Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Charles Babbage · 16-10-2020 06:02PM

niallo27 wrote: »

As was suggested, curfews. I'm not against restrictions. I'm just against closing retail and putting 500k out of work. I work in pharma so not affected directly. I'm for fines too and close the schools for 8 weeks. Anything that keeps business open and I don't think they are cause for infections.

However, retail needs to step up to the plate and ensure proper behaviour in their premises, something they have not done to date.

ShooterSF · 16-10-2020 06:03PM

Meath's odds of staying out of level 4 look slim

JP Liz V1 · 16-10-2020 06:03PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317146480721973251

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2020 06:03PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

"Jaysus, them missiles are comin in fierce high, hai"

Well hai... free lead hai

GooglePlus · 16-10-2020 06:03PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Hardly a coincidence in my opinion

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Russman · 16-10-2020 06:04PM

niallo27 wrote: »

As was suggested, curfews. I'm not against restrictions. I'm just against closing retail and putting 500k out of work. I work in pharma so not affected directly. I'm for fines too and close the schools for 8 weeks. Anything that keeps business open and I don't think they are cause for infections.

That’s fair enough and makes some sense, but genuinely, what do govt do when people just won’t fu€king obey the restrictions that are in place ? They’re almost forcing govt to close down (some of) the points of contact.

Nermal · 16-10-2020 06:04PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That's based on only 115 cases, it's an extremely small sample size.
Our figures are based of all positive cases, so of 1000 today, ~600 have symptoms and not ~200. Bit of a difference there (for people saying the case numbers are meaningless when there's 80% asymptomatic etc, which is incorrect)

Check the confidence intervals yourself. They're pretty tight.
https://www.dovepress.com/front_end/cr_data/cache/pdf/download_1602867670_5f89d1d683ad5/clep-276825-three-quarters-of-people-with-sars-cov-2-infection-are-asymp.pdf

The important thing is that it's truly random.

Our positive cases are not drawn from a random sample. No conclusions can be drawn from them whatsoever.

Polar101 · 16-10-2020 06:04PM

NI restrictions kicking off now at 6pm (hospitality sector closing for "4" weeks), and schools closing on Monday for "two" weeks.

Funsterdelux · 16-10-2020 06:04PM

mloc123 wrote: »

1299

xvril wrote: »

1299/2

Many thanks

JP100 · 16-10-2020 06:04PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

We should take this very well presented opportunity Of huge case numbers to annex Cavan and use it for Military target practice.

How can you annex something that already belongs to you! Unless you're going to tell us your Oliver Cromwell's ghost or something!!

Necro · 16-10-2020 06:05PM

niallo27 wrote: »

As was suggested, curfews. I'm not against restrictions. I'm just against closing retail and putting 500k out of work. I work in pharma so not affected directly. I'm for fines too and close the schools for 8 weeks. Anything that keeps business open and I don't think they are cause for infections.

Curfews? You want harsher restrictions and yet want to allow people to socialise?

The whole reason there need to be restrictions is because this virus absolutely LOVES when we socialise.

Unfortunately that means that hospitality has to endure harsher restrictions. It's a terrible shame, I feel horribly for all the workers and businesses affected but these are the cold hard facts of dealing with a virus that transmits in the fashion Covid does.

Harry Palmr · 16-10-2020 06:05PM

If Barry Cowen and Jim O'Callaghan say no, I say yes.

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2020 06:05PM

The people that have been following the guidelines all along will continue to do so.

The people that don’t will continue not to.

This needs enforcement.
Enforcement allows for compliance and compliance allows for a faster reduction to acceptable levels.

speckle · 16-10-2020 06:06PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Can anyone remember how long it took for the numbers to stabilise and then fall back in March/April?

very general reply first cases february, low march, april and may bad into second week of june going down.. but absolutely stand to be corrected...I was buzy with loads of things. seems like years ago.

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2020 06:06PM

JP100 wrote: »

How can you annex something that already belongs to you! Unless you're going to tell us your Oliver Cromwell's ghost or something!!

That’s hill-are-ous

podgeandrodge · 16-10-2020 06:06PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Update from WHO live.

I had a listen to the WHO piece from today linked above.

One piece of the WHO presentation struck me as reasonably logical position to hold:

From Sylvie Briand, Director, Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness.

She said the way to deal with Covid was via 3 places and then activities in those places:

1. crowded spaces
2. closed spaces
3. spaces with limited ventilation

a. activity where you exercise and breath heavily
b. activity where you may sing etc. , and any other activities like that make your breath increase.

She said that you "can manage the risk by reducing close spaces, crowded spaces and poorly ventilated spaces, and by not doing those activities in those spaces."

Now, that seems sensible to me. But it doesn't seem like Level 5, but a more logical and targeted approach to type of businesses to be closed or restricted.

Closing Harvey Norman won't have much affect going by what she is saying, and indeed, nor will keeping properly managed pubs/restaurants closed if they ensure proper distancing and numbers per table.

Being given logical decisions by Govt. would go a long way to buy in instead of hysterical one size fits all approaches to all businesses.

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 06:07PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317146480721973251

Barry Cowen knows all about running and hiding from things
Surprised at that take

Eod100 · 16-10-2020 06:07PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The people that have been following the guidelines all along will continue to do so.

The people that don’t will continue not to.

This needs enforcement.
Enforcement allows for compliance and compliance allows for a faster reduction to acceptable levels.

Agree but when a lot of it happens in private houses not sure how it could be without turning into a police state tbh.

ACitizenErased · 16-10-2020 06:07PM

Anyone know what Donegal had today?

Harry Palmr · 16-10-2020 06:07PM

Does this mean dirty phone calls are not allowed?

Str8outtaWuhan · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I had a listen to the WHO piece from today linked above.

One piece of the WHO presentation struck me as reasonably logical position to hold:

From Sylvie Briand, Director, Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness.

She said the way to deal with Covid was via 3 places and then activities in those places:

1. crowded spaces
2. closed spaces
3. spaces with limited ventilation

a. activity where you exercise and breath heavily
b. activity where you may sing etc. , and any other activities like that make your breath increase.

She said that you "can manage the risk by reducing close spaces, crowded spaces and poorly ventilated spaces, and by not doing those activities in those spaces."

Now, that seems sensible to me. But it doesn't seem like Level 5, but a more logical and targeted approach to type of businesses to be closed or restricted.

Closing Harvey Norman won't have much affect going by what she is saying, and indeed, nor will keeping properly managed pubs/restaurants closed if they ensure proper distancing and numbers per table.

Being given logical decisions by Govt. would go a long way to buy in instead of hysterical one size fits all approaches to all businesses.

All those things describe irish schools, lol

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

Nermal wrote: »

Check the confidence intervals yourself. They're pretty tight.
https://www.dovepress.com/front_end/cr_data/cache/pdf/download_1602867670_5f89d1d683ad5/clep-276825-three-quarters-of-people-with-sars-cov-2-infection-are-asymp.pdf

The important thing is that it's truly random.

Our positive cases are not drawn from a random sample. No conclusions can be drawn from them whatsoever.

~60% of positive cases in Ireland have symptoms at time of testing.
~20% don't.
That's Irish data, it means 600 of the 1000 cases announced today had symptoms. So people saying 80% of confirmed cases don't have any symptoms (I assume they say that meaning it's not a serious illness) is incorrect

Necro · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Does this mean dirty phone calls are not allowed?

Not only are they allowed, they are highly encouraged right now :pac:

RossNolan · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The people that have been following the guidelines all along will continue to do so.

The people that don’t will continue not to.

This needs enforcement.
Enforcement allows for compliance and compliance allows for a faster reduction to acceptable levels.

If a third of the country is passively ignoring restrictions we simply don't have the muscle to enforce compliance.

Hellrazer · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

froog wrote: »

not sure i follow you. open up the country but keep the restrictions we have now and the 5 point plan??

When you put it that way it sounds counter intuitive but it is what I mean.

So lets say we are where we are today. Just for the sake of somewhere to start from.

The whole country is at level 3.

Theres an outbreak in Cavan town due to a GAA match celebration … move Cavan town to level 5 for 2 weeks. But strictly enforce that level 5. No one enters and no one leaves unless it absolutely essential.

Meanwhile Virginia has zero cases. Move them to level 1 and let them get on with things. No one from Cavan town can enter or leave so hopefully Virginia stays relatively covid free.
Cavan after 14 days is then put back to say level 2 or 3 and is allowed to get on with things.

Target the places with the highest incidences.

But enforcement is the key.

niallo27 · 16-10-2020 06:08PM

froog wrote: »

so you want the entire country including schools shut down except for pubs and restaurants? that's your plan?

****ing hell.

What the **** are you talking about. Pubs and restaurants are shut already. When did I say anything about opening pubs. Seriously how did you get pubs from my post. I mentioned nothing about pubs. I said retail. Retail is not pubs

JP100 · 16-10-2020 06:09PM

RossNolan wrote: »

Not necessarily. If Level 3 achieved nothing Dublin would probably be leading the pack in the rate of new cases.

I think it is more likely that Level 3 worked in slowing the increase and given time would have turned the corner, but the explosion of cases in the counties bordering Dublin has helped push us back up. If the entire country was on Level 3 for several weeks I think we see stalling and then decline in new cases.

Level 3 is but a mere stalling tactic and barely a good one at that either.

Necro · 16-10-2020 06:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Anyone know what Donegal had today?

32 cases.

I'm getting worried for my own county here in Sligo

34 today so it's slowly bleeding down the country, we've absolutely rocketed up the 14 day incidence list in the past 2 weeks

Curious_Case · 16-10-2020 06:09PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Rejoice, rejoice, we have no choice but to carry on

We have all been here before

RossNolan · 16-10-2020 06:10PM

JP100 wrote: »

Level 3 is but a mere stalling tactic and barely a good one at that either.

We literally only have stalling tactics without a vaccine.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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