Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Boggles · 16-10-2020 12:29PM

eggy81 wrote: »

Why would we do that.

They are more craic!

Busi_Girl08 · 16-10-2020 12:29PM

Necro wrote: »

I know this has been said repeatedly but without actually enforcing the restrictions as per the levels it isn't going to make any feasible difference.

Anyone that has been following the guidelines isn't the problem, they will continue to do so - crack down on those openly flouting the restrictions and maybe just maybe we can get this under control.

I remember earlier in the year (April or May) some lad rang Joe Duffy giving out because his Covid payment was stopped after he flew to Glasgow to see his girlfriend.

Brought a smile to my face.

If someone can't follow the rules the Government set out and the majority of us follow, then the Government (we) can stop paying them.

Wombatman · 16-10-2020 12:30PM

Can't understand why closing schools is off the table. Has the be the number 1 vector for the spread of any virus.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-archive-8a1aab96eccc7e1a2e7df2fa3ba08986

Ger Roe · 16-10-2020 12:30PM

eggy81 wrote: »

Why would we do that.

Because they have a better relationship with the government?

AlphaDelta1 · 16-10-2020 12:30PM

Longing wrote: »

People in here giving out about NPHET recommendations for the coming weeks is laughable. Tony and NPHET are trying to save your life simple has that. No wonder this country is going down to this virus when you have the likes and mind sided people who only think of number 1.

This virus has really brought home the selfishness of many here. Look at how massive populations like Vietnam or Japan have come together for the good of all and then look at the sickening attitude displayed by granted a minority here but a sizeable minority at that towards this emergency.

Pitch n Putt · 16-10-2020 12:31PM

Lets hope government see sense and don’t go to level 5.

NPHET have too much of a vested interest in this to be allowed to dictate what should happen.

Most of the board of NPHET are HSE employees who’s main objective is to protect the hospitals and the health service.

Some of those board members contribute to the reason that we have an inept health service in the first place.

Yoyo lockdowns are a load of sh1te.

Living with Covid was the plan so let’s get the hell on with it....

BringBackMick · 16-10-2020 12:31PM

It is easy for NPHET to give level 5 guidance....itll be the way from now, we will have 2 cases a day in April and theyll be recommending we stay at level 3 for another few weeks.

H8GHOTI · 16-10-2020 12:31PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

There are clusters popping up in workplaces though, anecdotally I know a few around Cork. It's moreso staff clusters

Staff clusters in retail? So maybe picking it up in offices or canteens? If customers aren’t being affected.

I’d like to see the data. Shops were open for 3 months or so with no spike in cases so don’t see them as a problem. I don’t think the benefit in closing them is worth the negative impact it’ll have.

Necro · 16-10-2020 12:31PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I remember earlier in the year (April or May) some lad rang Joe Duffy giving out because his Covid payment was stopped after he flew to Glasgow to see his girlfriend.

Brought a smile to my face.

If someone can't follow the rules the Government set out and the majority of us follow, then the Government (we) can stop paying them.

I know. I remember the ridiculous hullaballoo over stopping payments for people going on holiday a few months back.

Mental when you think of it paying people to go abroad during a pandemic.

Strumms · 16-10-2020 12:31PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

The obsession with level 5 is obscene

You want them to shut the shops but people still bring their kids to school and childcare etc?

It is a load of crap.

We need to suck it up and live with covid not shutdown our country for 5 weeks , what a **** show this is

This government don’t wish to be remembered for forcing the hands of parents to, erm, parent.

Tandey · 16-10-2020 12:32PM

I’m having a relapse...

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 16-10-2020 12:32PM

Necro wrote: »

How? We don't have the trained staff for that many ICU beds - it isn't beds that are the problem

Well pay them whatever they want to get trained staff in. We can't be doing this lockdown, non-lockdown forever. Once, fine. Not indefinitely.

Away With The Fairies · 16-10-2020 12:33PM

Pretzill wrote: »

That's it. I can't believe some havent grasped that yet - it's not just about Covid it's about the potential for a crumbling health system - people passing from illness they otherwise could survive etc.

And some ICU units already full.

ACitizenErased · 16-10-2020 12:34PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And some ICU units already full.

Which isn't new. There's 1 COVID patient in the CUH ICU and it's full. Means there's 19 others who aren't COVID patients.
That's not because of COVID, that's because of underinvestment.

JDxtra · 16-10-2020 12:34PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Can't understand why closing schools is off the table. Has the be the number 1 vector for the spread of any virus.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-archive-8a1aab96eccc7e1a2e7df2fa3ba08986

It is not the number one vector. Keeping the schools open allows parents to continue working.

Goldrickssan · 16-10-2020 12:34PM

This is hurting my mind. How much more do we have to give? Is it worth it?

speckle · 16-10-2020 12:34PM

Tandey wrote: »

I’m having a relapse...

metaphorically or medically?

Away With The Fairies · 16-10-2020 12:35PM

MattS1 wrote: »

Well pay them whatever they want to get trained staff in. We can't be doing this lockdown, non-lockdown forever. Once, fine. Not indefinitely.

Didn't they want healthcare staff to come home from abroad earlier in the year? Surely some of them would be trained in ICU care?

owlbethere · 16-10-2020 12:35PM

440Hertz wrote: »

That really makes no sense. If transmission has stopped, the virus can’t survive for more than a few weeks.

The big issue I would see is if we do enter another attempt to lock down, we need to start testing at airports and ports.

We cannot waste people’s time with another lockdown, clear the virus and then allow it straight back in again, which is exactly what we did this summer.

The airport testing & quarantine is extremely important and I don’t know why we have dragged our feet on it for all these months.

You don’t have to stop travel. You have to stop viruses with pre departure screening or if you arrive untested, quarantine & test.

Airport testing will be useless in Ireland considering there's no isolation or quarantine facilities and our government wasn't interested in bringing them facilities in. What happens if they find positives at the airport? Tell the positives to go about their plans and go home and self isolate, forgetting that these people will need to travel home and maybe use public transport and maybe stop at a shop for fresh groceries. Testing will be fairly useless at airports if there's no quarantine to go with it.

I'm livid with our government. We were in a fantastic position after our lockdown and they blew it. Of course the virus can't be eradicated but it could have been slowed down. The authorities could have picked up on cases at the airport before they were leaked down into communities.

TonyMaloney · 16-10-2020 12:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

Here, here.

Replace them with the Vintners.

Level 1

Schools closed, universities open.
24hr hour pubs, restaurants shut unless they sell really, really salty food.
Off-licences closed permanently.

eggy81 · 16-10-2020 12:35PM

titan18 wrote: »

They can't do much else. All they can do suggest. They can't create further hospital capacity. That's down to the government, and then even if they suggest penalising people breaking the rules, the Gardai go no we dont want that power

Post was only semi serious. Obviously there's got to be more to it than just yelling increase restrictions at every opportunity. The frustration for me is that it is possible to have a semblance of normal life while living with this until its figured out but some people don't want to take the measures to ensure that we can do that. There are no deterrents or real repercussions for blatant flouting of the rules.
Cant see why a modest enough fine for first time offenders can't be introduced. Between 50 and 100 euro. I think once you've been fined most would bring their behaviour in line. Shake ya into copping on a bit.

IrishHomer · 16-10-2020 12:36PM

GAA got away with murder!

Such a joke they finished most major county finals then they made out they were great for shutting down

SleetAndSnow · 16-10-2020 12:36PM

Vested interest? Are people serious? It's literally their job. "PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY TEAM" why wouldn't they have a vested interest in it? What do you want them to do say level 1 and let it rip through everybody? Totally defeats the entire point of the public health part

This recommendation will go to the Cabinet sub-committee who will then decide the ECONOMIC IMPACT as they were formed by the government to do and then they will pass their recommendation onto the actual cabinet who will decide.

One team decides health, one decides economic impact, cabinet decides then. It really, really, really is not that hard to understand

This whole level 5 is happening because people just won't follow the restrictions. Know of plenty of training teams in Cork who were 40+ people training at once, totally ignoring the 15 people rule and other such examples. Follow the rules and stuff can stay open

Away With The Fairies · 16-10-2020 12:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Which isn't new. There's 1 COVID patient in the CUH ICU and it's full. Means there's 19 others who aren't COVID patients.
That's not because of COVID, that's because of underinvestment.

We won't be able to cope with increasing covid cases.

Hulk Hands · 16-10-2020 12:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Open letter from Pfizer chairman, third week in November a big week for the vaccine with submission for emergency approval to follow soon after

https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/an_open_letter_from_pfizer_chairman_and_ceo_albert_bourla

It's a bit mad how positive Vaccine news gets largely ignored by the "lock everything up" brigade. Considering their strategy is to keep everything locked down until a vaccine comes, you'd think they'd be waiting with bated breath for any positive vaccine news. Very strange

verizon · 16-10-2020 12:37PM

What I don't understand is this trickle of restrictions to then big bang restrictions. The public are notified of new restrictions that are set for a timeframe. We plan to cope and try and get information on what our businesses need to do to be able to operate but then get hit with something else at the end of the week.

NPHET come across as having zero organisation and will speak loudly without consequence because they in theory can be never wrong. It will always be our fault.

JDxtra · 16-10-2020 12:37PM

Strumms wrote: »

This government don’t wish to be remembered for forcing the hands of parents to, erm, parent.

The first lockdown was a nightmare for working parents juggling learning/parenting/work.

ACitizenErased · 16-10-2020 12:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We won't be able to cope with increasing covid cases.

If you take out the COVID case though it'll still be full.

16-10-2020 12:38PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

It's a bit mad how positive Vaccine news gets largely ignored by the "lock everything up" brigade. Considering their strategy is to keep everything locked down until a vaccine comes, you'd think they'd be waiting with bated breath for any positive vaccine news. Very strange

The vaccine news is great. Don't know what you are getting at.

ACitizenErased · 16-10-2020 12:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The vaccine news is great. Don't know what you are getting at.

Majority on here ignore it.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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