Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

TonyMaloney · 17-10-2020 03:26PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Jesus christ can we not just try level 3 for a bit or even level 4. I can't understand the logic of jumping straight to using the sledgehammer approach that is level 5.

we're not jumping straight to anything

our experts have been trying to get this done for weeks. Now everything is quite a bit worse

17-10-2020 03:26PM

speckle wrote: »

thanks Catmaniac, translate not working on mobile.

Slovak Republic has a good English language newspaper with voluntary paywall:

https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22512665/the-state-prepares-across-the-board-coronavirus-testing.html

political analyst · 17-10-2020 03:26PM

Previously, I asked about HSE recruitment of healthcare workers. This article from May goes some way to answer my question.

https://www.thejournal.ie/nursing-graduates-job-hse-intern-covid-coronavirus-5110015-May2020/

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 03:27PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Jesus christ can we not just try level 3 for a bit or even level 4. I can't understand the logic of jumping straight to using the sledgehammer approach that is level 5.

We're doing that at the moment. Doesn't look like a move to level 5 is on the cards judging by media reports.

At what threshold of new cases / hospitalisations should we wait for before moving to level 5 in your view?

kenmc · 17-10-2020 03:28PM

jopax wrote: »

Ok thanks for that, can I ask 1 more silly question, how would it happen that there would be double swabs taken, does that mean a person could be tested twice within that time period?

Yes, also some people get tested on day 1 and again day 7. If they're still positive on that second test, it's a positive test but not a new case

JP100 · 17-10-2020 03:28PM

So Marc McSharry is advocating we move to level 2 and is telling the world and his donkey that he has wrote a research paper on why we should move back to level 2!

Fr_Dougal · 17-10-2020 03:29PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Jesus Christ, we will be at 2k a day by the end of October

It’s not the schools anyhow.

billybonkers · 17-10-2020 03:30PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Jesus christ can we not just try level 3 for a bit or even level 4. I can't understand the logic of jumping straight to using the sledgehammer approach that is level 5.

And that's why you don't make the decision we don't understand the modelling, how viruses work etc we're all armchair experts here

Leave it to the professionals. They only want the best for peoples health

titan18 · 17-10-2020 03:30PM

political analyst wrote: »

Given that the Republic is much less densely populated than the Australian state of Victoria, why would it need a 6-week Level 5 lockdown?

Assuming I'm reading wiki right, we're higher density. Victoria has 26 people per km. Ireland has 77 people.

SPDUB · 17-10-2020 03:31PM

munstergirl wrote: »

Except people are not social distancing inside shops. It's back to being a family day out for some.

They might be social distancing at the checkout.

3 shops I was in last week where it wasn't being observed properly at checkout either .

Encountered the family day out as well .

JP100 · 17-10-2020 03:31PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Jesus christ can we not just try level 3 for a bit or even level 4.

Dublin has been on level 3 for almost a month now.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-10-2020 03:32PM

jopax wrote: »

Ok thanks for that, can I ask 1 more silly question, how would it happen that there would be double swabs taken, does that mean a person could be tested twice within that time period?

I feel symptoms on Monday. I ring my gp. I get a test on Tuesday. My condition worsens on Tuesday night. I ring the ambulance and get checked into hospital. The hospital runs a test. Their labs can be quicker. I find out Wednesday morning from the hospital that I'm positive and Wednesday night the testing centre contacts me. I'm in the system twice as a positive.

Or I get tested Monday. The result is low positive. I'm told on Wednesday I need to be retested. Im counted as a positive swab but I'm not a case as I'm considered to be a potential false positive. My retest comes through as positive. I'm now 2 positive swabs on different days but one positive case.

Some people say that the swab totals are midday to midday whe the case totals are midnight to midnight. I'm not certiin about that myself though.

Ohmeha · 17-10-2020 03:32PM

munstergirl wrote: »

Except people are not social distancing inside shops. It's back to being a family day out for some.

They might be social distancing at the checkout or going in the door but lots of people wandering around shops, touching everything they see, like a normal shopping day not in the middle of pandemic.

Stopping to chat with people they meet, masks under chin, nose sticking out of mask, or no mask. Touching their face mask then touching the goods.

Huge amounts of crowds inside some shops with no social distancing.

Exactly what I seen with my eyes in Dublin City Centre this morning in the shops and shopping centres like Jervis and Ilac, couldn't wait to get out. Too much of the population and retailers still do not get it or do not give a fck

Also too many still on the DART today heading out to Howth for a day out with no masks on or wearing them below the nose or chin

The same people spreading this virus around now will continue to spread it in December, next February, next April, next June... I give up.

JP100 · 17-10-2020 03:33PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

we're not jumping straight to anything

our experts have been trying to get this done for weeks. Now everything is quite a bit worse

Exactly.

jopax · 17-10-2020 03:33PM

kenmc wrote: »

Yes, also some people get tested on day 1 and again day 7. If they're still positive on that second test, it's a positive test but not a new case

Thanks now I understand it perfectly.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:33PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Exactly what I seen with my eyes in Dublin City Centre this morning in the shops and shopping centres like Jervis and Ilac, couldn't wait to get out. Too much of the population and retailers still do not get it or do not give a fck

Also too many still on the DART today heading out to Howth for a day out with no masks on or wearing them below the nose or chin

The same people spreading this virus around now will continue to spread it in December, next February, next April, next June... I give up.

Or they are just tired like you!

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 03:34PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

we're not jumping straight to anything

our experts have been trying to get this done for weeks. Now everything is quite a bit worse

Sorry yes you're right. The suggestion 2 weeks ago was to jump from level 2 to 5.

Ohmeha · 17-10-2020 03:35PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Or they are just tired like you!

I still very happily have my mask on to protect other people's health and to protect the economy

lukas8888 · 17-10-2020 03:35PM

munstergirl wrote: »

Except people are not social distancing inside shops. It's back to being a family day out for some.

They might be social distancing at the checkout or going in the door but lots of people wandering around shops, touching everything they see, like a normal shopping day not in the middle of pandemic.

Stopping to chat with people they meet, masks under chin, nose sticking out of mask, or no mask. Touching their face mask then touching the goods.

Huge amounts of crowds inside some shops with no social distancing.

In other words hand another bonanza to the large multiples as happened in March.Essential retail did not stop the Tescos etc not content with selling grocery and household,they had big clothing sales attracting crowds to their stores at the expense of small owner run retail closed.But sure we are all in this together.

quartz1 · 17-10-2020 03:35PM

JP100 wrote: »

So Marc McSharry is advocating we move to level 2 and is telling the world and his donkey that he has wrote a research paper on why we should move back to level 2!

Jim o Callaghan , Mark McSharry and Cowen all playing politics with the people's health

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 03:35PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Exactly what I seen with my eyes in Dublin City Centre this morning in the shops and shopping centres like Jervis and Ilac, couldn't wait to get out. Too much of the population and retailers still do not get it or do not give a fck

Also too many still on the DART today heading out to Howth for a day out with no masks on or wearing them below the nose or chin

The same people spreading this virus around now will continue to spread it in December, next February, next April, next June... I give up.

I see it too.

We are in the phoney war period of the pandemic.

Gael23 · 17-10-2020 03:35PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I feel symptoms on Monday. I ring my gp. I get a test on Tuesday. My condition worsens on Tuesday night. I ring the ambulance and get checked into hospital. The hospital runs a test. Their labs can be quicker. I find out Wednesday morning from the hospital that I'm positive and Wednesday night the testing centre contacts me. I'm in the system twice as a positive.

Or I get tested Monday. The result is low positive. I'm told on Wednesday I need to be retested. Im counted as a positive swab but I'm not a case as I'm considered to be a potential false positive. My retest comes through as positive. I'm now 2 positive swabs on different days but one positive case.

Some people say that the swab totals are midday to midday whe the case totals are midnight to midnight. I'm not certiin about that myself though.

This would explain denotified cases

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:36PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

we're not jumping straight to anything

our experts have been trying to get this done for weeks. Now everything is quite a bit worse

Well, they did want it on Monday evening off a Sunday meeting , where nobody knew they were even looking at Level 5.

ixoy · 17-10-2020 03:36PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

our experts have been trying to get this done for weeks. Now everything is quite a bit worse

Our experts in one area have. We also need to balance it against experts in other relevant areas to our society.

billybonkers · 17-10-2020 03:39PM

So are we getting an announcement today?

Surely they have to get something out there. Can't just leave it until Monday?

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 03:40PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

We're doing that at the moment. Doesn't look like a move to level 5 is on the cards judging by media reports.

At what threshold of new cases / hospitalisations should we wait for before moving to level 5 in your view?

Absolutely no clue. All I know is the plan is a complete and utter waste of time as the levels keep changing with no reasons given for why.

There doesn't appear to be any actual criteria for moving a county up a level (or two), or criteria for defining if the measures are having the desired effect.

I fully expect this to end with a 12 week + full lockdown. Lack of enforcement of measures or full buy in from a lot of the public will see to that.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 03:40PM

ixoy wrote: »

Our experts in one area have. We also need to balance it against experts in other relevant areas to our society.

This question of balance.

There is an implicit suggestion that both things need to be done at the same time.

That is a nonsense. Quite the opposite.

We can restrict economic activity now to ensure growth later on. That is the optimum in terms of public health and economic well-being.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:42PM

ixoy wrote: »

Our experts in one area have. We also need to balance it against experts in other relevant areas to our society.

The supposed NPHET government tension is down to months of rightly accepting NHPET advice at face value. Now, "Hold on we need to think about this" is a reminder of what government does or should do and that it is advice to be considered not to be put into immediate effect.

prunudo · 17-10-2020 03:42PM

quartz1 wrote: »

Jim o Callaghan , Mark McSharry and Cowen all playing politics with the people's health

And Holohan, Glynn, Nolan etc are playing with peoples livelihoods with their sledgehammer opinions.

Widdensushi · 17-10-2020 03:42PM

Belgium over 10k cases today, there could be big numbers in alot of countries

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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