from the thread :pac: )

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



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  • #4962
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    Feeling 100% fine (or asymptomatic I suppose.)
    So your immune system worked as intended.


  • #4963
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    Necro wrote: »
    Were you symptomatic in August may I ask?

    (Yeah, yeah I know, can't stay away from the thread :pac: )

    Yeah, but it was quite mild. If I had those symptoms in 2019 I wouldn't have thought anything of them.

    Loss of smell/taste, mild shortness of breath on a few occassions and aches.


  • #4964
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    At the current rate of growth we will be at 10% positivity rate in a week, maybe even sooner.


  • #4965
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,653 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Does anyone really think cases will be on the decline by next Thursday? Given it usually takes two or three weeks for the effects of restrictions to be seen. What do they possibly hope to see by next Thursday? It seems to me like they are just kicking the can down the road again


  • #4966
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    4% -> 5% = 1/4 = 25% Increase

    6% -> 7% = 1/6 = 17% Increase

    It's not massive but it is a healthy decrease. I'm not sure positivity rate is really the best measure of growth rate anyway as it's partly driven by the level of testing and ability to identify those who are likely to have the virus.

    Seamus, who's an excellent poster, said massive and that's where I felt he was wrong.

    All the indicators, bar ICU, are rising steadily still. I'm half working here so can't do the maths to show.


  • #4967
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yes.

    The herd concept was never the solution anyway.

    Vaccines don't give sterilising immunity either, none that are coming soon anyway

    Treatment will be just as important until they do


  • #4968
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamus wrote: »
    A lot of positive swabs today, but we've definitely seen a massive slowdown in growth over the last 7 days.

    Fingers crossed this holds for the next 5 days and starts dropping at the end of next week.

    :confused:

    There has been an 85% increase in confirmed infections.


  • #4969
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Does anyone really think cases will be on the decline by next Thursday? Given it usually takes two or three weeks for the effects of restrictions to be seen. What do they possibly hope to see by next Thursday? It seems to me like they are just kicking the can down the road again

    For what it's worth, i feel that the current measures have not worked, and that the upward growth in cases will continue.

    People need to stay at home.


  • #4970
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Vaccines don't give sterilising immunity either, none that are coming soon anyway

    Treatment will be just as important until they do

    Nonsense. The vaccines seem promising.


  • #4971
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,927 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think NPHET and the government need to clarify the situation around the schools, as it's looking increasingly likely that they will be open while lots of people will be put out of work.

    Social media has driven a narrative that the schools are hotbeds of covid. From what I have read of the stats they aren't.

    So we need Dr Tony to do a press conference and tell us are the schools being open a good or bad thing for the spread of the virus.


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  • #4972
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Russman


    So, regardless of if you’re a “shut it all down now” or “let her rip” merchant, what do we think is the realistic threshold of cases, hospital admissions, ICU occupancy etc that would force the government to take further action ?

    As an aside, yer man writing a research paper showing we should go back to Level 2 - is he actually trying to lose the next election ??


  • #4973
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    May test - I had some symptoms but it turned out just to be me feeling generally under the weather.

    August - I had close contact with a confirmed case. I had symptoms for about 5 days in total, loss of smell/taste, mild shortness of breath and aches in my neck. That was about it, very mild altogether.

    Now - close contact within the household. No symptoms at all.

    It would be interesting to see results of an antibody test in your situation.


  • #4974
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Russman wrote: »
    So, regardless of if you’re a “shut it all down now” or “let her rip” merchant, what do we think is the realistic threshold of cases, hospital admissions, ICU occupancy etc that would force the government to take further action ?

    As an aside, yer man writing a research paper showing we should go back to Level 2 - is he actually trying to lose the next election ??

    The current rise in cases forced the government to take action two weeks ago.


  • #4975
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    NIMAN wrote: »

    So we need Dr Tony to do a press conference and tell us are the schools being open a good or bad thing for the spread of the virus.
    When was Holohan elected to the office of Taoiseach?


  • #4976
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    When was Holohan elected to the office of Taoiseach?

    If only.


  • #4977
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    froog wrote: »
    i don't think retail shops should close under any level of the plan. they seem very low risk in my opinion with distancing, sanitizing and masks. pubs and restaurants being the exception.

    I think that if the general consensus is that house parties/celebrations etc. in uncontrolled environments is the problem, then that should be the target. Not retail shops and not pubs/restaurants either once they are controlled and kept to small gatherings.


  • #4978
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Russman wrote: »
    So, regardless of if you’re a “shut it all down now” or “let her rip” merchant, what do we think is the realistic threshold of cases, hospital admissions, ICU occupancy etc that would force the government to take further action ?

    They will be taking further action over the next few days. Differences between level 4 and 5 seem pretty cosmetic to me


  • #4979
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    May test - I had some symptoms but it turned out just to be me feeling generally under the weather.

    August - I had close contact with a confirmed case. I had symptoms for about 5 days in total, loss of smell/taste, mild shortness of breath and aches in my neck. That was about it, very mild altogether.

    Now - close contact within the household. No symptoms at all.

    Looks like the new test is still detecting fragments of the virus from august.


  • #4980
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I think that if the general consensus is that house parties/celebrations etc. in uncontrolled environments is the problem, then that should be the target. Not retail shops and not pubs/restaurants either once they are controlled and kept to small gatherings.

    The issue is that the latter is enforceable. Stopping house gatherings is wishful thinking, not policy.


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  • #4981
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Russman


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    The current rise in cases forced the government to take action two weeks ago.

    Ya I know that, I mean decide to take further meaningful action. Surely there’ll potentially come a point if the current L3 doesn’t work, where it’s unsustainable to just stay as we are, and to an extent it won’t be a “choice” ?


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