Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

quartz1 wrote: »

A lot of ordinary people who don't post online or tweet want action taken because they are nervous .
Most of these people also vote and would a Government want to fight an election with history showing they risked the health of the Nation and ignored expert advice.

And the same people in 2/3 years will vote for SF if they follow that narrow expert advice because the economy will be in a dire state with 40% youth unemployment, 15% employment, mortgage defaults, and social discord.

I just wish they would tell us what they are doing. This leaking information and faffing about without a decision is not great

ClancyPants wrote: »

Genuine question my hoop. There is no "getting on with it". I plan to take precautions as much as I can but if the virus is already out there in the community and no restrictions are in place, how long do you think before it wouldn't make it's way to me or anyone else who is being careful? Genuine question

Your hoop is of no interest to me Luv. If you stay in permanently and get your groceries delivered in bulk, I reckon even with an attitude like yours you'd survive long term.

tom1ie wrote: »

If we close schools, which let’s be honest, probably has to happen, an alternative method for educating children (including primary students) must be put in place.
If we don’t get a vaccine this cycle will just repeat on and on as opening schools/society back up will just increase numbers again.
Blended learning must be brought in to reduce class sizes at this stage.

I have no kids and no knowledge of modern education but way back over the summer I and a couple of friends were discussing how the Dept of Education should be working on a straightforward PDF-based lesson-plan/syllabus for each school year that can be centally produced and then emailed (or posted) weekly in order to keep students' learning moving forward (even as an absolute last resort).

I still don't understand why this hasn't even been discussed. We're on the brink of having to close schools again, and literally nothing has been advanced. I'd be apoplectic if I was a dad.

is_that_so wrote: »

Something with tweaks, whatever's decided. We should probably ride out these 3 weeks of Level 3 first. Level 4 would be preferable to the government because Level 5 means rolling back 2 levels and that's an awful lot longer than 6 weeks.

They're doesn't seem much different between 4 and 5 from what I can see. Level 4 closes all non essential retail too which is probably the biggest impact I can see

Biggest differences between the levels I can see are sports training is gone, as will inter county games, travel restriction from home goes from county to 5k and outdoors dining and drinking is gone.

I've a feeling the retail one is one that will annoy the most people and that goes at 4.

Winter lockdown is inevitable now I think.

Was easier during the Spring and Summer despite everything. But Winter overwhelms the hospitals every year pre Covid.

rusty cole wrote: »

If we lock down to level 5 for 6 weeks and hammer the curve into the minus bracket ok..what then?? do you think we are opening up form Xmas shopping and hot toddys for carrol singers?? the numbers would hit the roof!!!

So dangling the Save Xmas carrot is an insult to our intelligence..they wont throw any gains out the window for you, me, santa clause or a all the toy shows in montrose!!

any restrictions the public swallow now, will be shoved down our throats again at Christmas...

This death of a thousand increments...

Im constantly surprised by the amount of people who can’t think further ahead than a few weeks. It’s only been in the last few weeks that people have started talking about Christmas. It was clear from august, maybe earlier, that this wasn’t gonna be over at Christmas or even low enough to have a “normal” Christmas. Even those surprised that the “government have effectively cancelled Halloween” baffle me. What do people actually expect?

The fact is though that the narrative has moved from saving lives and the hse, to saving Christmas. And people will fall for it. Don’t get me wrong, we need to have restrictions to get this under control. But we’re definitely going to have a load of people in mid December suddenly realising it won’t be a normal Christmas and being surprised or offended that there won’t be a normal Christmas.

retro:electro wrote: »

Exactly. I would be on board with level 5 if it included the schools. A full whammy United approach for four or five weeks and then an easing into the weeks before Christmas. I’d also be on board if six weeks meant six weeks, but we know from past experience it does not when two weeks in March turned into four months.
I have no idea why The Government are ignoring the glaringly obvious elephant in the room and not addressing the school situation. The whole thing is a complete shambles.

There's no guarantee going into level 5 is going to fix the problem. We could get 6 weeks down the road and things haven't improved significantly so, logically, you'd stay in level 5 or something harsher.

Then you'll have massive discontent because the only possibility of most people adhering to this is the promise of a somewhat normal Christmas. I think a lot of discontent after the last lockdown was because we all sort of thought we'd be back to normal in a few months and that didn't happen.

There are no guarantees or horse-trading to be done with this.

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Posters who oppose L5 what do you propose as an alternative?

Make sure employers cooperate with the work form home guideline. If necessary let people report their employer and issue a fine to said employer.
Make sure all workplaces make masks a requirement as well as social distancing.
If people are supposed to be isolating and found not to issue a fine to them. You get sick payment if you have Covid so stop using work as an excuse.
Perhaps even two week midterm break for schools and introduce blended learning when they go back.
Numbers took a long time to come down during last lockdown. They already have cut out household visits just days ago and we were told this was driving the cases. Any reduction in household visits won’t be seen yet.

Also if then we need level 5 then so be it but the government and HSE better have a plan in place to keep contact tracing working so that it doesn’t get out of control again.

retro:electro wrote: »

Exactly. I would be on board with level 5 if it included the schools. A full whammy United approach for four or five weeks and then an easing into the weeks before Christmas. I’d also be on board if six weeks meant six weeks, but we know from past experience it does not when two weeks in March turned into four months.
I have no idea why The Government are ignoring the glaringly obvious elephant in the room and not addressing the school situation. The whole thing is a complete shambles.

Totally pointless if the schools remain open. Transmission may be low but is transmission nonetheless. Let’s try to squash the damned thing.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Im constantly surprised by the amount of people who can’t think further ahead than a few weeks. It’s only been in the last few weeks that people have started talking about Christmas. It was clear from august, maybe earlier, that this wasn’t gonna be over at Christmas or even low enough to have a “normal” Christmas. Even those surprised that the “government have effectively cancelled Halloween” baffle me. What do people actually expect?

The fact is though that the narrative has moved from saving lives and the hse, to saving Christmas. And people will fall for it. Don’t get me wrong, we need to have restrictions to get this under control. But we’re definitely going to have a load of people in mid December suddenly realising it won’t be a normal Christmas and being surprised or offended that there won’t be a normal Christmas.

This crap about saving Christmas is academics treating people like toddlers. Promising something they cannot deliver is short termism in extreme. And we know that they did not want to give up on the last lockdown so no doubt the thinking is shut down now and hopefully be able next May.

Full lock down now for 2->3 weeks and a planned full lock down for Jan 1->14/21 and another planned lockdown For April 1 -> 14.

We can all put it in the calendar and plan for it and then it will be summer.

antodeco wrote: »

Problem is, during the spring/summer people gathered outside. Now people will gather indoors multiplying the affect of its contagiousness

Well they are total idiots. And there is no way of stopping that kind of idiotic behaviour either. Feck them. They are the cause of the spike. Sick of it now.

Sorry for the rant :P