Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Christy42 · 16-10-2020 04:39PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No tomorrow is a meeting of party leaders and ministers for finance and public expenditure.

Government saying there is no timeline on a decision.

Idiotic. Levels can be changed over time as figures change but people now want clarification on want immediate restrictions will be.

niallo27 · 16-10-2020 04:40PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

It's not just the government, NPHET for some inexplicable reason are ignoring the school issue.

Didn't you hear NPHET are exempt from criticism as they only give advice.

JP100 · 16-10-2020 04:41PM

owlbethere wrote: »

We had over 1200 cases yesterday and goodness know what it will be like today but the national average is appox 800 for the past 7 days. Tony said there's widespread community transmissions. Hospital admissions are up. Deaths are also up. The virus is reaching into more vulnerable parts too with more going into more nursing homes.

We have new restrictions on household visits to reduce the spread privately in homes. It makes sense. We are in a vulnerable position right now in Ireland. Yet there's playdates and sleepovers being planned. Isn't any wonder we are where we are.

That's the problem there itself. Once parents continually hear that kids aren't really getting it and that the schools are fine, they then logicalise that playdates etc are fine too.

frank8211 · 16-10-2020 04:41PM

Jenna James wrote: »

Totally pointless if the schools remain open. Transmission may be low but is transmission nonetheless. Let’s try to squash the damned thing.

I don't want to waste 3 or 8 (or whatever) weeks inside if schools are left open.

speckle · 16-10-2020 04:42PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Im constantly surprised by the amount of people who can’t think further ahead than a few weeks. It’s only been in the last few weeks that people have started talking about Christmas. It was clear from august, maybe earlier, that this wasn’t gonna be over at Christmas or even low enough to have a “normal” Christmas. Even those surprised that the “government have effectively cancelled Halloween” baffle me. What do people actually expect?

The fact is though that the narrative has moved from saving lives and the hse, to saving Christmas. And people will fall for it. Don’t get me wrong, we need to have restrictions to get this under control. But we’re definitely going to have a load of people in mid December suddenly realising it won’t be a normal Christmas and being surprised or offended that there won’t be a normal Christmas.

yes, it is a bit weird, we asked our remaining parent to make that decision end of august... actually they made it and told us:D but we are a slightly unusual family who understand infecious diseases due to having family quareenteened for TB this generation and family friends who worked with Ebola in Africa. That is when I first started reading research papers for them as they were too buzy in the field.

This too will pass and will have a time to grieve the beloved ones we have lost. And we will learn to dance and smile again. Hold that thought in your hearts.

retro:electro · 16-10-2020 04:43PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes the schools are being given priority. That has been said often.

I think we can all understand why the schools are being prioritised but it shouldn’t be the case that our public health emergency team are downplaying and in some cases completely ignoring the fact that schools have played a massive part in the recent spread.

mountgomery burns · 16-10-2020 04:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Ministers meeting tomorrow https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1317088762376192000?s=19

Very interesting who they are meeting with and not the minister for health

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 04:45PM

OwenM wrote: »

When 80% are asymptomatic?

62% have symptoms at the time of testing.
16% don't have and the remainder unknown according to hpsp reports.
Where are you getting the 80%?

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 04:45PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Very interesting who they are meeting with and not the minister for health

Not really, the 3 leaders and the money men! Donnelly would have no influence anyway.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 04:46PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I think we can all understand why the schools are being prioritised but it shouldn’t be the case that our public health emergency team are downplaying and in some cases completely ignoring the fact that schools have played a massive part in the recent spread.

HSE and data say they are not.

zerosugarbuzz · 16-10-2020 04:46PM

Jenna James wrote: »

You would think that the pandemic and all that has ensued would have led people to a place of knowing what’s important.

I’m not oblivious to the issues with the closure of schools but notwithstanding the meeting of families at Christmas, people need to accept that this year, at the very least, heavily commercialised holidays will be different but should be with a United goal in mind.

No, there’s no guarantees but isn’t it worth a try.

No I don't think it is worth a try. Even if we stay in for 6 weeks, wipe out the virus in Ireland, what happens when flights come in and out of the Country? I'll tell you, the virus comes back in and we start the whole rigmarole all over again. We should open everything and the vulnerable should be trusted to either stay in, or allowed to take their chances. knowing that the health service can't cope with them if they get ill. They are adults and should be able to make their own decisions.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 04:46PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Idiotic. Levels can be changed over time as figures change but people now want clarification on want immediate restrictions will be.

Well they need to actually plan out a response first. If they shutdown in the morning the same people shouting for shutdown now would be shouting that the supports aren't in place for those affected by it. Hence the ministers in charge of the countries finances need to be involved first, level 5 has absolutely huge economic impacts. Hundreds of thousands out of work overnight, not something you do without a plan

wirelessdude01 · 16-10-2020 04:47PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Very interesting who they are meeting with and not the minister for health

Did you actually read the tweet, he mentions that Donnelly will also be there in the first comment.

mountgomery burns · 16-10-2020 04:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really, the 3 leaders and the money men! Donnelly would have no influence anyway.

Who's on the sub cabinet committee, is it just those 5?

petes · 16-10-2020 04:49PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

No I don't think it is worth a try. Even if we stay in for 6 weeks, wipe out the virus in Ireland, what happens when flights come in and out of the Country? I'll tell you, the virus comes back in and we start the whole rigmarole all over again. We should open everything and the vulnerable should be trusted to either stay in, or allowed to take their chances. knowing that the health service can't cope with them if they get ill. They are adults and should be able to make their own decisions.

You don't understand anything at all really, do you.

mountgomery burns · 16-10-2020 04:49PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did you actually read the tweet, he mentions that Donnelly will also be there in the first comment.

Jesus relax. I read the embedded tweet only, so to answer your question yes I did.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 04:49PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Who's on the sub cabinet committee, is it just those 5?

The sub-committee is chaired by the Taoiseach Micheál Martin and other members are Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, Green Party leader Eamon Ryan, Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly, Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe and Minister for Public Expenditure Michael McGrath. Others come along periodically.

speckle · 16-10-2020 04:50PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

As if it matters anyway, oh some 80 year old actually agrees that that this lockdown ****e is nonsense, well then should have no restrictions as clearly this woman speaks for all vulnerable people. Most elderly people I know are still extremely cautious about covid and approporiately taking all measures they can to avoid getting a virus that kills 1 in 5 people over 80 who catch it and hospitalises a significant other portion. I'd hazard a guess that the ones who'd rather catch covid than experience temporary bout of loneliness is pretty insiginificant figure. But the few who don't think like that make as great ammunition to dismiss anybody else that thinks restrictions to protect vulnerable people are worthwhile...because if this high risk person doesnt care about covid well then wtf business do YOU have caring

I agree all older people have different views like younger high risk people. But a new important piece of information from Germany is that the death rate is decreasing for all ages including the over 80s.. Who now they say as long as hospitals not over run is 89% survival rate or 11% die of the over 80s. Much improved.

retro:electro · 16-10-2020 04:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE and data say they are not.

Data also suggests it’s not spreading in retail, restaurants, pubs and hair salons and yet here we are.
All this lockdown will do is highlight that it is the schools that are major sources

Sofa King Great · 16-10-2020 04:50PM

Whatever about NPHET, guidelines, covid etc i think this has taught us that the HSE is not fit for purpose and years of mismanagement have brought us to where we are now.

This has manifested through covid but the same capacity issue could have arisen through lots of things - terrorist attack, natural disaster, some sort of weather event.

When this is all over the mismanagement and bureaucracy needs to be tackled head on

CruelSummer · 16-10-2020 04:51PM

frank8211 wrote: »

Fine, as log as they close now. Experiment should be ended

Children badly need to get outdoors in the Summer. The weather in Ireland is terrible for large parts of the year. School isn't a place they can do that easily and especially under current restrictions when yard breaks, etc are staggered. Once the warm weather comes, children's learning winds down naturally and they want to be outside. This is where they belong during the summer, not inside missing out on their childhood summer days.

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 04:52PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

NPHET should be disbanded. We need A full time dedicated team led by a Sec Gen feeding into the senior official group and the Taoiseach. They will not only be tasked with public health advice but will also be responsible to drive (and ensure accountability) the necessary health mitigation measures needed to keep society as open as possible for the next 18 months.

Yeah fvck science.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 04:52PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Data also suggests it’s not spreading in retail, restaurants, pubs and hair salons and yet here we are.
All this lockdown will do is highlight that it is the schools that are major sources

Schools have their own special public health teams!

Christy42 · 16-10-2020 04:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well they need to actually plan out a response first. If they shutdown in the morning the same people shouting for shutdown now would be shouting that the supports aren't in place for those affected by it. Hence the ministers in charge of the countries finances need to be involved first, level 5 has absolutely huge economic impacts. Hundreds of thousands out of work overnight, not something you do without a plan

Indeed. Why would they have a plan for level 5? It was only just recently recommended by the nphet recently. I presume they went through potential plans then before deciding on level 3. I hope they didn't just ignore that recommendation without looking at what level would require. Has the economic outlook changed that much?

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 04:53PM

There will need to be some let up for Christmas

UrbanFret · 16-10-2020 04:55PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Posters who oppose L5 what do you propose as an alternative?

People doing what their supposed to. Avoid each other like the plague.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 04:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well they need to actually plan out a response first. If they shutdown in the morning the same people shouting for shutdown now would be shouting that the supports aren't in place for those affected by it. Hence the ministers in charge of the countries finances need to be involved first, level 5 has absolutely huge economic impacts. Hundreds of thousands out of work overnight, not something you do without a plan

I'd be fairly disappointed but not surprised if there wasn't a plan ready to go.

That may have been a valid excuse a fortnight ago but it's not like the deterioration of circumstances since then has been a secret.

Also I don't think I need to point that it's not loons on the internet "shouting for lockdown".

It's emergency public health telling us that needs to happen in order for them to try and keep the cabinets core priorities functioning.

We were told 2 Sundays ago about an escalation of a very serious situation, well it has escalated and is even more serious now.

Time to stop fumbling and fúcking around the place, they have had the best of 2 weeks of that, time to put in place an actual plan that will work.

No more excuses.

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 04:57PM

Prof Nolan fact checking Dr Jack Lambert. Fair play to him calling bullsh!t. The quackos will pick this up and run with it to justify getting back to their sense of normality. No fvcks given if hospitals overrun, just keep repeating mental health and live with the virus.

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317113211854913537?s=20

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1317114246350647299?s=20

16-10-2020 04:57PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Indeed. Why would they have a plan for level 5? It was only just recently recommended by the nphet recently. I presume they went through potential plans then before deciding on level 3. I hope they didn't just ignore that recommendation without looking at what level would require. Has the economic outlook changed that much?

Why would they have a plan... well there should have been an economic plan formulated to go alongside each level when they announced the living with covid plan.

If each level is possible you need a corresponding economic response ready to go. That's on the government, not NPHET.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 04:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'd be fairly disappointed but not surprised if there wasn't a plan ready to go.

That may have been a valid excuse a fortnight ago but it's not like the deterioration of circumstances since then has been a secret.

Also I don't think I need to point that it's not loons on the internet "shouting for lockdown".

It's emergency public health telling us that needs to happen in order for them to try and keep the cabinets core priorities functioning.

We were told 2 Sundays ago about an escalation of a very serious situation, well it has escalated and is even more serious now.

Time to stop fumbling and fúcking around the place, they have had the best of 2 weeks of that, time to an actual plan in place that will work.

No more excuses.

Given the budget was key concern in the last week I honestly wouldn't expect them to have any sort of plan done up, nothing to the extent that plans for hundreds of thousands back onto welfare overnight.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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