Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Necro · 16-10-2020 01:47PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

The tracing app is just a load of modern fluff. All sounds great but at the end of the day does no good.

It's actually causing more problems and confusion than it seems to be worth imo.

In my case, some work colleagues got notified via the app that they were in close contact with someone who had a positive diagnosis of Covid (ie, me).

They all did as advised and self isolated and booked in for Covid testing.

Yet a week later, when the contact tracers finally got around to ringing me and contacting my place of employment my manager was informed nobody was considered a close contact due to protocols in place at work.

So... which is it?

seamus · 16-10-2020 01:48PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess this is completely made up.

I'd say otherwise. A majority of the elderly people I know have said they're getting to the end of their tether with this thing and have no interest in spending 12 months cowering inside their homes when they don't even know if they have 12 months left in them.

AlphaDelta1 · 16-10-2020 01:48PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=20

Looks like Fine Gael are blaming NPHET for leaking to the media. He has also disabled replied to said tweet

Total opposite imo. Last nights briefing they made it very clear they weren't saying anything about their meeting, and RTE article states that the government sources confirmed the info.

Great, politicians on a ego stroking solo run. Just what we need right now. :rolleyes:

jill_valentine · 16-10-2020 01:48PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

The tracing app is just a load of modern fluff. All sounds great but at the end of the day does no good.

Uptake was good at first and it's very well designed.

People got out of the habit of it when the battery issue cropped up and lasted for days, and the news it was resolved was far more muted than the conversation it had arisen to start with.

Very hard to claw those users back now, engagement is very easily lost once it's interrupted.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 01:49PM

amadangomor wrote: »

A lot of people won't admit it but the Health service unions are too powerful and won't change working practices.

No government has the balls to take them on as they will be seen as the big bad government being mean to the nurses and Mary with her stand for the nurses yokie on Facebook will vote for the Shinners.

It has nothing to do with working practices. The problem is that not enough of the money in the healthcare budget goes on actual healthcare. There's also too much parish pump interference in the HSE.

Hurrache · 16-10-2020 01:50PM

rob316 wrote: »

Send Holohan packing, he has created all this hysteria.

So you're saying he released Covid-19 into the world?

ACitizenErased · 16-10-2020 01:50PM

seamus wrote: »

I'd say otherwise. A majority of the elderly people I know have said they're getting to the end of their tether with this thing and have no interest in spending 12 months cowering inside their homes when they don't even know if they have 12 months left in them.

My 86 year old grandmother just rang me there, completely freaking out about level 5.

AlphaDelta1 · 16-10-2020 01:50PM

seamus wrote: »

I'd say otherwise. A majority of the elderly people I know have said they're getting to the end of their tether with this thing and have no interest in spending 12 months cowering inside their homes when they don't even know if they have 12 months left in them.

I'm going by the posters posting history. 90% of his/her posts are in the relaxation of restrictions thread bordering on hysterical conspiracy theory nonsense.

Necro · 16-10-2020 01:51PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Uptake was good at first and it's very well designed.

People got out of the habit of it when the battery issue cropped up and lasted for days, and the news it was resolved was far more muted than the conversation it had arisen to start with.

Very hard to claw those users back now, engagement is very easily lost once it's interrupted.

It's good for data alright, though they seem to always be a minimum of a day to two days behind in the case numbers per county.

jill_valentine · 16-10-2020 01:51PM

Necro wrote: »

It's actually causing more problems and confusion than it seems to be worth imo.

In my case, some work colleagues got notified via the app that they were in close contact with someone who had a positive diagnosis of Covid (ie, me).

They all did as advised and self isolated and booked in for Covid testing.

Yet a week later, when the contact tracers finally got around to ringing me and contacting my place of employment my manager was informed nobody was considered a close contact due to protocols in place at work.

So... which is it?

Sounds like the issue here is the confused advice about workplaces vs the reality the app is designed around tbh.

In the real world, they were all close contacts with you, and the app is designed around that proximity exposure. But that's inconvenient for business, so we all have to pretend an empty desk or a sanitiser station here or there magically trumps that. Carry on everyone, nothing to see here.

fly_agaric · 16-10-2020 01:51PM

Necro wrote: »

The App currently has only 1.3 million active users, with 2.08 million downloads.

Just like everything presently - the App is an advisory, what you're talking about would take far too much effort and cost to enforce, mandatory installation of an App so people would self-police.

It's a fine idea in theory, but in practice it's a little different unfortunately.

Yes, and as well as being voluntary at every stage (right up to the app warning that you may be a close contact of a positive case) the app and Exposure Notification protocol underlying it were also explicity built to preserve privacy of users (from the state & each other) as far as possible.

Gathering a load of detail on close contacts is contrary to that.

It was not going to fly in Western countries, though suppose as desperation with the situation increases it may at some point. It is the core dilemma with trying to control the virus, democratic freedoms & relying on people to behave responsibly vs enforcement of unpleasant and illiberal measures.

rob316 · 16-10-2020 01:51PM

Hurrache wrote: »

So you're saying he released Covid-19 into the world?

No but NPHET has become a **** show, minute one since he returned.

Mushy · 16-10-2020 01:52PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Tony has an awful hard on for Level 5 doesnt he.

Alan partridge going for a second series. "Do I have a level 5? Do I have a level 5?"

Roots 2020 · 16-10-2020 01:52PM

It looks practically certain we'll have 6 weeks of level 5. Now we all have differing opinions on whether it is needed.

It's really worrying from so many angles. I'd be very worried about mental health and suicides. 29 March until around the 10th of June was an unusually sunny dry spell. We'll have poor weather now and low sunlight hours per day.

I want to wish everyone well and hope anyone suffering in the next few months ring the various groups and helplines.

Cluedo Monopoly · 16-10-2020 01:53PM

amadangomor wrote: »

A lot of people won't admit it but the Health service unions are too powerful and won't change working practices.

No government has the balls to take them on as they will be seen as the big bad government being mean to the nurses and Mary with her stand for the nurses yokie on Facebook will vote for the Shinners.

There is huge waste within the HSE. Criminal waste. And I am not talking about front line workers here.

Every public servant in the country is getting a 2% payrise in October. You wont hear that mentioned much.

Necro · 16-10-2020 01:53PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I think ordinary people are completely fed up of the FF+FG Coalition of Chaos and NPHET.

The communications from both the government and NPHET have been an unmitigated disaster over the past 3 months.

It will lead to lots of non-compliance during 'lockdown'.

I don't think I can remember a government with so few capable politicians in my lifetime. And that's not to say the rest of the Dail has any better.

I don't agree on NPHET, I think they've done their best in a very difficult time.

Totally agree on the government though, their communication even between Cabinet members appears to be appalling.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 01:53PM

Necro wrote: »

It's actually causing more problems and confusion than it seems to be worth imo.

In my case, some work colleagues got notified via the app that they were in close contact with someone who had a positive diagnosis of Covid (ie, me).

They all did as advised and self isolated and booked in for Covid testing.

Yet a week later, when the contact tracers finally got around to ringing me and contacting my place of employment my manager was informed nobody was considered a close contact due to protocols in place at work.

So... which is it?

It is a very blunt tool, the effectiveness of which was not properly thought through. Just one more thing to throw on the waste pile that accounts for far too much of the health care budget.

mloc123 · 16-10-2020 01:54PM

rob316 wrote: »

No but NPHET has become a **** show, minute one since he returned.

Imagine being left in charge for a few months, then your boss comes back and says.. what the **** have you being doing while I was away... in the most public way possible

Cluedo Monopoly · 16-10-2020 01:55PM

Necro wrote: »

I don't agree on NPHET, I think they've done their best in a very difficult time.

Totally agree on the government though, their communication even between Cabinet members appears to be appalling.

NPHET should not be leaking information or flying Level 5 kites. The coalition of chaos already do enough of that.

amadangomor · 16-10-2020 01:55PM

polesheep wrote: »

It has nothing to do with working practices. The problem is that not enough of the money in the healthcare budget goes on actual healthcare. There's also too much parish pump interference in the HSE.

Agree with your admin point but working practices are a factor.

For a start we should be using the facilities more. 24 hour a day operation to get waiting lists down. No point ploughing money into facilities and expensive equipment if it's only being used Mon- Fri 9 to 5.

Doctors who get their medical degrees here and paid for at taxpayers should have to stay here for a minimum amount of time to pay back this investment.

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 01:55PM

NPHET should go on PUP then their salaries used to pay towards level 5

16-10-2020 01:56PM

we have a family friend who had her father in a care home at lockdown.
She could not see him at all for months and then when she finally did, it was limited.

In advance of this level 5 crack, she's taken him into her won care at the family home...you know what she told us??? My father and I are more concerned with his Quality of life, not the quantity he has left...

Bravo I said, and may there by many like her! old people are petrified once more.

Hurrache · 16-10-2020 01:56PM

rob316 wrote: »

No but NPHET has become a **** show, minute one since he returned.

They haven't. They're doing their job, very straightforward.

Necro · 16-10-2020 01:56PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Sounds like the issue here is the confused advice about workplaces vs the reality the app is designed around tbh.

In the real world, they were all close contacts with you, and the app is designed around that proximity exposure. But that's inconvenient for business, so we all have to pretend an empty desk or a sanitiser station here or there magically trumps that. Carry on everyone, nothing to see here.

Yeah that's exactly it imo, that and the workplace contact tracing is probably horribly complicated and they just don't have the resources at present.

Which smells terribly typical of the HSE.

shinzon · 16-10-2020 01:57PM

Why does Varadkar keep going on about an exit strategy if we go to level 5 the only exit strategy is to go back down a level or two when the numbers stabilise the same as every other level or is it simply there's no more levels beyond 5 if it doesn't work

Shin

duffman13 · 16-10-2020 01:57PM

Alan Farrell is some spanner with that tweet. Id doubt the leak came from NPHET and if it did why wait till this afternoon. Hoolahan went out of his way to say nothing! At the very best he's just created more unneeded animosity between NPHET and the government. They need to be working together not creating a divide.

Blanco100 · 16-10-2020 01:58PM

Its clearly being leaked by some loud mouthed back bench TDs (FF and FG) who heard it on the grapevine. The same lads who are only too happy to see the government flounder due to the fact they were not made a junior minister etc....

Its definitely TDs briefing the press

polesheep · 16-10-2020 01:59PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Agree with your admin point but working practices are a factor.

For a start we should be using the facilities more. 24 hour a day operation to get waiting lists down. No point ploughing money into facilities and expensive equipment if it's only being used Mon- Fri 9 to 5.

Doctors who get their medical degrees here and paid for at taxpayers should have to stay here for a minimum amount of time to pay back this investment.

It would be great to keep facilities going 24 hours a day, but that requires more staff.

You couldn't expect that of doctors if it's not applied to every graduate.

Necro · 16-10-2020 01:59PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

NPHET should not be leaking information or flying Level 5 kites. The coalition of chaos already do enough of that.

What makes you so sure it's NPHET leaking these Level 5 advisories? I'd be more inclined to think they deliver their recommendations, and the usual government spin merchants leak to the press to gauge public opinion. That's how politics works after all, gauge public opinion then act accordingly.

That they're recommending Level 5 not two weeks after doing it before when case numbers were lower should not really come as a surprise to anyone by the way.

weldoninhio · 16-10-2020 02:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

Oh dear, that will not go down well.

He's got a neck like a jockeys you know whats, so I doubt he cares.

This is a man who brought pictures from a different car crash to court for a fraudulent compo claim and brazened it out when the judge called him out on it.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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