Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

SimonTemplar · 16-10-2020 05:48PM

We now have over 400 more cases this week compared to the entirety of last week with still the weekend to get through.

GooglePlus · 16-10-2020 05:48PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

300 backlog
We aren’t

What are you talking about, we're doing great sure there's no problem here. Head down and soldier on, contact tracing and all that

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 05:49PM

14 day incidence in Dublin has gotten considerable worse this week

Level 3 is failed dramatically

speckle · 16-10-2020 05:50PM

Amirani wrote: »

Jack Lambert badly used numbers in his article, without even getting into the health matters.

Comparing daily values in April against weekly values now is pretty poor analysis.

I don't think numbers are his strong point, he's got them quite wrong before. He had to later admit to being wrong on these numbers:

https://twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1252352108101169152?lang=en

Thats fair enough point but at least he can say he got it wrong. Which I like. But remember that was in april, I gather he was very buzy on the ground working. And also not part of NEPHET to get the inside track on numbers etc.

branie2 · 16-10-2020 05:51PM

Number of cases down a bit

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 05:51PM

branie2 wrote: »

Number of cases down a bit

Theres 300 swabs unaccounted for though

GooglePlus · 16-10-2020 05:51PM

branie2 wrote: »

Number of cases down a bit

That's the spirit!

froog · 16-10-2020 05:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Thats why we have a ****ing panel. Except all they want to do is advise the harshest lockdown in the world right now.

what else would you suggest? high level.

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 05:53PM

Nermal wrote: »

We are not testing randomly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/08/more-than-80-positive-cases-in-covid-study-had-no-core-symptoms

That's based on only 115 cases, it's an extremely small sample size.
Our figures are based of all positive cases, so of 1000 today, ~600 have symptoms and not ~200. Bit of a difference there (for people saying the case numbers are meaningless when there's 80% asymptomatic etc, which is incorrect)

xvril · 16-10-2020 05:54PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

14 day incidence in Dublin has gotten considerable worse this week

Level 3 is failed dramatically

Looked like it was beginning to work in Donegal

JP Liz V1 · 16-10-2020 05:55PM

So Cavan's cases are mostly from a sporting event and celebrations, GAA?

Cavan GP on VM1 news

xvril · 16-10-2020 05:55PM

Honestly think a level 5 lockdown will cause more problems than it will resolve

lawrencesummers · 16-10-2020 05:55PM

We should take this very well presented opportunity Of huge case numbers to annex Cavan and use it for Military target practice.

froog · 16-10-2020 05:55PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

There is an alternative. That does involve restrictions.
Heres the way I would do it if I was in charge of advising the government.

1. Open up the country.

2.Protect the most vulnerable in society-cocoon / isolate the vulnerable with supports in place for them ie food deliveries etc.

3.Enforce what we have instead of jumping from pillar to post and changing the rules when you(the government and nphet) feel like it. Its not helping the issue.

By enforce I mean make it a punishable offence for not wearing a mask / not sticking to the boundries of your local lockdown (see number 6) - mask wearing is the single most effective way to protect us all. -fine people that don't wear them when they are supposed to.

4.If you have a 5 point plan with properly defined procedures for dealing with the pandemic stick to it. Not have a 3.1 or 4.5 or any infinite number of decimal places between stages. Give each stage at least a defined time frame to see if it works.

5. Stop scare mongering the population. Be honest. Stop basing the lockdowns etc on unreliable information.

6. Use local lockdowns and not county wide or region wide. By this I mean if say Crumlin has the highest incidence of covid in Ireland - lock it down for 14 days and lock it down. None of this "its advice" and we have no way to enforce it. Theres no point in locking the back arse of Leitrim down when they have no cases and the city / town don the road is reporting huge numbers. Targeted lockdowns will halt the spread.

7. Stop NPHET from releasing information to the public. All media announcements to come from senior government. And backed up with reliable information.

not sure i follow you. open up the country but keep the restrictions we have now and the 5 point plan??

Oranage2 · 16-10-2020 05:56PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

There is an alternative. That does involve restrictions.
Heres the way I would do it if I was in charge of advising the government.

1. Open up the country.

2.Protect the most vulnerable in society-cocoon / isolate the vulnerable with supports in place for them ie food deliveries etc.

3.Enforce what we have instead of jumping from pillar to post and changing the rules when you(the government and nphet) feel like it. Its not helping the issue.

By enforce I mean make it a punishable offence for not wearing a mask / not sticking to the boundries of your local lockdown (see number 6) - mask wearing is the single most effective way to protect us all. -fine people that don't wear them when they are supposed to.

4.If you have a 5 point plan with properly defined procedures for dealing with the pandemic stick to it. Not have a 3.1 or 4.5 or any infinite number of decimal places between stages. Give each stage at least a defined time frame to see if it works.

5. Stop scare mongering the population. Be honest. Stop basing the lockdowns etc on unreliable information.

6. Use local lockdowns and not county wide or region wide. By this I mean if say Crumlin has the highest incidence of covid in Ireland - lock it down for 14 days and lock it down. None of this "its advice" and we have no way to enforce it. Theres no point in locking the back arse of Leitrim down when they have no cases and the city / town don the road is reporting huge numbers. Targeted lockdowns will halt the spread.

7. Stop NPHET from releasing information to the public. All media announcements to come from senior government. And backed up with reliable information.

Sorry but it's all too late for that now, we had wiggle room at the end of August, government made their play and sent the kids to school. Far too late for experiments now, we're heading for a lockdown and nothing can stop it at this stage.

pauldry · 16-10-2020 05:57PM

Maybe if cases are high on Saturday no one will notice since we will all be at house parties

rob316 · 16-10-2020 05:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine they smiled politely when some career civil servant knocked it up in half an hour.

It's a pretty scant document which changes daily.

As I said you have your narrative and are sticking to it.

mloc123 · 16-10-2020 05:57PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So Cavan's cases are mostly from a sporting event and celebrations, GAA?

Cavan GP on VM1 news

No, no, no.... Cavan is actually made up entirely of schools... This is why they have 4 times the national average.

niallo27 · 16-10-2020 05:58PM

froog wrote: »

what else would you suggest? high level.

As was suggested, curfews. I'm not against restrictions. I'm just against closing retail and putting 500k out of work. I work in pharma so not affected directly. I'm for fines too and close the schools for 8 weeks. Anything that keeps business open and I don't think they are cause for infections.

speckle · 16-10-2020 05:58PM

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caveat emptor wrote: »

Randomised trial show that these drugs don't decrease mortality. All propertied as effective treatments to so degree. No effect shown.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1316877188596002817?s=20

Thwre are najor questions to be asked od that study especially as a lot of the doctors where giving for example remdesovir at the wrong stage of the illness, which is shown by the up to date treatment protocols, like yer man in the white house got.:eek:

Think it was tviw it was dicussed on.

SimonTemplar · 16-10-2020 05:58PM

Whatever plan the government comes up with in the next few days, they need to focus on enforcement. They could announce level 5 or level 4.5 or level 3.75 or whatever, but that won't make a bit of difference if the same people continue to believe the rules don't apply to them.

Other European countries have enforced their restrictions much more stringently and we need to do the same.

That goes for employers too. If employees successfully worked from home during the first wave, there should be no reason why those employers should be asking / forcing the same employees into the workplace now. The government needs to make this unequivocal.

JP100 · 16-10-2020 05:59PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So Cavan's cases are mostly from a sporting event and celebrations, GAA?

Cavan GP on VM1 news

Simplistic to see Cavan's numbers solely on those terms. Cavan had very high numbers long before any GAA celebrations and a number of times over the course of this pandemic they have had the highest incidence rate in the country.

Necro · 16-10-2020 05:59PM

niallo27 wrote:

Thats why we have a ****ing panel. Except all they want to do is advise the harshest lockdown in the world right now.

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

GooglePlus · 16-10-2020 06:00PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

We should take this very well presented opportunity Of huge case numbers to annex Cavan and use it for Military target practice.

"Jaysus, them missiles are comin in fierce high, hai"

RossNolan · 16-10-2020 06:00PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

14 day incidence in Dublin has gotten considerable worse this week

Level 3 is failed dramatically

Not necessarily. If Level 3 achieved nothing Dublin would probably be leading the pack in the rate of new cases.

I think it is more likely that Level 3 worked in slowing the increase and given time would have turned the corner, but the explosion of cases in the counties bordering Dublin has helped push us back up. If the entire country was on Level 3 for several weeks I think we see stalling and then decline in new cases.

Funsterdelux · 16-10-2020 06:00PM

What were the 6 counties numbers today?

mloc123 · 16-10-2020 06:01PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

What were the 6 counties numbers today?

1299

froog · 16-10-2020 06:01PM

niallo27 wrote: »

As was suggested, curfews. I'm not against restrictions. I'm just against closing retail and putting 500k out of work. I work in pharma so not affected directly. I'm for fines too and close the schools for 8 weeks. Anything that keeps business open and I don't think they are cause for infections.

so you want the entire country including schools shut down except for pubs and restaurants? that's your plan?

****ing hell.

xvril · 16-10-2020 06:02PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

What were the 6 counties numbers today?

1299/2

Necro · 16-10-2020 06:02PM

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Whatever plan the government comes up with in the next few days, they need to focus on enforcement. They could announce level 5 or level 4.5 or level 3.75 or whatever, but that won't make a bit of difference if the same people continue to believe the rules don't apply to them.

Other European countries have enforced their restrictions much more stringently and we need to do the same.

That goes for employers too. If employees successfully worked from home during the first wave, there should be no reason why those employers should be asking / forcing the same employees into the workplace now. The government needs to make this unequivocal.

Exactly this. Level 15 million won't work if they don't at the very least crack down on those flouting the restrictions.

People skipping round the country doing whatever they want while the majority abide by the restrictions is not flying anymore.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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