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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #3032
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So there’s another push to go level 5 but can NPHET guarantee that that will actually work ? It’s one thing asking us to lockdown but is there any certainty(in as much as they can be certain) that it will do what it’s supposed to do ?

    In as much as they can be certain, yes, it will lower down the numbers contracting the virus. It will see less people going outside of the home and interacting which will lead to less spread. Presuming a decent level of compliance obviously

    Now there are other factors involved such as jobs, mental health etc. But remember the more the hospitals are busy with this the less resources they have to deal with everything else.


  • #3033
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Oh yeah I'm 100% argeeing with you.

    Imagine being a strong, grown adult and being such a pussy that you complain about having to wear a cloth over your mouth lol.


    What a condescending post.


  • #3034
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    The obsession with level 5 is obscene

    You want them to shut the shops but people still bring their kids to school and childcare etc?

    It is a load of crap.

    We need to suck it up and live with covid not shutdown our country for 5 weeks , what a **** show this is

    It is not possible when cases get so high.
    In a few weeks majority of people will have no access to healthcare. Many healthcare workers will be out of work having to isolate.

    Not all about Covid.


  • #3035
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    landofthetree wrote: »
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    Most restrictions in the whole of Europe.

    Because ...... Lowest ICU capacity in the whole of Europe.


  • #3036
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its almost as if the government went to level 5 nphet would recommend us go to level 6. They always want to go one step further.

    And I'll say the same as i did last Monday week, its not right that this information is leaked before the government have discussed it.


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  • #3037
    H8GHOTI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    innuendo141 wrote: »
    Some companies like where I am are just ignoring what was said this week. We can work from home, but absolute silence on this for the past couple of months.

    I like WFH. Even in July/August, I didn’t go back to the office. Others can’t stand it for various reasons, couldn’t wait to get back.
    Had a zoom call this week & good few I could see were in the office. No enforcement.

    Even through April & May there were people in there that didn’t have to be. A lot of them have their own office & interaction with other staff would be low, so the risk is low. But multiple that out over the whole country, risk increases. I even have a letter that says I’m an essential worker and I can travel to sites in other counties. I can’t even remember pre-covid when I would have needed to travel.


  • #3038
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So there’s another push to go level 5 but can NPHET guarantee that that will actually work ? It’s one thing asking us to lockdown but is there any certainty(in as much as they can be certain) that it will do what it’s supposed to do ?

    The only way out is to get us closer to the release date of the vaccine. 3 possible frontrunners available in the next couple of months, several more next year. I've said it a couple of weeks back and my belief is stronger now. Borrow the 20-30 billion now, lockdown & keep people/businesses afloat with PUP. Assess the situation in the new year.
    Every country will have many years to pay off this pandemic loan when this is over. There may even be global writedowns. It's a once in a generation pandemic we need to act on now and worry about the payment over a longer period.


  • #3039
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    Dr. Henry of the HSE now saying he is deeply concerned about the hospitals getting over run with cases in the coming weeks.


  • #3040
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    The obsession with level 5 is obscene

    You want them to shut the shops but people still bring their kids to school and childcare etc?

    It is a load of crap.

    We need to suck it up and live with covid not shutdown our country for 5 weeks , what a **** show this is

    I agree with you that we need to suck it up but it's not really a ****show from the point of view that the decision makers and their advisors have different opinions on how it should be handled. That's healthy in my view, means different views are getting aired and the government are making a decision from a full set of options rather than there being a consensus and no dissenting voices.

    Fact remains though, there is no right answer to this question. Just a whole load of wrong answers and they have to choose the least wrong one.


  • #3041
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 502 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Please explain it to me in simple terms. Who released info that NPHET recommended Level 5 for six weeks? I thought it was abundantly clear since the Level 5 leak recently that the only way we would know all or part of what NPHET had recommended to Gov when the Gov announced the parts of the recommendations that it was accepting and implementing.


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  • #3042
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mollser wrote: »
    I don't believe the economic destruction of L5 is needed.

    I think the curfew option is worth looking at - everyone home by 9pm and give the cops power to fine, on the spot, anyone not at home without valid reason (essential service etc).

    That there should cull parties.

    Otherwise proper general enforcement powers.

    Why have we got such a sizeable minority of an immature populace I'll never know.

    NPHET can't bring in compulsory fines, it's the government's/ minority of people/ relaxation fanatics that is causing the rise in cases.

    NPHET is only advising on the public health aspect which i am in complete agreement with.


  • #3043
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    It's almost funny watching people here lap up the announcement to say it's only 6 weeks, or what we need is 4-6 weeks to 'save' Christmas.

    Firstly this notion of saving Christmas is bizarre. To save Christmas you're essentially sacrificing half of October, November and half of December. And probably all of January with the consequences. Why should we sacrifice at least 3 months of the year so people can have a piss up? Why can't we have ways to live with it rather than having a great time for a few weeks, by sacrificing a couple of months?

    Secondly, who here actually believes it will be 6 weeks? History says otherwise. Trust is completely gone. Wonder who leaked the letter this time, I'm sure its all governments fault..


  • #3044
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    how long is necessary then, member of nphet?

    reports the Government will "take the weekend to consider the recommendations"

    It's not necessary at all. We are already basically in level 5 anyway. The death rate is incredibly low and a balance is far more important. Obviously a handful of people are taking the piss with this and I'm not going to stop doing the most basic things for those gob****es having parties etc


  • #3045
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    The obsession with level 5 is obscene

    You want them to shut the shops but people still bring their kids to school and childcare etc?

    It is a load of crap.

    We need to suck it up and live with covid not shutdown our country for 5 weeks , what a **** show this is

    We can’t suck it up.people are dying. Cases are rising, out more health service will reach capacity

    Those FACTS can’t be just ‘sucked up’


  • #3046
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    MattS1 wrote: »
    It's not necessary at all. We are already basically in level 5 anyway. The death rate is incredibly low and a balance is far more important. Obviously a handful of people are taking the piss with this and I'm not going to stop doing the most basic things for those gob****es having parties etc

    A balance that fills up our ICUS in October? Prior to the flu outbreak

    That’s not feasible


  • #3047
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    MD1990 wrote: »
    It is not possible when cases get so high.
    In a few weeks majority of people will have no access to healthcare. Many healthcare workers will be out of work having to isolate.

    Not all about Covid.

    That's it. I can't believe some havent grasped that yet - it's not just about Covid it's about the potential for a crumbling health system - people passing from illness they otherwise could survive etc.


  • #3048
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    if you run a minimalist ICU set up this is what happens, promising another 100 beds or whatever it was now is classic horse bolted nonsense they should be been adding capacity through the summer regardless of it looking like "wasted money". The post summer surge was always destined to happen


  • #3049
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its almost as if the government went to level 5 nphet would recommend us go to level 6. They always want to go one step further.

    NPHET get their remit from the government.

    3 Core priorities.

    1. Keep schools open.
    2. Keep non covid health care open
    3. Minimize severe sickness and death.

    How would you achieve that yourself?


  • #3050
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Just actually looked into who is in NPHET, 32 members is a hefty group, id wonder how they vote and what's the ratio of the 32 making this recommendation.

    There is also a subgroup responsible for getting acute hospitals prepared for increase in admissions, what the heck have they been doing that our capacity has barely increased.

    I'm not anti NPHET whatsoever but would like a bit of clarity from them. It will be hard for the government to ignore a second recommendation from them at this point


  • #3051
    CountingCrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭CountingCrows


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    We can’t suck it up.people are dying. Cases are rising, out more health service will reach capacity

    Those FACTS can’t be just ‘sucked up’

    More people are dying from lockdown consequences than COVID


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  • #3052
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Gael23 wrote: »
    6 weeks seems excessive

    Melbourne peaked at 700 cases in 1 day, 18,000 cases since 15 June and they were in lockdown for 10 weeks with curfews and they had the advantage of coming into warmer weather to get numbers down into single digits.

    Once it’s out there it’s an absolute bastard to get rid of.


  • #3053
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    It's almost funny watching people here lap up the announcement to say it's only 6 weeks, or what we need is 4-6 weeks to 'save' Christmas.

    Firstly this notion of saving Christmas is bizarre. To save Christmas you're essentially sacrificing half of October, November and half of December. And probably all of January with the consequences. Why should we sacrifice at least 3 months of the year so people can have a piss up? Why can't we have ways to live with it rather than having a great time for a few weeks, by sacrificing a couple of months?

    Secondly, who here actually believes it will be 6 weeks? History says otherwise. Trust is completely gone. Wonder who leaked the letter this time, I'm sure its all governments fault..

    totally agree with that this save christmas is non sense its gone there wont be any normality.
    NPHET wont lower the restrictions for at least 3 months and many businesses will be totally destroyed (already seeing businesses closing with level4 been brought in )

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #3054
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    It's almost funny watching people here lap up the announcement to say it's only 6 weeks, or what we need is 4-6 weeks to 'save' Christmas.

    Firstly this notion of saving Christmas is bizarre. To save Christmas you're essentially sacrificing half of October, November and half of December. And probably all of January with the consequences. Why should we sacrifice at least 3 months of the year so people can have a piss up? Why can't we have ways to live with it rather than having a great time for a few weeks, by sacrificing a couple of months?

    Secondly, who here actually believes it will be 6 weeks? History says otherwise. Trust is completely gone. Wonder who leaked the letter this time, I'm sure its all governments fault..

    Well that’s another point. Is it cut and dry six weeks ? If it was then maybe there’d be more buy in from the public. If it’s six weeks minimum and we see the lay of the land as it were and tack on another couple of weeks people will start to slip and become lack. And that just a reality if we take the period from March till now as an example.


  • #3055
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    A balance that fills up our ICUS in October? Prior to the flu outbreak

    That’s not feasible
    Flu was non-existent in the southern hemisphere with social distancing.


  • #3056
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    We can’t suck it up.people are dying. Cases are rising, out more health service will reach capacity

    Those FACTS can’t be just ‘sucked up’

    There aren't a lot of people dying to be fair. No more than from other diseases. Your other points are fair enough but, if there are facts in the public domain about how close our health service is to capacity and how likely it is to be any more overwhelmed than any other winter, I haven't heard them.

    There is an argument for "sucking it up" like there is an argument for "locking down". Neither are good options but they are all we have or a balance between the two which is also a load of ****.


  • #3057
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Open letter from Pfizer chairman, third week in November a big week for the vaccine with submission for emergency approval to follow soon after

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/an_open_letter_from_pfizer_chairman_and_ceo_albert_bourla


  • #3058
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Latest epi date chart. Looks like we went over 1,000 cases per day on the 12th.

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  • #3059
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    Wonder who leaked the letter this time, I'm sure its all governments fault..
    A number of Government sources have confirmed details of the recommendations to RTÉ News

    I'm guessing Leo phoning up using multiple comical voices.

    .


  • #3060
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Balagan1 wrote: »
    Please explain it to me in simple terms. Who released info that NPHET recommended Level 5 for six weeks? I thought it was abundantly clear since the Level 5 leak recently that the only way we would know all or part of what NPHET had recommended to Gov when the Gov announced the parts of the recommendations that it was accepting and implementing.

    RTE has A number of Government sources have confirmed details of the recommendations to RTÉ News, so I guess the government.


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  • #3061
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    A balance that fills up our ICUS in October? Prior to the flu outbreak

    That’s not feasible

    It is feasible. Direct more money to ICUs and expand capacity to 2500. Then keep things open and let people live to even a basic degree? Are we all going to live our lives in this shadow for 5 years or just take our chances. I know what I'll be doing.


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