Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

brookers · 17-10-2020 03:44PM

Does anybody ever think of it this way. Just say we stay at level 3 and it doesnt work and covid spreads rapidly across Ireland but shops and business are open and people can eat outside pubs and cafes. How long before people start to get nervous and avoid shopping centres, eating on the side of the street etc, how long before your hotel break is cancelled or you cant send your kids to school because a lot of staff are out sick, would this not all lead to economic doom too. just a thought....im not a scientist or not anything really but just an opinion.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:44PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This question of balance.

There is an implicit suggestion that both things need to be done at the same time.

That is a nonsense. Quite the opposite.

We can restrict economic activity now to ensure growth later on. That is the optimum in terms of public health and economic well-being.

Except that restricting economic activity could end some businesses and ruin the economic and mental well-being of a whole lot of workers.

seamus · 17-10-2020 03:45PM

A lot of positive swabs today, but we've definitely seen a massive slowdown in growth over the last 7 days.

Fingers crossed this holds for the next 5 days and starts dropping at the end of next week.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 03:45PM

billybonkers wrote: »

So are we getting an announcement today?

Surely they have to get something out there. Can't just leave it until Monday?

You imagine not but ive learned not to be surprised at this stage

prunudo · 17-10-2020 03:46PM

brookers wrote: »

Does anybody ever think of it this way. Just say we stay at level 3 and it doesnt work and covid spreads rapidly across Ireland but shops and business are open and people can eat outside pubs and cafes. How long before people start to get nervous and avoid shopping centres, eating on the side of the street etc, how long before your hotel break is cancelled or you cant send your kids to school because a lot of staff are out sick, would this not all lead to economic doom too. just a thought....im not a scientist or not anything really but just an opinion.

To a certain extent thats already happening, a lot of classes are being cancelled because teachers are out sick, self isolating or covering other lessons.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 03:47PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Belgium over 10k cases today, there could be big numbers in alot of countries

And Belgium has imposed measures in recent weeks.

What is on my mind is the question of which measures work.

We went in to lockdown in March. It worked.

We still went shopping. Even without masks.

What has changed?

I dont think any sector of the economy, or schools or anything else is to blame.

But in late March, there was no one on the streets.

ixoy · 17-10-2020 03:48PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We can restrict economic activity now to ensure growth later on. That is the optimum in terms of public health and economic well-being.

But how long do you restrict it for? What do you restrict? If you shut businesses down a lot - as Level 5 dictates - how will they pay their bills (PUP only covers wages, not all costs)? The government cannot cover it all, no matter how much we might wish it (continencies in the budget seem very vague).

SusanC10 · 17-10-2020 03:49PM

ixoy wrote: »

But how long do you restrict it for? What do you restrict? If you shut businesses down a lot - as Level 5 dictates - how will they pay their bills (PUP only covers wages, not all costs)? The government cannot cover it all, no matter how much we might wish it (continencies in the budget seem very vague).

How did they do it in Melbourne?
I don't know the answer but I am wondering how they managed the economic impact of their Lockdown?

Oranage2 · 17-10-2020 03:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Except that restricting economic activity could end some businesses and ruin the economic and mental well-being of a whole lot of workers.

That's the nature of the game, businesses close all the time and new businesses open.

majcos · 17-10-2020 03:53PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

But not everyone in ICU is ventilated. Those on ventilators are a small subportion of our ICU total also?

Severe condition sounds like ICU to me but maybe I'm wrong

60% (18/30) of cases in ICU last night in Ireland were on ventilators so it’s large proportion of ICU patients. Others likely on some form of organ support or very close to it or would be transferred back out to a general ward or high dedendency area. Patients could be in ICU on a form of non invasive ventilation, such as a very tightly fitting oxygen mask with high levels of oxygen or an oxygen hood. Those would not strictly be counted as ventilated patients as are conscious and are not intubated.

Patients would usually be kept in ICU for a time period immediately after being extubated/taken off ventilator as some people end up tiring and need to be put back on ventilator again and therefore need very close monitoring. That accounts for some of the other 12/30 in ICU but not currently ventilated. Or patients could be in ICU as requiring some other forms of support like noradrenaline to keep blood pressure from crashing too low. Or if needed a continuous form of dialysis if kidneys have failed suddenly.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 03:55PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

How did they do it in Melbourne?
I don't know the answer but I am wondering how they managed the economic impact of their Lockdown?

I find the internet is a great source of information. Many newspapers are online including Melbourne based newspapers. Like here the lockdown is destroying the livelihood of thousands in Melbourne.

Denny61 · 17-10-2020 03:55PM

Just heard from a reliable source country will not go in to level 5

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:55PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's the nature of the game, businesses close all the time and new businesses open.

In a normal economy yes, in this case not so much.

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 03:56PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And Belgium has imposed measures in recent weeks.

What is on my mind is the question of which measures work.

We went in to lockdown in March. It worked.

We still went shopping. Even without masks.

What has changed?

I dont think any sector of the economy, or schools or anything else is to blame.

But in late March, there was no one on the streets.

Compliance with the basics is what is changed, simple as.

I'm young and it drives me spare walking around the place seeing people who are old enough to be considered "vulnerable" having the chats on the street on top of each other.

There's far too much "sure it'll be grand" attitude now and only a serious rise in fatalities or removal of freedoms will wake some people up the reality.

Limit your contacts, it's that f**king simple.

The crisis has definitely emphasised the fact that a lot of people sadly don't give a toss about society or the greater good.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 03:57PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's the nature of the game, businesses close all the time and new businesses open.

Your comment applies to normal business activity, actually it was a ridiculous comment to make tbh.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:58PM

Denny61 wrote: »

Just heard from a reliable source country will not go in to level 5

Probably right, it really causes an awful lot of problems and we wouldn't be "allowed" to get out of it for a lot longer than they've suggested.

BringBackMick · 17-10-2020 03:59PM

My uncle informed me that a source told him top ministers have agreed to give current measures another few days and the situation will be reassessed next Thursday. If at that point things are still deteriorating they will consider a move to level 5.

The source ended by saying, that current measures have only been introduced and have not been given enough time to assess their impact. They will stand ready to do what it takes.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 04:01PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

My uncle informed me that a source told him top ministers have agreed to give current measures another few days and the situation will be reassessed next Thursday. If at that point things are still deteriorating they will consider a move to level 5.

The source ended by saying, that current measures have only been introduced and have not been given enough time to assess their impact. They will stand ready to do what it takes.

Even if your uncle is a spoofer that's all pretty logical - ride out Levels 3 & 4 period first.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 04:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Probably right, it really causes an awful lot of problems and we wouldn't be "allowed" to get out of it for a lot longer than they've suggested.

Just to reply to the longer bit, there was no way level 5 was to last only 6 weeks anyone that bought that is in my view an idiot. We were the slowest country to reopen in Europe despite low infection numbers at the time.
It's past time now that Nphet meet in private and pass on their advice for consideration away from the media. The twice weekly briefings serve no purpose other than to whip up hysteria.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 04:03PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just to reply to the longer bit, there was no way level 5 was to last only 6 weeks. We were the slowest country to reopen in Europe despite low infection numbers at the time.
It's past time now that Nphet meet in private and pass on their advice for consideration away from the media. The twice weekly briefings serve no purpose other than to whip up hysteria.

Whatever level is implemented in the next few weeks will remain until next Summer.

The household social ban will not be lifted

Oranage2 · 17-10-2020 04:03PM

I reckon the government will stay in level 3 but implement level 5 restrictions.

IrishStuff09 · 17-10-2020 04:04PM

Just tested positive again after having it in August. This year is a fcking write off.

khalessi · 17-10-2020 04:04PM

Gonna be a lonely Christmas for many if that is the case.

They wil have to come with info on support bubbles for people living alone and single parents.

titan18 · 17-10-2020 04:04PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

My uncle informed me that a source told him top ministers have agreed to give current measures another few days and the situation will be reassessed next Thursday. If at that point things are still deteriorating they will consider a move to level 5.

The source ended by saying, that current measures have only been introduced and have not been given enough time to assess their impact. They will stand ready to do what it takes.

I know some measures were only introduced but we've been at level 3 countrywide for a week and a half now and Dublin and Donegal for much longer. It's hard to see how the government can be dumb enough to think it's working

eigrod · 17-10-2020 04:06PM

seamus wrote: »

A lot of positive swabs today, but we've definitely seen a massive slowdown in growth over the last 7 days.

Fingers crossed this holds for the next 5 days and starts dropping at the end of next week.

Massive amount of tests too - 19k in 24 hours is huge

ixoy · 17-10-2020 04:06PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Compliance with the basics is what is changed, simple as.

Again, this. This is the real problem and a Level 5 move might help a little but not the game changer. In fact, I'd agree roughly with the idea that no social visits as we have now is a much bigger move than that brought in at higher levels, such as shutting businesses down. If people follow it properly - and all the basic recommendations -it should make a big difference - but if they don't, it won't.

Roots 2020 · 17-10-2020 04:06PM

seamus wrote: »

A lot of positive swabs today, but we've definitely seen a massive slowdown in growth over the last 7 days.

Fingers crossed this holds for the next 5 days and starts dropping at the end of next week.

You're a really top poster Seamus, always non biased either way.

But I don't agree here. No way has there been a massive slow down. We started the week with regular 800+ cases and then 1100, 1,200 and 1,000. Way up on last week's averages.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 04:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The household social ban will not be lifted

It's not a ban, it's an advisement. The media particularly RTE claim it's a ban. My parents both in their 70's will not be observing it, likewise my wife's parents ( 70's also) have no interest in following it.

Jenna James · 17-10-2020 04:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Whatever level is implemented in the next few weeks will remain until next Summer.

The household social ban will not be lifted

I wish they would decide on something for at least a couple of weeks, assuming that it's realistic and things don't fluctuate so much as to warrant another change, in which case fair enough. The constant changing of restrictions, telling us they're worried, leaks etc. is just very difficult to deal with no matter how much you avoid the news.

The household ban is most certainly not being observed in my next door neighbours house. Another car of visitors has just arrived. These folks are past 80 and there's no social distancing happening yet they're the first to complain about everyone else.

AlphaDelta1 · 17-10-2020 04:07PM

Any swab numbers today yet. Hoping for below 800.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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