Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 12:24AM

ChikiChiki wrote:

Party in the apartment above me. If I don't call the guards am I a part of the problem.

Yes you are. Do the right thing and make the call. You are a good citizen if you do.

stephenjmcd · 17-10-2020 12:25AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Party in the apartment above me. If I don't call the guards am I a part of the problem.

It's ****ing ticked me off all the same. Feel like letting a roar up to them. I'd love to be out and about myself ffs.

Make the call but I'd hazard a guess it won't be the first call they've got.

Its one of those where when there's cars free it'll get sent so wouldn't be expecting them to turn up ASAP unless it's quiet

MOR316 · 17-10-2020 12:25AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Everyone needs to shut up about Christmas. It's not going to be fixed by then. Either half the country is bankrupt or cases are still happening. It's really stupid and we really have more important things to consider.

I find the fixation really strange. Are we adults or kids. Lets try and have less deaths and a quieter Christmas.

Some of us hate our lives all year round but, for those two weeks, seeing people happy, the streets, the lights, the atmosphere, it makes our lives worth living and what I look forward to all year round.

So yeah, might be strange to you but, don't care.

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 12:26AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think we'll see nationwide level 4 tbh

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I had a listen to the WHO piece from today linked above.

One piece of the WHO presentation struck me as reasonably logical position to hold:

From Sylvie Briand, Director, Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness.

She said the way to deal with Covid was via 3 places and then activities in those places:

1. crowded spaces
2. closed spaces
3. spaces with limited ventilation

a. activity where you exercise and breath heavily
b. activity where you may sing etc. , and any other activities like that make your breath increase.

She said that you "can manage the risk by reducing close spaces, crowded spaces and poorly ventilated spaces, and by not doing those activities in those spaces."

Now, that seems sensible to me. But it doesn't seem like Level 5, but a more logical and targeted approach to type of businesses to be closed or restricted.

Closing Harvey Norman won't have much affect going by what she is saying, and indeed, nor will keeping properly managed pubs/restaurants closed if they ensure proper distancing and numbers per table.

Being given logical decisions by Govt. would go a long way to buy in instead of hysterical one size fits all approaches to all businesses.

I really don't get Level 4 or 5 tbh. I'd understand targeted measures as outlined by WHO above. But nobody seems to be listening to their logic in terms of restrictions.

MOR316 · 17-10-2020 12:26AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Party in the apartment above me. If I don't call the guards am I a part of the problem.

It's ****ing ticked me off all the same. Feel like letting a roar up to them. I'd love to be out and about myself ffs.

They won't come! I know this for an absolute fact! It's bottom of their to do list!

Call them though if you want...You'll see

Triangle · 17-10-2020 12:26AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Too much sense in that post.

And the rest of Europe had that same amount of sense. Could fill a thimble with it.

amadangomor · 17-10-2020 12:27AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Party in the apartment above me. If I don't call the guards am I a part of the problem.

It's ****ing ticked me off all the same. Feel like letting a roar up to them. I'd love to be out and about myself ffs.

Proper party as in lots of people jammed in or 4/5 people going a bit wild because they are starved of letting loose?

If a huge party would call if the latter probably not.

Must be tempting to go and join though

jam_mac_jam · 17-10-2020 12:29AM

amadangomor wrote: »

I'm interested because like a lot of people I want to go and see my parents over Christmas.

Will be a quiet one with them and my kids for three or four days if we can.

Can't see it happening now especially as father has heart problems and I will be working up until the day before Christmas Eve in a busy place.

Don't see the harm in people discussing it though?

I want to see my parents too. People need to accept it's not happening this year. There won't be restaurants or bars or parties and people need to stop taking about it like it's a possibility. Oh we have a lockdown now and it's all great for Christmas.

In the great scheme of things and after this year it really doesn't matter.

jojofizzio · 17-10-2020 12:29AM

Dear Micheal//Leo/Tony(or whoever makes the decisions)
If we go to level 4/5 whatever,can we do like the eejit in no.10 and at our highest alert level,keep the gyms/hairdressers/beauticians and shops open??
Thanks in advance
Me(and every one I know) x

Jinglejangle69 · 17-10-2020 12:30AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Make the call but I'd hazard a guess it won't be the first call they've got.

Its one of those where when there's cars free it'll get sent so wouldn't be expecting them to turn up ASAP unless it's quiet

What can the Gards do?

frank8211 · 17-10-2020 12:31AM

Arghus wrote: »

A fortnight ago I said that I'd eat my hat if we don't end up eventually in level 5, but with by then even worse case numbers.

Looks like I won't have to eat it, but I will eat if schools will remain open. As much as the government says today that they will I'm pretty damn certain that schools will eventually close just like everything else. All they are doing is sticking to that line for now, just give it time.

Yes we all stay in and have no visitors until that becomes incontivertible. No pubs cafes churches holding communions weddings etc to blame/ they must be well past tense and living on the PUP for good while first

Eod100 · 17-10-2020 12:32AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What can the Gards do?

Nothing. Maybe knock on the door and advise. Can't enter unless they have a warrant unless risk of loss of life say.

jam_mac_jam · 17-10-2020 12:32AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Some of us hate our lives all year round but, for those two weeks, seeing people happy, the streets, the lights, the atmosphere, it makes our lives worth living and what I look forward to all year round.

So yeah, might be strange to you but, don't care.

I love the atmosphere myself but it's not happening this year and people need to accept that and focus on more important things.

I'm sorry for anyone who feels that way about their life. And relies on Christmas to feel better.

MelbourneMan · 17-10-2020 12:32AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Isn't Nphet's remit to advise as opposed to dictate.

I can confirm that this is the case, and indeed, they do not dictate. NPHET is fully cognisant of its advisory role to support the government making informed decision. In no case does it dictate policy to the government, and it is fully aware that full executive decision making rests with the government.

ChikiChiki · 17-10-2020 12:32AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Proper party as in lots of people jammed in or 4/5 people going a bit wild because they are starved of letting loose?

If a huge party would call if the latter probably not.

Must be tempting to go and join though

I'd say 6/7 max. Although different households as only 2 live there.

I think it's the ****e guitar playing and singing that has me irate.

I'd love a sesh to be fair but meh Pfizer look close so I'll hold out!

2021 could be some year :-)

ixoy · 17-10-2020 12:33AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I want to see my parents too. People need to accept it's not happening this year.

No, it will absolutely happen this year, regardless of whether it should happen. Some posters here should understand that and I think, to a degree, the government does which is why they're trying to do this now because Christmas will happen for many people.

Stheno · 17-10-2020 12:34AM

Dublin currently

No wet pubs - level five of original plan
No household visits - level four of original plan

Still being called level three

Complete screw up

I don't see any sense in what NPHET are doing. New restrictions came in this week and have not been given a chance at all

quokula · 17-10-2020 12:37AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Nothing. Maybe knock on the door and advise. Can't enter unless they have a warrant unless risk of loss of life say.

Even if it's just advice, you'd have to be an almighty **** to have a Garda come to your door, ask you to stop, and then you carry on regardless.

mountgomery burns · 17-10-2020 12:38AM

They would want to be some bunch of morons altogether to tell people they can't see their families at Christmas having asked many of them to stay in isolation for at least a third of the year.

Eod100 · 17-10-2020 12:40AM

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin currently

No wet pubs - level five of original plan
No household visits - level four of original plan

Still being called level three

Complete screw up

I don't see any sense in what NPHET are doing. New restrictions came in this week and have not been given a chance at all

Restrictions have been in place 4 weeks in Dublin though. And over 3 in Donegal. Think it's because in their previous letter, they thought level 5 was needed. Cases now higher than their projections. Don't have time to wait a few weeks unfortunately when there's a lag of cases due to incubation period. Need to try and get ahead of it.

MOR316 · 17-10-2020 12:40AM

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin currently

No wet pubs - level five of original plan
No household visits - level four of original plan

Still being called level three

Complete screw up

I don't see any sense in what NPHET are doing. New restrictions came in this week and have not been given a chance at all

I said earlier today, Tony and his mates need to go.
Not because I disagree with restrictions but, purely because their answer to everything is "Lockdown"

That's the moron's answer! That's the answer I and everyone else gives. I mean, there were posters wanting Lockdown when we had 14 or 15 daily cases and NPHET says this is expert advice?
So that makes us all experts does it? They haven't a clue and this craic with the schools proves it!

Their mates in the media, at the pressers, they're not even challenging them on this. ****ing **** are more interested in getting a nod and a wink off Tony ffs

Eod100 · 17-10-2020 12:42AM

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's just advice, you'd have to be an almighty **** to have a Garda come to your door, ask you to stop, and then you carry on regardless.

I think if they're willing to do it the first place, they likely wouldn't care if there's no penalty for it tbh.

Jinglejangle69 · 17-10-2020 12:42AM

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's just advice, you'd have to be an almighty **** to have a Garda come to your door, ask you to stop, and then you carry on regardless.

You obviously don't live in certain areas that we all know what this is about.

Not a criticism but in the real world....

Certain areas have been breaking rules and will continue to regardless.

frank8211 · 17-10-2020 12:43AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Party in the apartment above me. If I don't call the guards am I a part of the problem.

It's ****ing ticked me off all the same. Feel like letting a roar up to them. I'd love to be out and about myself ffs.

Very understandable

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:44AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What can the Gards do?

Join the party if they are finished their shift?

Eod100 · 17-10-2020 12:45AM

MOR316 wrote: »

I said earlier today, Tony and his mates need to go.
Not because I disagree with restrictions but, purely because their answer to everything is "Lockdown"

That's the moron's answer! That's the answer I and everyone else gives. I mean, there were posters wanting Lockdown when we had 14 or 15 daily cases and NPHET says this is expert advice?
So that makes us all experts does it? They haven't a clue and this craic with the schools proves it!

Their mates in the media, at the pressers, they're not even challenging them on this. ****ing **** are more interested in getting a nod and a wink off Tony ffs

I've yet to hear an alternative from anyone opposing restrictions. Government's answer is restrictions which are in name lower but have aspects from higher levels. No clear exit strategy.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:49AM

quokula wrote: »

Even if it's just advice, you'd have to be an almighty **** to have a Garda come to your door, ask you to stop, and then you carry on regardless.

The Garda can ask them to turn down the noise down that's about it .If one is going to throw a party I don't imagine they care what anyone thinks including a 'toothless' Garda.

Wolf359f · 17-10-2020 12:50AM

MOR316 wrote: »

I said earlier today, Tony and his mates need to go.
Not because I disagree with restrictions but, purely because their answer to everything is "Lockdown"

That's the moron's answer! That's the answer I and everyone else gives. I mean, there were posters wanting Lockdown when we had 14 or 15 daily cases and NPHET says this is expert advice?
So that makes us all experts does it? They haven't a clue and this craic with the schools proves it!

Their mates in the media, at the pressers, they're not even challenging them on this. ****ing **** are more interested in getting a nod and a wink off Tony ffs

In fairness, they did reiterate the point on extra enforcement of measures.
Public compliance will make more open levels work, public don't comply and the government won't enforce them, then all NPHET can advise is level 5 etc...
To some extent the public and government back NPHET into a corner.
From a public health perspective, what else can they do other than advise level 5 at this stage?

MOR316 · 17-10-2020 12:53AM

Eod100 wrote: »

I've yet to hear an alternative from anyone opposing restrictions. Government's answer is restrictions which are in name lower but have aspects from higher levels. No clear exit strategy.

There were alternatives posted earlier but, can't recall them. I was "working"

Me? I haven't given it a thought only that, it's absolutely laughable that they expect people to stay at home, no interaction with anyone, close the entire country down but, will keep the schools, the very thing that opened and is causing this resurgence of cases, and expect people to live and isolate with students

None of that makes any sense!

Parents today, 100s of them, hanging around outside schools...Smoking, talking, laughing...I know one parent who knew her kid was around someone who had the virus...Sent them to school anyways.
I heard of two teens who shifted, one of them had the virus, both went to school and the other brought it home.

But yeah, it's the pubs, restaurants, museums, gyms, hotels, planes, tourists that caused this massive rise in cases... :rolleyes:

Sorry, I cannot get my head around any of this

stephenjmcd · 17-10-2020 12:53AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What can the Gards do?

Under public health zero, most of the time those calls are bottom of the queue

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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