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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #3272
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I was talking to an elderly woman today, in her 80s, who told me she's had enough of the lockdowns. A lot of people will see level 5 as being optional. If you want to lock yourself in your house, fair enough. But most people will just get on with their lives.

    I'd hazard a guess this is completely made up.


  • #3273
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I was talking to an elderly woman today, in her 80s, who told me she's had enough of the lockdowns. A lot of people will see level 5 as being optional. If you want to lock yourself in your house, fair enough. But most people will just get on with their lives.

    this is it, i can see this coming down the tracks where restrictions are brought in yet people will go and do whatever they want if it suits. im seriously getting to that mindset if level 5 comes in. if ui want to shop ill go north if i want to excercise outside 5km i will. most people i know are of the same mind.

    this is why there is no buy in to the levels, restrictions are brought in but they dont target what NPHET is telling us is the cause. its been like that since june.

    clusters in meat plants, close restaurants

    clusters from transmissions at home close retail.

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  • #3274
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    440Hertz wrote: »
    What I don’t get is why the tracing can’t be a lot more self-driven and automated. Most people don’t want to spread this, other than a few psychos, and frankly high can’t do much about them anyway.

    If we extended the COVID-19 app, so if you get a diagnosis you could simply log in and go through your own track and trace. Figure out yourself who you’d been in contact with over say the last 5 day window. Put their phone numbers in & the app would simply alert them to go get a test.

    I think most people would be diligent enough to do that.

    The app could maintain the layer of privacy protection, much like you don’t know someone’s swiped you on Tinder.

    Beyond that, the tracking teams could focus on more complicated cases and people who aren’t tech savvy.
    It’s curious how little mention there is now of the App which was touted as a game changer when it was launched.
    In all the advertising that the HSE is doing telling us all the things we are supposed to be doing and not doing, I don’t hear any instruction or advice to download the App.
    I wonder why; could it possibly be that it has proved to be virtually useless? The track record of the HSE and technology is not inspiring.


  • #3275
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Can't we just invade them?

    Wouldn't that be easier?

    Even for a joke , that's a pretty stupid one to make.


  • #3276
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    pauldry wrote: »
    If Level 5 is brought in EVERY business should open up fully in protest.

    Its their livelihoods.

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  • #3277
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ednwireland wrote: »
    this is it, i can see this coming down the tracks where restrictions are brought in yet people will go and do whatever they want if it suits. im seriously getting to that mindset if level 5 comes in. if ui want to shop ill go north if i want to excercise outside 5km i will. most people i know are of the same mind.

    this is why there is no buy in to the levels, restrictions are brought in but they dont target what NPHET is telling us is the cause. its been like that since june.

    clusters in meat plants, close restaurants

    clusters from transmissions at home close retail.

    Clusters from schools , close everything except the schools.


  • #3278
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,817 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    IMO there is no chance that a publicised/leaked NPHET recommendation for level 5 will be rejected this time. What will likely happen is we'll go to Level 5 but for 3 weeks and then review (aka hope for the best) rather than for 6 weeks. This would allow both NPHET and the gov to save face. Basically a kite flying and haggling approach.

    There will be all sorts of games and arse covering exercises going on here.

    This letter from NPHET could have been agreed in advance with the government. Recommend 6 weeks @ Level 5 but with the understanding that it will be less than that. Leak the recommendation to the media who will lap it up. Then be seen to compromise.


  • #3279
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess this is completely made up.

    She was born in the 80s?


  • #3280
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=20

    Looks like Fine Gael are blaming NPHET for leaking to the media. He has also disabled replied to said tweet

    Total opposite imo. Last nights briefing they made it very clear they weren't saying anything about their meeting, and RTE article states that the government sources confirmed the info.

    Hollohan was very, very, very sure in the press conference last night not to even hint at what they had recommended. He was so tight lipped it was obvious they were making a statement that the leaks were not from their end.


  • #3281
    Jenna James
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Jenna James


    If we go into level 5 is it likely to be as soon as tonight?


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  • #3282
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    Prob be Sunday night if implemented


  • #3283
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    Necro wrote: »
    The App currently has only 1.3 million active users, with 2.08 million downloads.

    Just like everything presently - the App is an advisory, what you're talking about would take far too much effort and cost to enforce, mandatory installation of an App so people would self-police.

    It's a fine idea in theory, but in practice it's a little different unfortunately.

    It wouldn’t need enforcement at all. You do a proper communication campaign. You explain the state isn’t going to enforce this, you’re being asked to be a grown up and help out and the tools are being made available to the public to use.

    If you get a positive test, you get texted an activation code and the rest is up to you.

    If people don’t want to do it or are going to refuse to be helpful, there’s not much we can do other than conclude we are a society of selfish, paranoid, asshats.

    If you want to keep society, businesses, schools, sports, travel etc etc working to some degree of normality, we are going to have to work together.


  • #3284
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess this is completely made up.

    I wouldn't.

    My mam is 88 years old and in good health, driving etc and She said she doesn't want to live the rest of her life cocooning. She's going to drive to shop etc while adhereing to social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing and all the guidelines.


  • #3285
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    IMO there is no chance that a publicised/leaked NPHET recommendation for level 5 will be rejected this time. What will likely happen is we'll go to Level 5 but for 3 weeks and then review (aka hope for the best) rather than for 6 weeks. This would allow both NPHET and the gov to save face. Basically a kite flying and haggling approach.

    There will be all sorts of games and arse covering exercises going on here.

    This letter from NPHET could have been agreed in advance with the government. Recommend 6 weeks @ Level 5 but with the understanding that it will be less than that. Leak the recommendation to the media who will lap it up. Then be seen to compromise.

    Unless they close the schools and third level institutions it's a waste of time


  • #3286
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,732 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=20

    Looks like Fine Gael are blaming NPHET for leaking to the media. He has also disabled replied to said tweet

    Total opposite imo. Last nights briefing they made it very clear they weren't saying anything about their meeting, and RTE article states that the government sources confirmed the info.

    Send Holohan packing, he has created all this hysteria.


  • #3287
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=20

    Looks like Fine Gael are blaming NPHET for leaking to the media. He has also disabled replied to said tweet

    Total opposite imo. Last nights briefing they made it very clear they weren't saying anything about their meeting, and RTE article states that the government sources confirmed the info.

    Oh dear, that will not go down well.


  • #3288
    seamusk84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    So what’s craic, how many days until such a recommendation would go through the various phases and be enacted?


  • #3289
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Get off your phone if you are on yard duty :)

    I wasn't, having lunch in my car as its the only place i feel safe tbh


  • #3290
    trixi001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭trixi001


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The DUP follows the U.K. measures not the Irish ones

    It probably would if it could, but it isn't and there is at least some acknowledgment of the border (FWIW - The DUP do not have a majority at Stormont)

    The North has it's own measures which aren't a replica of Britain or the South

    In England - practically everything reopened in July - and even in the highest tier in England, restaurants are staying open for sustantial meals. Wet pubs opened in September in the North

    Things reopened again in the North, at practically the same time as the South (a few days later in most cases)

    The North is in a Circuit Breaker now - England isn't - even the localised tier 3 "lockdowns" aren't as strict as the North's Circuit Breaker.

    Schools in NI closures were announced a few days before the UK (and most schools were already closed voluntarily as they took extended St Patricks Day breaks)

    It is really only in terms of International Travel, yes, the North does follow the UK, but that is due to complications - the FCO advice and travel insurance mainly, and the self isolation following trips abroad is mandatory in the North, unlike the south, where it is mandatory to fill in the form but not necessarily self isolate.


  • #3291
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    The tracing app is just a load of modern fluff. All sounds great but at the end of the day does no good.


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  • #3292
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,609 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Jenna James wrote: »
    If we go into level 5 is it likely to be as soon as tonight?

    No

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #3293
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=20

    Looks like Fine Gael are blaming NPHET for leaking to the media. He has also disabled replied to said tweet

    Total opposite imo. Last nights briefing they made it very clear they weren't saying anything about their meeting, and RTE article states that the government sources confirmed the info.

    Fair fücks to him for calling out those technocrats


  • #3294
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The same HSE that we are told is underfunded.

    It's some joke.

    A lot of people won't admit it but the Health service unions are too powerful and won't change working practices.

    No government has the balls to take them on as they will be seen as the big bad government being mean to the nurses and Mary with her stand for the nurses yokie on Facebook will vote for the Shinners.


  • #3295
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,586 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Boggles wrote: »
    Oh dear, that will not go down well.
    I wouldn't trust anything Alan Farrell says.
    Him and his dodgy personal injury claims can feck right off.


  • #3296
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Seamai wrote: »
    Never thought I'd find myself singing from the same hymn sheet as someone from the DUP but he's probably right. Instead of waiting for an all island approach which might never happen we need to be looking after our own back yard even if that means stricter border controls as long as COVID-19 is a problem.

    If Dublin airport was padlocked you would have had a fraction of cases in the North & South, it would probably have been manageable.

    It’s links links to Europe is definitely a vector.

    Case growth coincided with increased travel in Europe particularly at the end of August.


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  • #3297
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I wasn't, having lunch in my car as its the only place i feel safe tbh

    Just wanted to say thanks for your and your colleagues efforts. I wouldn't do it for diamonds myself and i think it's incredibly unfair to put teachers through what is basically a complete experiment.


  • #3298
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    I wouldn't.

    My mam is 88 years old and in good health, driving etc and She said she doesn't want to live the rest of her life cocooning. She's going to drive to shop etc while adhereing to social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing and all the guidelines.

    That's her choice and she should be able to make it while as you say taking precautions.


  • #3299
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    So what’s craic, how many days until such a recommendation would go through the various phases and be enacted?

    At 6% growth if it continues will be at 1300 cases a day in a week plus missed cases.

    I imagine Friday to coincide with midterm.


  • #3300
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    Everything is so chaotic.

    Mad burst from people over the next few days to meet, go to outlets that will close etc. More interaction caused by leaking of info, lack of planning. NPHET and government not acting as one.


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  • #3301
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,609 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think ordinary people are completely fed up of the FF+FG Coalition of Chaos and NPHET.

    The communications from both the government and NPHET have been an unmitigated disaster over the past 3 months.

    It will lead to lots of non-compliance during 'lockdown'.

    I don't think I can remember a government with so few capable politicians in my lifetime. And that's not to say the rest of the Dail has any better.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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