Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:13AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

It can take it's toll on anyone. When people hear vulnerable, they immediately assume you're old or have a life threatening underlying condition (as if that's some justification for being expendable)

I'm immune suppressed, so I take care when out and about for essentials etc...
I use to enjoy going to an exercise class, it got me out of the house twice a week and I had a routine and I felt good, lots of energy. But with all the restrictions, that has been cancelled the past 7 months.
They recently went ahead with a trial outdoor class in a shopping center car park and despite the weather, it went down well. I'm looking forward to the next one.

I've stopped watching RTE news and even using their website, it was just not good for my mental health. Every article is negative, they dig through all the stats to find the worst one and report it etc...

Even this thread can get very negative and toxic at times, a bit like many ones on here. The vaccine thread is a good one to read, it's pretty optimistic.
But try switch off for a few days, don't go grabbing your phone to see the latest case count etc... just put that at the back of your mind for a few days and you will feel better.

auspicious · 16-10-2020 12:18AM

Why the stress of waiting for a 'domestic' vaccine when we can just put an order in for Sputnik V? Has the media really eroded our confidence in rushed vaccines, or just Russia.
Surely not everyone needs to be vaccinated, just positives and contacts.
Are we just too good, or politicised to allow a Russian remedy?

polesheep · 16-10-2020 12:18AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

I've yet to meet anyone who believes that another human being is expendable. A lot of people, myself included, speak about the need to keep the world moving, and to do that, it seems necessary to ask vulnerable people to take particular care. In addition, statistics are thrown about, such as the median age of people who die from Covid. These statistics are just that - statistics. It's looking at the situation from a population-wide perspective. It's not personal. Every life is precious. I was about to write "Try not to get stressed" but I remembered that it is a nonsensical thing to say. Just continue to look after yourself and try to remember that everyone is stressed to some degree and trying to come to terms with this in their own way. It's become a popular thing to say "Do it for others" be it wearing a mask or staying at home, but it's very important to do things for yourself too. Don't be afraid to look after your own needs.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 16-10-2020 12:18AM

rusty cole wrote: »

take the square of your height in mtrs and divide it into your weight in KG's..
this is the universally accepted way according to my science book!

if you can pinch
more than an inch

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:21AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah ok I sympathise, I can see your motivation.

It’s Covid that’s the enemy, not people.

However I don’t expect those not at risk to withhold from their own lives.

Well, if the hospitals are completely overwhelmed, make sure you don’t get any kind of injury, develop any serious illness or anything like that as they won’t be able to cope.

The next while are going to be a case of a society running without the safety net of a functioning health service.

It also means a lot of people with problems or issues that could be normally fixed without difficulty won’t be: eye problems, ear problems, heart issues, agonising hips & knees and so on, are likely not to get treated as they’re all elective.

It means people putting up with unnecessary disability and all sorts of stuff.

The most important thing though to some seems to be to ensure their burden isn’t shared or in any way an inconvenience.

You’re talking about large numbers of people who are very much part of society, economically productive, socially involved and are likely tohave their longevity or ability to function at potential will be severely capped.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 12:22AM

Mark Vast Figurine wrote: »

if you can pinch
more than an inch

...It's time to get a younger woman?

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:23AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

There is an particularly ugly commentary that is running through certain discussions in relation to this pandemic. Almost as if the lives of certain people is expendable or their deaths would just be an unfortunate consequence.

You can easily see it when deaths are announced.
You see:
But when did they die?
Where they recent deaths?
How old where they?
Had they underlying conditions?
Did they die with or of covid etc..
The people asking know full well nobody on the thread can realistically answer those questions, they ask them to elicit a response and to get the conversation moving that covid is no big deal etc...
It's insensitive to the deceased, their family and friends and the healthcare staff who tried in vain to save them.

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:24AM

auspicious wrote: »

Why the stress of waiting for a 'domestic' vaccine when we can just put an order in for Sputnik V? Has the media really eroded our confidence in rushed vaccines, or just Russia.
Surely not everyone needs to be vaccinated, just positives and contacts.
Are we just too good, or politicised to allow a Russian remedy?

A vaccine is not a cure.

screamer · 16-10-2020 12:25AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

All of us in high risk categories are vulnerable Personally I’ve never let what other people think about me dictate my feelings of self worth, and neither should you. The best thing we can all do is look after ourselves, I have high quality Ppe masks, not those papery things. PPE protects me, and that’s who I care about. I have sanitizer with me when I’m out and about and I use it regularly. I also minimise my trips out to shops, avoid crowds etc. That might sound OTT but that’s what I do to look after me, cause you’re right, people really only care about themselves, and you need to do the same. Mind yourself, stay safe and remember the person who can protect you most is you.

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:29AM

screamer wrote: »

All of us in high risk categories are vulnerable Personally I’ve never let what other people think about me dictate my feelings of self worth, and neither should you. The best thing we can all do is look after ourselves, I have high quality Ppe masks, not those papery things. PPE protects me, and that’s who I care about. I have sanitizer with me when I’m out and about and I use it regularly. I also minimise my trips out to shops, avoid crowds etc. That might sound OTT but that’s what I do to look after me, cause you’re right, people really only care about themselves, and you need to do the same. Mind yourself, stay safe and remember the person who can protect you most is you.

It doesn’t impact my self worth. It’s shattered any illusions I had of solidarity though. Ireland’s clearly a lot more cut throat and heartless than I had imagined.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 12:32AM

440Hertz wrote: »

It doesn’t impact my self worth. It’s shattered any illusions I had of solidarity though. Ireland’s clearly a lot more cut throat and heartless than I had imagined.

Honestly, how can you say that when the country has been living with restrictions for about eight months in order to protect the vulnerable?

douglashyde · 16-10-2020 12:33AM

For those that care about the data, a new (peer reviewed) study published by the WHO. Here.

- Infection fatality rate is .23% on average & .05% for those <70. For context the regular flu has a mortality rate of .1%.

In any case a random person has a 431/1 chance of dying of COVID (IF you catch it). If you are <70 years of age, it's 2,000/1. Statistically Speaking.

The odds of dying of choking on food are 2600/1. Source.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is........ chew your damn food.

majcos · 16-10-2020 12:34AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It has to be, they went from 1-13 patients in 3 days.

I’m not sure that means an outbreak within the hospital. It could be that they are admitting four or five new patients a day with Covid that they contracted in community in last few days

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:35AM

screamer wrote: »

There is no solidarity in times like these, it’s everyone for themselves really, don’t let it get you down.

It does get me down. There’s no getting around that. I’ll just have a much more cynical view of a lot of people in future.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 12:37AM

440Hertz wrote: »

It does get me down. There’s no getting around that. I’ll just have a much more cynical view of a lot of people in future.

Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Arghus · 16-10-2020 12:37AM

440Hertz wrote: »

It does get me down. There’s no getting around that. I’ll just have a much more cynical view of a lot of people in future.

It can be depressing reading the thread at times - and this is one of the more thoughtful and sane ones. But I think it's boards, rather than society as a whole.

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:38AM

polesheep wrote: »

Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Or until he’s asked not to go to the pub for a few months and decides to throw you under a bus.

auspicious · 16-10-2020 12:38AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

A vaccine is not a cure.

True enough.

But if Sputnik V shows sustained results ( ignoring 1/7 side affects, which presumably we'll also see side affects in other vaccines) why shouldn't we use it we find a better solution?

polesheep · 16-10-2020 12:39AM

440Hertz wrote: »

Or until he’s asked not to go to the pub for a few months and decides to throw you under a bus.

Ok, your earlier post was obviously a Trojan horse. Good night.

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:40AM

majcos wrote: »

I’m not sure that means an outbreak within the hospital. It could be that they are admitting four or five new patients a day with Covid that they contracted in community in last few days

It would be a high number of admissions over a such a short space of time.
They had 9 positive patients in 2 days (which some people on here put down to testing in hospitals, as in current patients on a ward or turning up with a sprained ankle)
Anyway, it seems like a substantial increase none the less.

speckle · 16-10-2020 12:40AM

rusty cole wrote: »

take the square of your height in mtrs and divide it into your weight in KG's..
this is the universally accepted way according to my science book!

Absolutely right. I was gettimg mixed up necause at one stage the HSE at people at risk if they wete bmi 40+ ie morbid obsese but the uk chose a lower number. Just checked now both are on the same page regarding covid. thanks

obese Bmi 30
morbid obese 35bmi if you have heart issues like high bp or diabetes etc

morbid obese 40+ everyone else

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 12:42AM

polesheep wrote: »

Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

And certainly don’t walk in those shoes while trying to virtue signal

Pulsating Star · 16-10-2020 12:42AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmic issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

I developed this in December last, absolutely no issues previously then one day at work -Ambulance to A&E.
Now because I work in a building with Chinese students attending every day at the time I often wonder if this is something I have been left with as an asymptomatic after effect.
Most probably not but it has been the effect of Covid for some and it’s hard to get the suspicion out of my head

I find the condition scary.

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:43AM

auspicious wrote: »

True enough.

But if Sputnik V shows sustained results ( ignoring 1/7 side affects, which presumably we'll also see side affects in other vaccines) why shouldn't we use it we find a better solution?

All European drugs have to be approved by a European agency.
If the oxford vaccine gets EU approval, the US FDA won't just accept that, they will also need to approve it.
Oxford have offered to test their vaccine in the US, so the FDA can monitor it and approve it etc... I don't believe a Russian company have offered the same.

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 12:45AM

440Hertz wrote: »

It does get me down. There’s no getting around that. I’ll just have a much more cynical view of a lot of people in future.

Why would you be cynical exactly?

I’m struggling to understand your stance?

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:48AM

Pulsating Star wrote: »

I developed this in December last, absolutely no issues previously then one day at work -Ambulance to A&E..

This isn’t new in my case. It’s basically an electrical pathway issue in my heart. Have had it for years.

I would suggest getting that reviewed by a cardiologist.

majcos · 16-10-2020 12:50AM

speckle wrote: »

Out of interest whst sort of levels re oxygen would doctors like to see before discharging like for example 94% on a pulseoximeter or back up to 99% or does it vary?

It varies. Over 94% should be okay for discharge based on oxygen levels alone but that decision would not be made just on oxygen levels. May accept even lower oxygen levels if already chronically low but were stable. Could also admit/keep in hospital with oxygen levels of 100% depending on other factors.

Risk factors and a variety of clinical parameters taken into account including home and psychological and social situation.

440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:53AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why would you be cynical exactly?

I’m struggling to understand your stance?

Because I have heard multiple friends and colleagues of mine regurgitate the same libertarian line. We were doing the Zooming and trying to recreate the pub atmosphere thing once in a few weeks and it’s gone down the lines of “sure it’s only the elderly” or “it’s only those with underlying issues” - “It’s ridiculous that the rest of us have to put up with all of these restrictions - it’s only the flu.”

I explained the risks I had & they quite literally didn’t give a flying ——.

I got an earful about why life was about risk and sure we all die sometime.

So that’s why I’ve become cynical and it’s continuously coming up as a theme here, on Twitter and elsewhere.

There comes a point when you just start to feel you’re being told over and over that you’re in the way / expendable. That’s where I am right now on this.

frank8211 · 16-10-2020 01:00AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Illona Duffy from Monaghan is one. Never off the radio now.

she is good though. She nails one of the 2 culprits on the head. The football

speckle · 16-10-2020 01:01AM

polesheep wrote: »

Honestly, how can you say that when the country has been living with restrictions for about eight months in order to protect the vulnerable?

Are we really protected? most people like the gaa volunteers back at work, special shopping hours gone, transport full of tourists over the summer, high risk people services decimated, 4 different carers for one person incressing the risk, food prices increasing, esb recently increased, if high risk on meds but under 60 still had to pay 2 euros pscrip charge/formites. Surving on c200 euro a week. sub standard housing no room for carer overnight, having to beg nesrly at times for medical deviced, councils not letting you work from home. Alone a lot of the time, most disabled people cant afford a car to drive let alone the insurance so access to family limited. crying out for 40 people to drive cancer patients to hospital in the southwest. no funding/fundraising shortfall st johns of god closing. Unable to socialise,people having to put off college this year. disabled people abused up on diblin for non mask wearing. But the worse is being treated like we are dumb with no brains and not asked by the government what they want. Depressed because they know the will be hit the hardest again if a recession follows covid. Mental health issues being laughed off with get a grip. And a lot cant afford the tech they need to cmmunocate...

Just some of the thoughts I have heard from friends recently. Who are never the less thankful of the Irish people support last spring :)but the government is.....unprintable:mad:

Edit:I would rather others live life, then at least I would get to hear what they are up to thats new and excited than only I am unemployed now and life is boring. And dont worry we will catch up with you when this is over as we know how to pack alot into a sometimes limited or short life.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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