Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Dickie10 · 15-10-2020 11:43PM

440Hertz wrote: »

When you think about it, we lived through a golden age of relative peace, health and prosperity. It’s hard to get my head around how serious this mess is.

Hopefully, the vaccines work and provide a path out of it, but we are looking at a level of disruption that hasn’t been seen in modern societies since the end of WWII. At least it’s just a virus and not a savage war caused by nasty human behaviour and we have strong global cooperation, good technology and supply chains have been able to tick over, but it’s still a level of disruption to social and economic life that we have no modern experience of, nor could we, any of us, have expected to plan for.

It is very head wrecking though. I’m sort of seeing it like grieving for a normality lost. A lot of us are pragmatists and just get on with it, some of us aren’t and are probably in the anger and denial phase, which probably explains the buy in to conspiracy theories by people who might normally be fairly sensible.

The reality of it is this could go on for 2 to 3 years, a prospect that I find really stressful to contemplate, but we also need to plan and face reality.

Biology is fascinating, but it’s brutal.

its looking that way, perhaps set the world back 30 years, poverty will be massive, wars will reerupt the north im thinking. we could be back to the dark ages, money will only last so long with low intrest rates, this is heading to a proper depression 1930s stuff. what exactly does irish society do when the government can only pay 120 euro a week in dole etc? i guess it looks like we never did have it so good, this came to mind even before covid19 watching reeling in the years 2002-08. crazily easy living stuff, the 08 recession did dampen things but Brexit/trump/extreme politics defintley shattered those 02-14 eaasy living times. perhaps this is our generation of 1930-45 era or maybe 1914-19. paradise lost.

of course i guess there is another way out. a hard choice, red pill/blue pill. let the virus run free...

speckle · 15-10-2020 11:43PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

2020 goes from worse to worser

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40065815.html

Blast...I was posting earlier in the year not to go near dolphins on soc. media didn't want covid to jump species or choke on discarded masks. Hopefully he is just hiding from all the madness or maybe he just misses our smiles.:)

Qiaonasen · 15-10-2020 11:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're not a fan of the ol' Chinese so are ya

Absolutely not. I spent four years in China working there. It is a morally bankrupt, dystopian, polluted ruinscape with Third Reich overtones.. The culture there is very difficult to stomach. The lying, the cheating, the saving face, the Communist Party, the brainwashing and the propaganda. I am happy I left. It was interesting and fun for a year or two for sure and I met some interesting people there and there is nice nature but the hive mind of the place drives me mad.

What pissed me off a lot was my colleagues would sit in the office from 9am to 9pm or until the boss left the office. They wouldn't do anything and sleep and arse around on WeChat all day but that's whats expected. They gave me **** for doing my job and leaving at 6pm and trying to enjoy my life.

For a lot of Chinese people existence is dreadful. You spend 12 hours a day at work 6 days a week and then have to go home and play happy families often with partners who are only with you because you have a house and car and money or status and your parents chose them for you. All about face. Under the surface the place is dysfunctional.

Akabusi · 15-10-2020 11:44PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

2020 goes from worse to worser

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40065815.html

Don't worry they'll find another replacement.

majcos · 15-10-2020 11:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's probably different patients going in to the ones leaving. The one Siobhán ní Bhriain, live integrated care lead with NPHET said covid patients have an average stay of 20 days.

The length of stay seems to be shortening except for ICU. ICU lengths of stay for Covid seem to be longer than for influenzas and other pneumonias.

Stheno · 15-10-2020 11:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The future is not looking all that bright is it?

Lock down, open up. Lock down open up.

Sometimes I wish I were in China where my mate is in the Diplomatic Sector in Bejing. I totally understand that it is a different regime, but he and his family are doing OK now. Few restrictions apart from masks really.

I am a bit more positive tbh I do think we'll get a vaccine, and slowly we'll get back to normal

15-10-2020 11:45PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im not sure can Covid ever be compared to a war where young fit men were sent as cannon fodder in the trenches.

Let’s remember who is vulnerable to Covid

The people who served in the last world war, what's left of them and those here in Ireland who paid for your education and health care in the main and a few of your contemporaries.

15-10-2020 11:45PM

somebody answer me this.

If we have 3000 cases per day for the next 12 months.. that's 1,092,000 cases!!
That's 22% of the population only have had it.. in one year with 3000 cases per day.

what do we do then if there's no vaccine?? to all the people shouting for lockdowns?? I'd stop putting all my eggs in that Vaccine basket and start thinking outside the box because our jobs wont last!!

RGARDINR · 15-10-2020 11:45PM

El Sueño wrote: »

You mean there might never be one?

I ask because nobody has ever mentioned this before.

Basically I have said it b4 on this forum it's 50/50 there may be one or may never be one. So in a years time will they be saying next year or then again we may all be lining up to get a vaccine. But the way I look at it there isn't one now and possible may never be one so I want to see a plan in regards to this happening if that's the case. Can you imagine doing this still in a years time or 5 years time if not one.

Qiaonasen · 15-10-2020 11:46PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Source for that please?

It hasn't been proven to work in phase 3 trials.

speckle · 15-10-2020 11:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Only started inputting the numbers and bakc to 10/10/2020 do you have an idea when they may have been added i can then go back through the files and check

I will try do some more rooting over the weekend for the original info I saw/read and get back to you. thanks

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 11:46PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

Basically. Ha don't know if I would be rushing out to get one from good old vlad or from the Chinese. But sure will wait and see. My point is there may never be a vaccine for this and we can't live like this forever. When do people think realistically when we will have to go back to normal as much as before. 6 mths? A year? 5 years? Say this time next year still no vaccine would you imagine we're still living like this? I hope not I hope as hell there is a vaccine but I think they should come out down the line and have a proper plan in place stating this is what the plan is if there never is a vaccine. Its 50/50 at the end of the day, there either will be one or won't be one and nobody can say which way it will fall on.

That's fair enough, if you don't trust the Chinese with it being safe etc...
personally I'd feel more comfortable with a European approved vaccine.
But it's incorrect to say there's never going to be a Covid vaccine, when 6 currently exist (approved in China and Russia)

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 11:48PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's probably different patients going in to the ones leaving. The one Siobhán ní Bhriain, live integrated care lead with NPHET said covid patients have an average stay of 20 days.

I respect her a lot, she just answers the questions, no dancing about, she gets right to the point. However, even during the first wave, the average covid patient that didn't need ICU care, was discharged within 6 days. I don't know where she got 20 from.

polesheep · 15-10-2020 11:49PM

Poorside wrote: »

How many GP's have been paraded by the media?

Dr Favier from NPHET. She's the GP rep, not an immunologist, virologist or epidemiologist, yet she speaks as though she were one.

15-10-2020 11:49PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That's fair enough, if you don't trust the Chinese with it being safe etc...
personally I'd feel more comfortable with a European approved vaccine.
But it's incorrect to say there's never going to be a Covid vaccine, when 6 currently exist (approved in China and Russia)

It's funny isn't it, the variola which caused smallpox was actually well treated by variolation, by the Chinese and it worked very well...

They have a knack for that kind of thing, maybe too much of a knack eh...:eek:

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 11:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

I am a bit more positive tbh I do think we'll get a vaccine, and slowly we'll get back to normal

Like the positivity. Wish it was told to us all. But you know yourself.

15-10-2020 11:53PM

polesheep wrote: »

Dr Favier from NPHET. She's the GP rep, not an immunologist, virologist or epidemiologist, yet she speaks as though she were one.

100% why are we listening to someone with no more credentials than leo the liar as a GP..

If I have an problem with specific civil engineering, I'll ask a Dutchman, not a bog standard engineer!! you need somebody who specializes in that kind of thing.

would she think to lecture anyone about schizophrenia?? it's a disease isn't it??
Bull****, she has no dog in this fight..get off the stage and stop trying to carve a profile for yourself..

speckle · 15-10-2020 11:54PM

majcos wrote: »

Yes. Obesity seems to be the strongest risk factor after age in many studies.

There is some difference between the rates of obesity in Ireland versus UK although figures for both countries vary a bit according to the source of information so it’s hard to know how significant the difference is.

Only 40% of Irish are of normal weight as per HSE data. 37% are overweight and the remaining 23% obese. In UK 28.7% classed as obese with further 35.6% overweight.

Don't the classification differ in both countries re obese and morbidly obese?

polesheep · 15-10-2020 11:55PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Oh really, sh1t. I thought it was mostly one or two nighter patients.

There are those too. Twenty days average includes patients that have been months in ICU.

blowitupref · 15-10-2020 11:56PM

majcos wrote: »

235 in hospital, up from 214 last night but stable compared to figures over last few days.

Numbers in hospital stable in Donegal and Cavan with Galway having highest number of confirmed hospitalised cases in last 24 hours.

29 in ICU, one death in ICU last 24 hours.
36 available ICU beds across the country.

Edit : Note seems there was an error in Connolly hospital figure last night so total admissions may not have dipped to 214.

A bit of outbreak in Galway hospital? For ages they were at 1 to 3 cases.

15-10-2020 11:56PM

speckle wrote: »

Don't the classification differ in both countries re obese and morbidly obese?

take the square of your height in mtrs and divide it into your weight in KG's..
this is the universally accepted way according to my science book!

RGARDINR · 15-10-2020 11:57PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That's fair enough, if you don't trust the Chinese with it being safe etc...
personally I'd feel more comfortable with a European approved vaccine.
But it's incorrect to say there's never going to be a Covid vaccine, when 6 currently exist (approved in China and Russia)

Here is hoping, I just would like a plan in place in case there isn't one as we can't live like this forever. If there is a vaccine that the government says is good to go ha throw the plan out the window as we're all good to go then and I would be happy to be in line for it.

s1ippy · 16-10-2020 12:00AM

majcos wrote: »

The length of stay seems to be shortening except for ICU. ICU lengths of stay for Covid seem to be longer than for influenzas and other pneumonias.

She said that just last week.

polesheep wrote: »

There are those too. Twenty days average includes patients that have been months in ICU.

Excellent point actually, but it still highlights the fact that the length of stay can be as little as a day or two or as long as months, indefinitely, or until you kak it.

Wolf359f · 16-10-2020 12:01AM

blowitupref wrote: »

A bit of outbreak in Galway hospital? For ages they were at 1 to 3 cases.

It has to be, they went from 1-13 patients in 3 days.

frank8211 · 16-10-2020 12:02AM

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440Hertz · 16-10-2020 12:02AM

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

speckle · 16-10-2020 12:03AM

majcos wrote: »

Yes. The most time a doctor probably spends with a patient is at the point of admission and then on day of discharge doing paperwork, writing prescriptions if needed, giving discharge advice, answering questions about follow up and discussing things to watch out for. If sent home with oxygen monitoring, more patient education is needed. In between it can be just a quick check in to see how things are progressing while monitoring blood pressure, temperature testing etc and reviewing blood results. A doctor may not actually need to spend very long with patient themselves especially if diagnosis is made on first day and improving.

Similarly for nurses, there is a lot of admission and discharge paperwork and patient education and advice with each discharge. Added to that rooms have to be deep cleaned between patients. Administrative/secretarial work with each admission and discharge too.

As I mentioned before, more patients are being managed as outpatients now even those with symptoms that are quite significant once their vitals are stable and oxygen levels satisfactory. That reduces admissions and creates hospital beds and helps limit exposure of other patients and staff but adds to other parts of workload in a hospital.

Out of interest whst sort of levels re oxygen would doctors like to see before discharging like for example 94% on a pulseoximeter or back up to 99% or does it vary?

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 12:08AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

Ah ok I sympathise, I can see your motivation.

It’s Covid that’s the enemy, not people.

However I don’t expect those not at risk to withhold from their own lives.

Fuascailteoir · 16-10-2020 12:11AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I definitely can’t just keep going on like this for years. I’m stressed beyond stressed at the moment and I can keep an upbeat attitude for so long.

Sorry if it sounds depressing but I just find people are being utterly unrealistic.

When anyone suggests that they’re concerned because they’re vulnerable to this thing, they’re slapped down or told they’re expendable by people on this and other forums.

Try getting through this knowing you’ve a cardiac arrhythmia issue & high BP.

I work my ass off trying to ensure I stay fit, but I’m in the expendable class of those with underlying issues, who you all imagine are fat and lazy. I can’t make those issues go away. I wish I could but I can’t and they’re not lifestyle related.

There is an particularly ugly commentary that is running through certain discussions in relation to this pandemic. Almost as if the lives of certain people is expendable or their deaths would just be an unfortunate consequence.

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 12:13AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

There is an particularly ugly commentary that is running through certain discussions in relation to this pandemic. Almost as if the lives of certain people is expendable or their deaths would just be an unfortunate consequence.

Which absolutely disgustingly has been the narrative since time began.

The question is however, why is it different now?

Where does reality stop, and Tír na nÓg begin?

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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