Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

LuckyLloyd · 16-10-2020 11:57AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

It's not necessarily a bad thing, and I don't think the majority of the country are against where we are now at L3, the strictest in Europe. It's why we have to go from this point into the nuclear level 5. Then we'll be by far the strictest in Europe and an outlier. Why should a country of our size ever be that much of an outlier (considering we're already one at L3). Should we not take somewhat of a lead from other European nations?

Hold on...are you saying our level 3 restrictions are strictest in Europe?

Harry Palmr · 16-10-2020 11:58AM

10 weeks to Christmas, so a six week lockdown from this weekend would still; leave month to go crazy with a credit card in the shops.

ZX7R · 16-10-2020 11:58AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

The deterioration in Poland is particularly surprising, looks like they may become the worst affected country in Europe given the trajectory of the last few days

4 points re Poland
The deaths from covid can be from as far back as 3 months.
They have new criteria for symptoms
They are using a new test rapid turn around time.
SCHOOLS are back exactly two weeks after they opened cases started to rise.
Weather more time been spent indoors

Itssoeasy · 16-10-2020 11:59AM

So there’s another push to go level 5 but can NPHET guarantee that that will actually work ? It’s one thing asking us to lockdown but is there any certainty(in as much as they can be certain) that it will do what it’s supposed to do ?

Boggles · 16-10-2020 11:59AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

10 weeks to Christmas, so a six week lockdown from this weekend would still; leave month to go crazy with a credit card.

We should had Christmas in July.

Would have been a rush for Santa, but fúck him he could do with moving his large arsé faster.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 11:59AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

HSE updated their website yesterday on how covid is spread. No mention of aerosol spread in unventilated rooms.

CDC and UK have acknowledged it. Why haven't we?

I'm seeing way too much emphasis on fomites with squeaky clean surfaces and not nearly enough on opening windows and doors. Eg retail - every till you go to has a perspex screen and a clean counter but other than that, not much heed to ventilation.

Goldrickssan · 16-10-2020 12:00PM

Expect a run on toystores

Hulk Hands · 16-10-2020 12:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cherry picking shill.. We wasted the summer in preparing this. We are in for a horrible few months.

A shill for who exactly? He's an independent economist who's spent years criticising Government decisions

Hulk Hands · 16-10-2020 12:01PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Hold on...are you saying our level 3 restrictions are strictest in Europe?

The charts been posted a couple of times in the last half an hour. Scroll back

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 12:01PM

Did anyone just here that on Claire Byrne.

The FG person just said about shin fein person...

"David is very good at wearing a mask"

Wow saucer of milk table six.

:pac:

alentejo · 16-10-2020 12:01PM

If we go to level 5 and the rest of Europe muddles on, this will cost Ireland a lot more money as we will need to borrow extra cash. It will also put a lot of Irish Companies at a completive disadvantage as they would be forced to close while Euro competitors would remain open. The impacts could be very long term.

The last time was easier as all of Europe was closed so no completive loss.

Drumpot · 16-10-2020 12:02PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You're putting all your eggs in the level 3 basket.

There's going to be a lot of disappointed Seamus-fans out there if you're wrong.

There is a huge presumption that all these models and calculations on the spread/growth of the virus are exact. They are not exact, they are not perfect, they are best guess. Why are people holding NEPHET figures to a rigid account and acting as though any decision made will lead to a guaranteed result ?

The truth is that regardless of what you think of NEPHET or any other countries strategy, we are not in control of this virus, we have to adapt to choke the spread. With numbers rising so quickly we have to be weeks ahead of the virus and unfortunately to date a strict lockdown is the only solution we have been able to use.

Regardless of your preference, not one person here or anywhere can say with certainty how the wintertime is going to effect the spread. Nobody knows how severe this might get and nobody knows if it might theoretically over run our hospitals. The time to act is well in advance, weeks in advance of this happening, not when your hospitals are being overrun.

Boggles · 16-10-2020 12:02PM

alentejo wrote: »

If we go to level 5 and the rest of Europe muddles on, this will cost Ireland a lot more money as we will need to borrow extra cash. It will also put a lot of Irish Companies at a completive disadvantage as they would be forced to close while Euro competitors would remain open. The impacts could be very long term.

The last time was easier as all of Europe was closed so no completive loss.

You need look at a graph, most of Europe is fúcked.

Away With The Fairies · 16-10-2020 12:02PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm seeing way too much emphasis on fomites with squeaky clean surfaces and not nearly enough on opening windows and doors. Eg retail - every till you go to has a perspex screen and a clean counter but other than that, not much heed to ventilation.

It's crazy how slow they are taking this. It should be about masks and ventilation. But companies are following HSE guidelines which all about distancing and cleaning. Madness.

mr_edge_to_you · 16-10-2020 12:02PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So there’s another push to go level 5 but can NPHET guarantee that that will actually work ? It’s one thing asking us to lockdown but is there any certainty(in as much as they can be certain) that it will do what it’s supposed to do ?

As health professionals, what other option do they have?

I think if we go to a level 5 for a few weeks we can work our way back provided the various levels from 4 to 1 are STRICTLY enforced. To be honest I think most of the country and economy will be ok at level 2 in the medium term.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 12:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Now we wait. I'm very interested to see Mehole's approach this week.

Nothing urgent by the looks of it. He's in Brussels until tonight and no plans for any sort of cabinet meeting today.

At a guess I'd say CMO will be hauled in by Leo and Martin Fraser along with the finance ministers

Eod100 · 16-10-2020 12:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Now we wait. I'm very interested to see Mehole's approach this week.

Seems Varadkar has more influence tbh

bk · 16-10-2020 12:03PM

brick tamland wrote: »

This is why I can see the government going any higher

Locking down and closing retail between now and Christmas will have huge long term consequences for jobs and the economy

They're will be some fudge to along retail to stay open. With very few cases linked to shopping i think its a sensible decision.

Which is exactly why we should have went to Level 5 two weeks ago. 4 weeks of Level 5 for the month of October, get the numbers down again and then Level 3 for November/December.

The longer the government wait, the more likely we will be in Level 5 for December and it lasting longer.

The Nal · 16-10-2020 12:04PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So there’s another push to go level 5 but can NPHET guarantee that that will actually work ? It’s one thing asking us to lockdown but is there any certainty(in as much as they can be certain) that it will do what it’s supposed to do ?

It'll work in the short term, then they'll ease restrictions, cases will rise again, then they'll have to have another lockdown and it will just go on like that.

So we can either accept this or they need to come up with another plan. EG the 30% of people who are at risk need to be identified and take action. The damage this is currently doing to the country is going to last for a decade. Could take a lot longer than 10 years to recover if we have to do this for another year.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 12:04PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's crazy how slow they are taking this. It should be about masks and ventilation. But companies are following HSE guidelines which all about distancing and cleaning. Madness.

Absolutely. Maddening how slow they are to update guidelines.

MarkY91 · 16-10-2020 12:05PM

Parabellum9 wrote: »

I'd even question what genuine medical reason exists that someone can't even wear a basic visor? The only one I can think of for not wearing a mask is having no ears but I hear this anxiety nonsense being bandied about as well - that's not a reason not to wear one and if they are that anxious about a mask, they should probably be more anxious about being in a crowded shop without one in the first place.

Oh yeah I'm 100% argeeing with you.

Imagine being a strong, grown adult and being such a pussy that you complain about having to wear a cloth over your mouth lol.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 16-10-2020 12:05PM

Level 5. No thanks. I'd imagine a lot of the country just want to get on with their lives. They must be joking with 6 weeks. Not a fear of it.

Away With The Fairies · 16-10-2020 12:06PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Absolutely. Maddening how slow they are to update guidelines.

They only updated their website yesterday. What was wrong that they couldn't admit to aerosol transmission then?

BringBackMick · 16-10-2020 12:07PM

The obsession with level 5 is obscene

You want them to shut the shops but people still bring their kids to school and childcare etc?

It is a load of crap.

We need to suck it up and live with covid not shutdown our country for 5 weeks , what a **** show this is

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 12:08PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They only updated their website yesterday. What was wrong that they couldn't admit to aerosol transmission then?

Given how long it took them to recommend face masks, we might have ventilation guidelines in time for the next coronavirus pandemic..

Itssoeasy · 16-10-2020 12:08PM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

As health professionals, what other option do they have?

I think if we go to a level 5 for a few weeks we can work our way back provided the various levels from 4 to 1 are STRICTLY enforced. To be honest I think most of the country and economy will be ok at level 2 in the medium term.

Fair point but it’s just if we lockdown for I think they said six weeks(that’s a long time in winter) what’s to say if we open up again before Christmas that by the start of the new year things will be going back the wrong way. People need to know that an action like this will have delaying effect. If nothing else for peoples mental health and well-being. People need something/sometime in the future to keep to.

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 12:08PM

MattS1 wrote: »

Level 5. No thanks. I'd imagine a lot of the country just want to get on with their lives. They must be joking with 6 weeks. Not a fear of it.

how long is necessary then, member of nphet?

reports the Government will "take the weekend to consider the recommendations"

Necro · 16-10-2020 12:09PM

I know this has been said repeatedly but without actually enforcing the restrictions as per the levels it isn't going to make any feasible difference.

Anyone that has been following the guidelines isn't the problem, they will continue to do so - crack down on those openly flouting the restrictions and maybe just maybe we can get this under control.

Vicxas · 16-10-2020 12:09PM

Tony has an awful hard on for Level 5 doesnt he.

mountgomery burns · 16-10-2020 12:09PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cherry picking shill.. We wasted the summer in preparing this. We are in for a horrible few months.

We were far laxer than other countries. We have far lower capacity in our hospitals. If I was working in a hospital I like to make him sit in the ward for half an hour without a mask if he thinks it's not a real problem. We don't have the capacity. No ICU capacity in cork. We were far lower than most countries during the summer.

You're wrong too look at it in that short a timeframe.

The overall effect on people's attitudes (fatigue etc), on businesses, on the negative effects of severe restrictions should be measured from the start.

It's clear that we already have the most stringent restrictions over that time. Your response is hysterical "sit in a hospital without a mask", that sort of childish nonsense has no place in a debate amongst adults.

He is right that other factors need to be considered, the expectation of the effect this will have on suppression needs to be considered, the exit plan for once we exit level 5 in 6 weeks needs to be considered, what will that look like and what does it depend on specifically so we know if we are on track for level 2 or level 3.

A level of certainty needs to be given in our approach. Absolutely, we have no idea what the prevalence of the disease will ultimately be at the beginning of December. But we can absolutely decide now what it needs to be to give us an outcome where close to all businesses are operating at level 2, or indeed where it needs to be even to get back to level 3.

At no stage in the last 8 months have we gotten that, and it's time now that NPHET and the Government decided on that to give people and businesses a chance to plan for those outcomes.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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